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Ashlar Maidstone
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2014.06.09 20:05:00 -
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Ever since I moved to Providence recently I hadn't really been able to join in on some of the CTAs because of NOT having the right ships to go with. Even tho I have found so far my experience isn't what I wanted yet so far has really been pretty good for the most part. But I feel bad that I can't as I said join in on the fun and this has made me feel really guity in those ways. I am however NOT gonna give up nor quit.
I'm just sharing a little of my frustrations, and hope to gain some sincere advice on how to proceed, No trolling or flaming please. Thank you. |
Karen Avioras
Unsung Heroes Spaceship Samurai
849
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Posted - 2014.06.09 20:08:00 -
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My advice would be that you train into the doctrine ships and have fun with the fleet.. |
Dominus Tempus
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
148
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Posted - 2014.06.09 20:09:00 -
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Have you found a stable source of income for yourself in null yet? That's step one to working your way towards a collection of doctrine ships. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3331
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Posted - 2014.06.09 20:10:00 -
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I don't know about CTAs but why can't you go along? Just in a dessy or a Celestis or something |
Sweetsthehooker Zateki
Cloaked Goof Cascade Imminent
4
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Posted - 2014.06.09 20:13:00 -
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U cant even do t1 logi frigs? |
Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
726
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Posted - 2014.06.09 20:14:00 -
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A good alliance should hopefully have a low sp doctrine set. If nothing else every single fleet always needs fast tackle, even t1 frigates for pings, scouts and holding down enemy ships. They're cheap so you can have fun and not fear losing it and hopefully along the way you'll learn how to stay alive and that is a big plus when you start flying the actual doctrine ships. It is really hard to change your signature settings |
Ashlar Maidstone
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
84
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Posted - 2014.06.09 20:15:00 -
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Dominus Tempus wrote:Have you found a stable source of income for yourself in null yet? That's step one to working your way towards a collection of doctrine ships.
so far yes, being in nul is a bit riskier than hisec but what da heck right?? I found several systems that I can go mine in and just watching local to be sure it's clear I can mine to my heart's content (maybe) LOL! But yeah, just knowing where I can mine at and get to a station to reprocess and build I have already gotten set up for that. Thank you for your reply |
Ashlar Maidstone
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
84
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Posted - 2014.06.09 20:17:00 -
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Sweetsthehooker Zateki wrote:U cant even do t1 logi frigs?
Yes I can do t1 logi, that's alot of fun being a "healer"!! |
Netan MalDoran
Yumping Amok Circle-Of-Two
14
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Posted - 2014.06.09 20:27:00 -
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Try the Moa Logi fit that they have, you don't need too many skills for that, then train into interceptors or bombers. Also keep around some t1 stuff for 'kitchen sink' ops where they don't care what you have. "Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was! |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1852
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Posted - 2014.06.09 20:31:00 -
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Ashlar Maidstone wrote:Sweetsthehooker Zateki wrote:U cant even do t1 logi frigs? Yes I can do t1 logi, that's alot of fun being a "healer"!! Spoken like a man who hasn't tried it. It's logi, not healer. "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |
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Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
726
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Posted - 2014.06.09 20:34:00 -
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Ashlar Maidstone wrote:Sweetsthehooker Zateki wrote:U cant even do t1 logi frigs? Yes I can do t1 logi, that's alot of fun being a "healer"!!
Hey hey hey now, I heal. It's not so bad, especially when you get to cruiser, you can try to get in on some of the kills by assigning drones to a fast tackle ship or your FC .
This weekend was overly exciting for me, even though I have little to show for it on the killboards. Logistics can literally make or break a fleet and while it's not much fun when you're up against an inferior fleet it's alot of fun when its an even fight.
So we got into a scuffle with Shadow Cartel this weekend. We outnumbered them probably 4 or 5 to 1, but they were in pimped out deadspace stuff and I hear these guys know what they're doing. Neither the NC. fleet nor our fleet could break their tanks because their healers were on the ball, meanwhile on our side I was palms sweaty trying to overheat and swap targets to keep people up as the enemy switched targets when one wouldn't break and you hoped the next guy would call for shields and give the logi team enough time to lock em and pull reps. I was even struggling to keep up this one guy who got neuted and had no hardeners at all and I overheated all the things and tried desperately to heal him through the reps.
Had another fight earlier that morning with CO2 and FA when we popped our head into a wormhole and said hello, we fought 3 or 4 different times, and I felt like God because we pretty much kept up all the ships that didn't get tackled due to not being aligned....and then I made a cardinal mistake of not being aligned myself and got caught alone by the fleet and died along with another logi bro, and slowly our fleet started dying because thats how friggin important we are.
