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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
2229
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Posted - 2014.06.06 15:43:00 -
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Greetings test pilots,
Singularity is going offline for the weekend! As of some time this afternoon, we will be taking it down and running some database scripts to prepare for the first build of what will become the Industry release of Crius. We would like to thank you for all your diligent and forthright issue reporting and feedback over the Kronos release ramp-up, which resulted in one of the smoothest deployments and fallout periods in recent memory. Please note that the extended downtime of Sisi in no way reflects the downtime we will expect when Crius launches on TQ.
Some inevitable FAQs:
Will there be a new mirror?
Yes there will, but we are not sure of the exact timing of it yet. It is likely to occur in the next few weeks though, and given the nature of mirroring, we will be broadcasting it with as much lead time as possible.
Will you be giving out Industry skills?
We have no plans to give out skills at this time. Due to the nature of the changes, giving everyone level V in skills would definitely lessen the testing imprint we are hoping to get. That being said, at some point in development this may change. Mass tests will run as usual and SP will be awarded through them.
Will there be any changes to the market seeding?
No changes are planned to the market seeding for this Sisi rotation.
Will there be a place to see what's on Sisi?
A forum thread will go up on Tuesday next week (10th June) with all the pertinent details, and will be updated if/when more stuff hits the server, as well as broadcasting comm.
Thanks, Goliath CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath |
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Vivi Udan
Multiplex Gaming The Bastion
34
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Posted - 2014.06.06 15:48:00 -
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Chances are this is either going to be much better or much worse than the original proposed industry changes
...guess we'll find out Soon/SoonGäó The Mittani of House GoonWaffe,-áFirst of His name, King of the Goons and VFK,-áMaster of griefing,-áLord of the CFC, Warden of the West,-áand Protector of Deklein. |
Max Kolonko
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
419
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Posted - 2014.06.06 15:50:00 -
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When do you expect crius to be online on sisi? Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff? |
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CCP RubberBAND
CCP Engineering Corp CCP Engineering Alliance
338
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Posted - 2014.06.06 15:53:00 -
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Max Kolonko wrote:When do you expect crius to be online on sisi?
If everything goes as expected, then on the 10th of June, together with an accompanying thread.
Feel free to poke me on: Twitter |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
2230
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Posted - 2014.06.06 15:56:00 -
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Vivi Udan wrote: Instead of giving people level 5 skills, what about the option of level 3 skills for guys like me who did not feel like manufacturing/researching/etc was worth training into [based on the current setup]?
It runs into the same issue of everyone testing the same thing, so we don't get a spread. If we offered this, noone would test very low level stuff, which is also very important. CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath |
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Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1447
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Posted - 2014.06.06 16:06:00 -
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a part of the industry changes is that slot costs depend on the usage of a single system compared to economy at large. Another part of that calculation is the market value of stuff.
how exactly do you plan to reflect that on SiSi ? GRRR Goons |
MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
341
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Posted - 2014.06.06 16:09:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Will there be any changes to the market seeding?
No changes are planned to the market seeding for this Sisi rotation. How would you prefer us to report suspected market seeding errors?
Also, am I mistaken in my expectation that T1 rigs should be a seeded item?
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W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
249
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Posted - 2014.06.06 16:19:00 -
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Could you add another port for sisi like 3724 for tq in the process? |
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CCP Nullarbor
C C P C C P Alliance
709
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Posted - 2014.06.06 16:34:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:a part of the industry changes is that slot costs depend on the usage of a single system compared to economy at large. Another part of that calculation is the market value of stuff.
how exactly do you plan to reflect that on SiSi ?
The job cost calculations on this first round of testing will not be accurate for the reasons you mention.
We will do a mirror in a couple of weeks with activity calculated from TQ data which will be a decent starting point and an indication of what pricing will look like day 1 on TQ.
However the material / time / skill calculations etc will be accurate so we can get testing on all of that underway next week. CCP Nullarbor //-áExotic Dancer-á// DEVGIFS |
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Ripard Teg
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
906
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Posted - 2014.06.06 16:46:00 -
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Will Duality be going up for the weekend so tournament teams can practice? Jester's Trek: wherein I ramble about EVE Online, gaming, and from time to time... life. |
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Theon Severasse
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
70
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Posted - 2014.06.06 16:56:00 -
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It seems very shortsighted to shut the server down over the weekend IMO.
With AT coming up, many teams are going to be wanting to start to practice, and given that most people have weekends off it's quite easy to coordinate times (given that people live in different timezones).
Not to mention the fact that all the ships that have been put together for practicing will then get wiped.
The sooner Duality can be released the better. |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2384
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Posted - 2014.06.06 17:01:00 -
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Are the changes as per the initial dev blogs? -á --á |
Andrew Curtin
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
6
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Posted - 2014.06.06 17:03:00 -
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Theon Severasse wrote:It seems very shortsighted to shut the server down over the weekend IMO.
With AT coming up, many teams are going to be wanting to start to practice, and given that most people have weekends off it's quite easy to coordinate times (given that people live in different timezones).
Not to mention the fact that all the ships that have been put together for practicing will then get wiped.
The sooner Duality can be released the better.
+1
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CCP Nullarbor
C C P C C P Alliance
710
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Posted - 2014.06.06 17:07:00 -
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Theon Severasse wrote:It seems very shortsighted to shut the server down over the weekend IMO.
With AT coming up, many teams are going to be wanting to start to practice, and given that most people have weekends off it's quite easy to coordinate times (given that people live in different timezones).
Not to mention the fact that all the ships that have been put together for practicing will then get wiped.
The sooner Duality can be released the better.
Yes we know it is bad timing, but we have some long running database prep work to do before we can bring it back up and obviously testing releases takes priority over tournament practice.
