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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1673
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Posted - 2011.11.18 16:10:00 -
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the whole reason is that jita is going to be ******* bare of gallente isotopes soon :sun:
also we got to do some hella insider trading but really just shutting down every gallente pos in EVE without shooting a single structure is a masterpiece worthy of doing this alone
we do not mine |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1673
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Posted - 2011.11.18 16:12:00 -
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like seriously think it through: I could mine for a month straight, or I could buy billions worth of oxygen isotopes before we murder every mack in gallente space and sell now that the price has tripled, making way more money and letting me spend the money dropping brutixes on everything
what one sounds like more fun to you |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
27
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Posted - 2011.11.18 16:13:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:the whole reason is that jita is going to be ******* bare of gallente isotopes soon :sun:
also we got to do some hella insider trading but really just shutting down every gallente pos in EVE without shooting a single structure is a masterpiece worthy of doing this alone
we do not mine
ha ha ha. Wouldn't have anything to do with Gallente caps being the most deployed cap would it? Out of curiosity, what about you? As you stated you don't mine. So how ya going to keep you stuff online? |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
27
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Posted - 2011.11.18 16:15:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:like seriously think it through: I could mine for a month straight, or I could buy billions worth of oxygen isotopes before we murder every mack in gallente space and sell now that the price has tripled, making way more money and letting me spend the money dropping brutixes on everything
what one sounds like more fun to you
I recommend you do what ever makes you happy |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1673
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Posted - 2011.11.18 16:16:00 -
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for some reason goonswarm decided to buy a metric fuckton of oxygen isotopes before goonswarm began interdicting all gallente ice (and also we use every tower but gallente) so i think we'll be ok
wonderful coincidence, that
gallente caps being the most deployed did factor into the target select yes (and rorquals) |
IIIAsharakIII
GR3Y N0MADS
5
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Posted - 2011.11.18 16:18:00 -
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Personally I think this is a great idea, moving ice to low sec and 0.0
It really might make the game better.
Here's my theory:
Highsec space can be reduced of materials on the basis of scarcity. For whatever reason, the 4 big empires of the eve universe have decided to reduce pod pilot access to their most secure resources. In conjunction with this, new ore and ice belts would have to be created for low sec and 0.0, with a initial bonus of materials in low, followed by a massive bonus of materials in 0.0.
This is not just some NERF to highsec and leaving the rest as is. Every piece of materials removed from high sec should be put back into low sec and 0.0. This means: -More ice belts, LOTS MORE. Enough so that people can stake various claims and war over the profits, not the resource. -Ice exploration: Comets anyone? -New Asteroid Belt system: How about some real asteroid fields huh? Like say, fifteen thousand kilometers across. Just big enough for both the predator and the prey to hunt and evade in a more realistic environment.
This would allow all kinds of corporations to stake their claims all along the sandbox. High sec can still be a home for starter corps and beginning players, and mission runners (since the profession is rather singular), and high sec POSes too. But, in order for a player to really get the satisfaction from industry and production, they'll have to integrate into the sandbox and work with various other professionals in their respective fields to accomplish their goals. |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
240
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Posted - 2011.11.18 16:33:00 -
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I think the threat to the end of all research towers and wh living was enough to make sure ccp never did this.
Unless people want the days of ol where tech 3 ships were 1 billion for the hull and 100-500 mill for each subsystem. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
342
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Posted - 2011.11.18 16:38:00 -
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well
if a DEV replies you'll have an answer if no DEV replies you'll still have your answer
winning! The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2011.11.18 16:39:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:
ole source of ice and high-end minerals For further discussion. Nullsec should be the only place we're injecting (at least some of the) ices, zydrine, megacyte and morphite into the game. This ensures that nullsec mining retains a unique value proposition, and guarantees that mining time for these types is priced according the risk and effort involved in nullsec extraction.
see the bolded part... why is it always an all or none prospect here?
Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Cipher Jones
113
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Posted - 2011.11.18 16:42:00 -
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Shivus Tao wrote:It would be nice even if the initial redistribution is just temporary. The systems with terrible sec status and thus not worth putting military upgrades in need something to make them actually worth holding and populating.