So yeah, if you're just shooting fish in a barrel it sucks to watch kills go by and you got nothing to do, but its a blast when the fan gets muddy. It is really hard to change your signature settings |
Dominus Tempus
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
148
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Posted - 2014.06.09 20:39:00 -
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Ashlar Maidstone wrote:Sweetsthehooker Zateki wrote:U cant even do t1 logi frigs? Yes I can do t1 logi, that's alot of fun being a "healer"!!
Logi is a lot of fun to me. you'll get primaried a lot though and cap-chaining is a real pain in the ass, as well as all the fuss over voice chat.
But hey, Eve is boring and terrible as hell anyway. |
Regan Rotineque
Arch Angels Assault Force The Kadeshi
352
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Posted - 2014.06.09 20:41:00 -
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really?
CVA blobs the hell outta us in T1 toys all the time
btw never change CVA ... always gf's from you guys G¥ñn+Å |
Ashlar Maidstone
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
84
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Posted - 2014.06.09 20:43:00 -
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Awwwww you guys n gals!! You're making cry!! LOL, thank you so very much!! I appreciate the advice and will do what must be done, thank you all so graciously!! |
Nariya Kentaya
Phoenix funds
1321
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Posted - 2014.06.09 21:09:00 -
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Kijo Rikki wrote:A good alliance should hopefully have a low sp doctrine set. If nothing else every single fleet always needs fast tackle, even t1 frigates for pings, scouts and holding down enemy ships. They're cheap so you can have fun and not fear losing it and hopefully along the way you'll learn how to stay alive and that is a big plus when you start flying the actual doctrine ships. The Kadeshi and most of N3 back during and shortly after the Fountain War was threatening to kick ANY member not capable and willing to fly exclusively carriers for wrecking ball fleet every CTA, and anyone not showing up for every CTA. A good chunk of my friends were also kicked because they didnt get on any kills because they were flying logi for fleets. Part of the reason I left.
And from other friend's experiences from CFC and the occasional rusbloc vet, those allianes can be a little silly too oncerning what a "low SP doctrine" means. |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
1173
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Posted - 2014.06.09 21:13:00 -
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Adds Ashlar to contacts, then runs to the nearest tracking agent next time he is on.... |
Nalanthii
12
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Posted - 2014.06.09 21:20:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:I don't know about CTAs but why can't you go along? Just in a dessy or a Celestis or something
Hopping in fleet with Y when X is called for will not end well. ... |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
14175
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Posted - 2014.06.09 21:35:00 -
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Just fly a Megathron. Baltec1 has proven their effectiveness in complementing ANY fleet doctrine!
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
GreenSeed
1035
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Posted - 2014.06.09 22:15:00 -
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in order of usefulness, on ANY doctrine, you have the celestis, then bellicose and lastly a Blackbird.
all 3 dirt cheap, all 3 can make a difference, albeit small. a single celestis can -1 logi the enemy fleet forever, and cycling 2 pairs of damps along 2 random stray guardians/basilisks will break chains, if only for a moment. bellicoses can bloom logistic ships to pre links/halo levels which will help greatly in getting them killed. specially if the rest of the fleet is ABC heavy. and the Blackbird can at best be a nuisance, but beats flying an arbitrator. -.-'
just pay attention to coms, time your damps/blooms with the alpha cycle. always prebloom the secondary to help the first blap, use an overview filter showing only logis and look for the ones away from the pack and damp them into submission. and if you are on a blackbird, overheat ONE CYCLE on 3 different logis the moment a primary dies.
both the bellicose and the Celestis can shield and armor, still both perform way better as armor ships, the blackbird is the ugly one. and being so cheap you can rat the hulls in 20 minutes, and since you rely on Ewar, you can fit it all with meta modules and perform better than T2, so you can fly the whole thing with less than 4 - 5 days of training. (ewar has a few support skills that you need at least at 3, specially range)
i find it hard to believe that they will just plain tell you "no you cant come" CVA is a kitchen sink as it gets, even on CTAs. some corps on the CVA sphere are more lenient than others, so probably you should tag along other fleet for a while.
only advice i can give you is this, people in fleet will tell you to share the logi anchors and "forget about it", but in no way you can survive being a primary if you stay so close. so train the support skills that give you better range on ewar, fit a sensor booster, and make sure you stay a good 30% farther away from the enemy fleet if its energy gun based, if its rail based make that 50%, and be mindful of your fleet movements. if the fleet rotates and the FC on the other fleet finds ewar on optimal they will blap you in a second, they know how annoying you are. and even if you stay on 2xfalloff and surrounded by a ton of better targets, if the enemy logi wing bitches too much about it they will still try to kill you. even if large bubbles are down, you can still find their edge and stay on it, so when primaried, 7 out of 10 times warping off will be better than broadcasting for reps.
so remember, reshipping is the mantra of the Ewar pilot. :o
this is my experience doing hobo Ewar, your mileage may vary. |
Marsha Mallow
997
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Posted - 2014.06.09 22:41:00 -
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Kijo Rikki wrote: Logistics can literally make or break a fleet and while it's not much fun when you're up against an inferior fleet it's alot of fun when its an even fight. Logi ftw. Other than FCing it's probably the most demanding role in fleets, and you tend to find the really good pvpers amongst the core logi pilots [*preens modestly*] No really!