We will not be wiping anything when it comes back on Tuesday, however you can expect a wipe in around 2 weeks time.
EDIT: Practice server IS being setup but it won't be ready this weekend unfortunately http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/alliance-tournament-xii-practice-server-information CCP Nullarbor //-áExotic Dancer-á// DEVGIFS |
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Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Black Core Alliance
1506
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Posted - 2014.06.06 17:14:00 -
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Any chance we can get some early versions of the sde and possibly Apis to test third party programs? Quite a lot of changes coming that I'd like to work on before launch. GÇ£Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do. GÇ¥ - Dale Carnegie
Maximze your Industry Potential! - Download EVE Isk per Hour! |
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CCP Nullarbor
C C P C C P Alliance
710
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Posted - 2014.06.06 17:18:00 -
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Zifrian wrote:Any chance we can get some early versions of the sde and possibly Apis to test third party programs? Quite a lot of changes coming that I'd like to work on before launch.
APIs + SDE are still being worked on but we will have more information on that next week hopefully. CCP Nullarbor //-áExotic Dancer-á// DEVGIFS |
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
3118
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Posted - 2014.06.06 17:44:00 -
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June 10th first iteration is loaded on Sisi. July 22nd it is to go live on TQ.
42 days, 6 weeks.
Apochrypha was at least 6 weeks on Sisi before it went live, with multiple iterations that wiped the slate clean several times, and this industry overhaul touches far more game mechanics than Apochrypha does (yes, I am aware that 2500 new systems, new rats, new modular ships, totally new industrial chains were added).
There will be no way to test some of the longer term trending mechanics of Crius until they hit TQ.
This is not going to end well. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5367
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Posted - 2014.06.06 21:10:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:This is not going to end well.
Things will go wrong, some things will break unexpectedly. That's the nature of software development.
You can help reduce the number of things going wrong by getting on Singularity when it's launched. Of course you'll also need to report any bugs you find, rather than keeping the details to yourself and your economic cabal. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Varesk
Carried Hate
580
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Posted - 2014.06.06 22:02:00 -
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totally happy about this. cant wait to try out the new Off Button for Tool Tips.
GJ CCP! |
Orny
Shipping Corporation Global ANZUS
7
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Posted - 2014.06.06 23:13:00 -
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Tks for the update - looking forward to the changes next week, in the meantime mining, mining, mining on TQ |
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Igras Saisima
Nexus Fleet Inc. Nulli Secunda
0
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Posted - 2014.06.07 01:03:00 -
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Will the domi changes be implemented as well? (http://i.imgur.com/RSpmQ7a.png) |
Greygal
Redemption Road Affirmative.
212
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Posted - 2014.06.07 02:57:00 -
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I love you. What you do for yourself dies with you, what you do for others is immortal.
Free public roams! Visit http://www.redemption-road.com or join mailing list REDEMPTION ROAMS for more information! |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
3126
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Posted - 2014.06.07 14:38:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:This is not going to end well. Things will go wrong, some things will break unexpectedly. That's the nature of software development. You can help reduce the number of things going wrong by getting on Singularity when it's launched. Of course you'll also need to report any bugs you find, rather than keeping the details to yourself and your economic cabal.
I have in the past, and will do so again, even though I got out of the industry game some time ago.
But bottom line, something as complex and far-reaching as this should be tested over a longer period of time, before going hot. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
649
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Posted - 2014.06.07 18:26:00 -
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Finally, a server test I can meaningfully take part in. After slagging the proposed changes off for the last few weeks, that is. |
Station Sitter
Heavy Star Industries
2
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Posted - 2014.06.08 04:04:00 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:Gilbaron wrote:a part of the industry changes is that slot costs depend on the usage of a single system compared to economy at large. Another part of that calculation is the market value of stuff.
how exactly do you plan to reflect that on SiSi ? The job cost calculations on this first round of testing will not be accurate for the reasons you mention. We will do a mirror in a couple of weeks with activity calculated from TQ data which will be a decent starting point and an indication of what pricing will look like day 1 on TQ. However the material / time / skill calculations etc will be accurate so we can get testing on all of that underway next week.
Any chance you can keep it updated nightly to what TQ has, with additional load on the systems as determined by SISI values? I know it would be a slight pain to setup, but would be better for testing.
Alternately, being able to have certain systems setup to be at certain levels of use to simulate 0 to completely overloaded, would be much better for testing purposes I think, since we aren't going to get the kind of industrial load on SISI that we will get on TQ
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Olivia Berett
AEB Fleeting Services AEB Industrial Assembly
6
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Posted - 2014.06.08 09:04:00 -
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It would be nice to do something I always wondered about but never actually saw happening: Industry/trade Mass Test.
That would solve the problem of predictable testing, and maybe improve the big picture of the impact of the changes. |
elitatwo
Congregatio
233
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Posted - 2014.06.08 10:15:00 -
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Olivia Berett wrote:It would be nice to do something I always wondered about but never actually saw happening: Industry/trade Mass Test.
That would solve the problem of predictable testing, and maybe improve the big picture of the impact of the changes.
Translation:
Nullsec buff good
Highsec nerf gooder(er) signature |
hellswindstaff
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.06.08 15:31:00 -
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industry changes.......yawn........a factory cant shoot anything.. |
Rajeet Achmar
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
40
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Posted - 2014.06.08 15:49:00 -
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CCP my Hel pls.
Guess I can start building another :/ |
Samuel Slade
Atomic Heroes The G0dfathers
1
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Posted - 2014.06.09 09:21:00 -
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Rajeet Achmar wrote:CCP my Hel pls.
Guess I can start building another :/ it is a real pain i will probably lose 3 titan builds because of this and a couple nyx builds |
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