Ice is worth **** all. You get less than 20 mil an hour mining it. If the value of it tripled, you would still make less than running level 4 missions in hisec.
Even if the value of ice more than tripled, the inflation it would cause would still make hisec more profitable than mining ice. To use Ice as bait to get people to move is absofuckinglutely ********, and CCP knows it.
The reason it was suggested in the first place was because the goons wanted it. When they didn't get what they wanted they started ganking miners to inflate the price of ice and PLEX.
Eve 101.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1675
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Posted - 2011.11.18 16:44:00 -
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Richard Hammond II wrote: Yes, you have bots to do that for you.
if i wanted to run a bot i'd run something way more profitable than a ******* ice mining bot |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1675
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Posted - 2011.11.18 16:45:00 -
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just as ice miners are the lowliest pesants of the eve player universe, so too are ice mining bots the lowliest bots of the eve bot universe |
Cipher Jones
113
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Posted - 2011.11.18 16:50:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Richard Hammond II wrote: Yes, you have bots to do that for you.
if i wanted to run a bot i'd run something way more profitable than a ******* ice mining bot
Most of your alliance does.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1675
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Posted - 2011.11.18 16:54:00 -
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goonswarm has engaged in the most vigorious anti-highsec bot campaign in, well, forever and suddenly we have highsec pubbies crawling out of the woodwork to decry us as evil botters
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
terribly sorry about your ice bot cipher jones |
Cipher Jones
113
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Posted - 2011.11.18 16:59:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:goonswarm has engaged in the most vigorious anti-highsec bot campaign in, well, forever and suddenly we have highsec pubbies crawling out of the woodwork to decry us as evil botters
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
terribly sorry about your ice bot cipher jones
Show me the killmail ill contract you a plex.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
27
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Posted - 2011.11.18 17:00:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:goonswarm has engaged in the most vigorious anti-highsec bot campaign in, well, forever and suddenly we have highsec pubbies crawling out of the woodwork to decry us as evil botters
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
terribly sorry about your ice bot cipher jones
You can't say somebody like ilusive or elusive illsuive, (Uhm you know, the guy mentioned in Eve Vegas)and his isk acquisition methods are not questionable at best. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
855
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Posted - 2011.11.18 17:06:00 -
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ice miners are evil, they supply our fascist enemies with fuel to run their war machine against our noble socialist empire of free rifters, scimitars, maelstroms and erebuseseses
ice miners will continue to die for their crimes |
Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club Care Factor
4
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Posted - 2011.11.18 17:17:00 -
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Why can't we just mine ice moons / ice planets for ice?
It'd get rid of the least interesting and least profitable profession in eve... Just add it as another PI thing you can do and it'll be cool... As ice. "Have you had your morning coffee?" -> the Coffee Lovers Brewing Club is recruiting! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
855
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Posted - 2011.11.18 17:18:00 -
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Because it makes sense |
Karadion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
266
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Posted - 2011.11.18 18:13:00 -
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Dr Karsun wrote:Why can't we just mine ice moons / ice planets for ice?
It'd get rid of the least interesting and least profitable profession in eve... Just add it as another PI thing you can do and it'll be cool... As ice. With the terrible ideas that CCP has regarding PI, don't give them any more ideas. Interbus? Just terrible. |
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Jenshae Chiroptera
195
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Posted - 2011.11.19 11:42:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:They should put ice in W-space with outposts and moon goo. Then we can forget about null sec completely, big waste of space, good dumping ground for some types of players. TBH i'm not sure there are belts in worm space as I am not a resident of worm space. But I mean I don't see how that could be too far fetched to put ice in worm space, as it is a 00 system.
Yes, we have grav sites, everything except for PI needs to be scanned. Ways in and out, other ships, grav sites, et cetera.