Kijo Rikki wrote:So we got into a scuffle with Shadow Cartel this weekend. We outnumbered them probably 4 or 5 to 1, but they were in pimped out deadspace stuff and I hear these guys know what they're doing. Haven't had time online much to play with SC yet but corpies showed me that BR, looked like fun. Good to see the other side enjoyed it too :)
@OP I had a quick look at your eveboard - hope you don't mind. You're not that badly skilled overall. It's way worse to be pure Caldari when you start in null, but you have Amarr Frig & Cruiser V which is a good start. You look close to interceptors and HACs, although they are expensive, so probably best to aim for those once you get ISK sorted. Interdictors are an interesting one to try - they need a fair bit of practical skill - but they are relatively cheap.
Start out with T1 frigs and work on tackling, cruisers (you can do DPS cruiser, ewar or logi here so it's fairly diverse), and BCs. Don't stress too much about BS fleets, although you can can fly a BS reasonably competently @ level 4 with meta 4 mods (it's just really pricey). It takes a while to build up a core of ships, so don't stress early on if you can't join every fleet. Have a look at low level 1-3% hardwirings if the fittings are tight (PG/CPU) some of them are really quite cheap.
It's really worth talking to your corpies and alliance mates in the first instance. Not that I'm saying advice here is worthless, but it's better from people who fly your core doctrines. CVA has always - afaik - been rookie friendly so they can probably help you out internally with skillplans and advice. TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
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Felicity Love
It Was the Year 3030
1892
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Posted - 2014.06.09 22:46:00 -
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So long as you don't ask "Can I bring Drake?" you should be fine.
"Psssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh" -á-- That ambiguous and pseudo-technical term used by management to describe to staff how frakking cool something looks inside their own heads.
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Hiyora Akachi
Norinsk Freelancers
204
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Posted - 2014.06.09 22:50:00 -
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If you can't fly a potato, fly a T1 logi or tackler. When I was in Provi I couldn't fly doctrine ships so I just fit up a Condor for tackling and had a blast. |
DownTwisTeD
KaMiKaZes
6
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Posted - 2014.06.10 00:00:00 -
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Now- now there,.. You come out with me and ill get you in shap in no time on 00 living. |
Vivec Septim
The Bene Gesserit
44
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Posted - 2014.06.10 02:12:00 -
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If you make your point, some of the more casual fleets will accept you. :) I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear.-á
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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
272
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Posted - 2014.06.10 06:44:00 -
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Do note OP that in provi there are "defence fleets" that rise quickly to answer small threats and then the CTA's which are flown with specific goals in mind. So I'd advice you to train up for CTA doctrines while doing the small gang stuff with defence fleets where anything goes. |
WASPY69
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
291
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Posted - 2014.06.10 12:02:00 -
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You just blew my mind! I've been looking for a quiet null system to mine in for literally AGES now! What system do you usually mine in? |
Sweetsthehooker Zateki
Cloaked Goof Cascade Imminent
8
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Posted - 2014.06.10 13:39:00 -
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@OP after consulting with a very experienced corp mate last night apparently cruiser logi is also pretty frickin good. You may want to check that out as well for your ctas and the like |
Kijo Rikki
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
735
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Posted - 2014.06.10 13:47:00 -
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WASPY69 wrote:You just blew my mind! I've been looking for a quiet null system to mine in for literally AGES now! What system do you usually mine in?
0SHT-A It is really hard to change your signature settings |
Ashlar Maidstone
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
94
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Posted - 2014.06.18 03:04:00 -
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Thank you all so kindly!! I have been working on some doctrines for cruisers and been enjoying getting out on a fleet or two. I learned alot as well and can see where I need to make some changes so I can get adjusted right and then go pew pew!! Thanks all so graciously.. |
Serene Repose
1387
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Posted - 2014.06.18 05:21:00 -
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This can't be stressed enough. Look into what it takes to do what it is you decide you want to do. Invariably in this game for everything, but GANKING and pretending that's PVP, you have to prepare. You have to acquire the right gear and be able to use it. This involves financing, purchase and practice (usually). People here are more than happy to help you along. Google is your friend, there's copious stuff online explaining the hows, whats and whys.
If it's worth doing, it's going to take some preparation. Plan. Plan. Plan.
The OP can see he ended up doing the only thing he planned for, that was move to a location and sit there.
THINK, DON'T GANK.
God will love you for it, and you may at last get a date! I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
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