They could make the ice as rare a spawn as Mag sites. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
Florestan Bronstein
The Waterworks
173
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Posted - 2011.11.19 11:54:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:Weaselior wrote:goonswarm has engaged in the most vigorious anti-highsec bot campaign in, well, forever and suddenly we have highsec pubbies crawling out of the woodwork to decry us as evil botters
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
terribly sorry about your ice bot cipher jones You can't say somebody like ilusive or elusive illsuive, (Uhm you know, the guy mentioned in Eve Vegas)and his isk acquisition methods are not questionable at best. elusif?
he's acquiring eve gold, not isk. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
169
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Posted - 2011.11.19 11:58:00 -
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Dradius Calvantia wrote:Moving ICE to null allows easier botting. Mining in H sec is way more risky than mining in Null.
A correctly set up ICE mining operation in any Null sec system allows 100% risk free ICE mining.
The only way to stop this is an AFK cloaker in system.. but you still will not get kills, just prevent them from mining.
LOLWUT??!!
I have a hisec ice mining alt sat doing risk free ice mining in hisec right now while i read forums, she has around 2k ice ready for me to sort out when I can be bothered. Ice mining in Hisec is one of the safest things I have ever done. |
Sandrestal
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.11.19 13:30:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Dradius Calvantia wrote:Moving ICE to null allows easier botting. Mining in H sec is way more risky than mining in Null.
A correctly set up ICE mining operation in any Null sec system allows 100% risk free ICE mining.
The only way to stop this is an AFK cloaker in system.. but you still will not get kills, just prevent them from mining. LOLWUT??!! I have a hisec ice mining alt sat doing risk free ice mining in hisec right now while i read forums, she has around 2k ice ready for me to sort out when I can be bothered. Ice mining in Hisec is one of the safest things I have ever done.
Dradius evidently did not hear about the ice mining op MM had where they lost a fuckton of hulks and Macs. This even tho the entry gates were bubbled and camped and titans for overwatch. Amazing what a black ops gang can do. Dradius, let me give you this one little bit of info......no where in null is safe. Now you can kindly deposit isk into my wallet in graditude.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
196
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Posted - 2011.11.20 00:12:00 -
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They are only attacking Gallente space Ice miners as far as I know. That leaves ice in other places free to be mined. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
86
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Posted - 2011.11.20 01:17:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:goonswarm has engaged in the most vigorious anti-highsec bot campaign in, well, forever and suddenly we have highsec pubbies crawling out of the woodwork to decry us as evil botters
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
nice B - er I mean PR Job there lol
I like your "anti-bot campaign"
Quote:Bots
Goonswarm has been unfairly characterized as bot-friendly, and we'ds like to counteract that. Basically all ice miners are bots. Report them after you kill them! This way, not only do you kill them, you get them temp-banned!
Didnt a guy in Test JUST get banned for something that involved a shitload of ppl filing petitions? So in that logic, Mittani should be banned for getting ppl to petition EVERY ice miner you kill. Cause contrary to your warped view EVERYONE that mines ice isnt a bot.
Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
228
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Posted - 2011.11.20 01:31:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:You guys gave heavy impressions during the summer that this expansion was going to have massive redistribution. But, on the crucible page, there wasn't anything about it and you've been mum on the topic. Any change to the plan?
Edit: By you guys, I mean CCP.
I don't even take care about all the answers knowing the eve community enough to know how interesting the majority is-not better than dog's poop- if that ever happens you can count on several accounts off from me. This game stinks enough with all those crap entities dictating the game with no other reason than destroy it and make it even less interesting than it should be for me. There's no reason I should pay my hard win money for something displeaseant. Better play wow and kill rabbits for 2 hours for actually being able to do some shift than try for months to do something when everything in this game is ruled by mediocrity ruthless and brutish unbrained destruction willing.
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Destroyer Chappy
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.24 23:30:00 -
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The way I read the blog was that CCP has made the decision to put switches on database entries for high sec ice to make those belts exhaustible. Actually the code to use switches is already in server code because CCP has moved ice belts before within high sec.
If I remember right from the last ice belt moves, it took a two weeks to a month to mine out ice belts in shut down areas due to the vast quantity in the belts.
Most importantly , like the Fuel Block implementation, flipping the switches for the ice changes will occur at CCP timing and discretion. And apparently flipping the switches for killing high sec ice is way down on the internal CCP list of changes to activate as CCP has not yet put ice on the public features list with a date or even general time frame. Perhaps the switches will not get thrown at all during Crucible if other things cause too much chaos.
As far as the exhaustible ice belts go...I did read that too. However, I read that as a transition feature to no more ice in high sec. Again CCP has moved ice in high sec before and they had a transition where ice did not renew / respawn any more. I am pretty sure this is what Dev's meant by exhaustible. Keep in mind ice is already technically "exhaustible" but there is jsut so damn much of it that it renews / respawn before any practical method of mining it out.
Finally, from my reading of the blog there was to be no new ice belt creation. In fact the only "move" I saw was referring to forcing players to move ice mining operation to low and null sec.
As to pure speculation on what change in EVE that CCP expects to occur?
Well first I suspect CCP figures null sec will NOT in general step up to filling Jita market for ice products. Two reasons: first its boring and doesn't pay well even with prices hikes due to loss of supply -- and second there will likely be lots of null sec strategic arm wrestling over cutting off supplies to the enemy. Possibly a lot of control towers will get changed to home sovereignty area ice given the POS fuel block changes. Bottomline: null sec is not really known for carebear activity. The private side business of null sec small corps and individuals maybe highly dependent on how bulky fuel blocks are to ship.
Second, I think that in CCP minds that means low sec ice belts will end up supporting worm hole space, low sec POS and those hi sec POS not owned by null sec alts. Meaning that they can't force you to null sec big alliance games -- but CCP figures there will be some really intense small fleet action in sec action against pirate just out to spoil POS fuel supply. heck there alliance areas in null sec with no ice belts. So either they conquer their biggest foes in nullsec after years of trying...or they also compete in low sec ice belts. I can again say that CCP probably expects having multiple racial types of POS may stretch many alliances and corps too thin to compete in actual protected ice mining.
So in the end CCP is probably just generally aiming to stir things up by creating shortages ad opening vulnerabilities at certain random POS. Eventually it will all stabilize again though. |
Cur
Hardcore p0wnography Cascade Imminent
22
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Posted - 2011.11.24 23:39:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:Assagai Invari wrote:Andski wrote:i hope not, we want high-sec ice to stay there forever Quite right, because at least it gives the Goons something to do and forces miners to be aware rather than AFK mining. yeah but moving it to null does the exact same thing. Anybody remember this dev blog? http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=946ole source of ice and high-end minerals For further discussion. Nullsec should be the only place we're injecting (at least some of the) ices, zydrine, megacyte and morphite into the game. This ensures that nullsec mining retains a unique value proposition, and guarantees that mining time for these types is priced according the risk and effort involved in nullsec extraction.
Wrong
Null 0.0 "Mining" corps are either over in DRF space, tucked safely behind many barriers.
Its far safer to get you're Zydrine, Megacyte and Morphite from drone poo than it is mining.
People go out of their way to specificly find systems that have had Mining upgrades and the index worked up then camp them untill the residents pack up and leave out of frustration.
0.0 Alliances treat miners like crap. Highsec Gankers suicide on the carebare miners for "the lulz". The best place to get minerals from actual mining is in a Wormhole.
Tritanium is still the most valuable material in 0.0 manufacturing. Please dont ever expect CCP to do anything about that problem as its quite obvious they dont care.
Noone realy enjoy's mining for the sake of mining. They enjoy being able to sit there, watch TV shows or get housework done while only coming back to their PC's to drag ore and switch on the miners onto a new roid, which is weird, i realy cant understand why people would want to do other things rather than sit there watchign the cycle time on their lasers with great anticipation and joy. Its so much fun, no?
Its like an abusive relationship. Miners are the Women CCP/Eve community are the men. CCP/Men expect the miners/women to produce minerals on a bountifull and regular basis, and turn them into ships and **** for them to use, while at the same time beating said woman with a stick and verbaly abusing her, and not being able to understand why more and more miners/women opt for a career change or simply quit the game entirely.
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Elanor Vega
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
57
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Posted - 2011.11.25 00:03:00 -
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Put 90% of ice in Low sec... |
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