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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
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Posted - 2014.06.10 12:23:00 -
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With this latest development, the three largest cities on Caldari Prime are now all under Ishukone administration.
Mordu's Legion will also continue providing security and policing for the planet for the time being; their extended contract now stretches a further four years into YC 120.
I would like to extend, on behalf of Tyrathlion Interstellar, our congratulations and well-wishes for future developments and efforts to Ishukone, Material Acquisition and Mordu's Legion. The last year's progress is no small feat, and something for all parties to be proud of - no matter how small their contributions. Morwen Lagann CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Circle-Of-Two
4730
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Posted - 2014.06.10 12:29:00 -
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Excellent. Another step towards the peaceful return of Caldari Prime to its rightful owners, another step towards better relationships between our two nations, another step towards the end of hostilities - another step towards peace.
Otro's legacy clearly lives on in Ishukone. Mane 614
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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
602
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Posted - 2014.06.10 12:53:00 -
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Bigger, better markets. About time. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Ava Starfire
Gradient
1562
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Posted - 2014.06.10 13:03:00 -
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A rare bit of welcome news. Hopefully, at least the State and Federation are moving closer to lasting peace. "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |
Anslo
Scope Works
5423
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Posted - 2014.06.10 13:55:00 -
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Bout damn time.
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Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
3776
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Posted - 2014.06.10 14:17:00 -
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Excellent news and a vindication for Ishukone's policy of diplomatic engagement! "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
Jurou Yuan
Hakkaisuo Corporation Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
137
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Posted - 2014.06.10 14:18:00 -
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Arcurio is the real estate version of genital warts.
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Xindi Kraid
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
777
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Posted - 2014.06.10 14:52:00 -
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This is good news indeed. I am glad to see we are slowly regaining control of our home.
I would like to hope the reveal of what Ishukone was meeting with the Gallente over would help quell the bullshit talk of traitorous intent, but I am sure the other corporations will have none of it. Then again I haven't seen all of them do much to improve the situation. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3829
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Posted - 2014.06.10 15:06:00 -
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Jurou Yuan wrote:Arcurio is the real estate version of genital warts.
This has zero effect on a capsuleer. You're not effected by this in the slightest, people. You're not part of the baseliners anymore.
Rise above this utter rubbish.
The Empyrean freedom to redefine ourselves includes the freedom to define ourselves as Caldari who care about the homeworld and the well-being of the State. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Circle-Of-Two
4734
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Posted - 2014.06.10 15:38:00 -
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Jurou Yuan wrote:This has zero effect on a capsuleer. You're not effected by this in the slightest, people. You're not part of the baseliners anymore.
Rise above this utter rubbish. You're right. I'm not a baseliner. Doesn't mean I can't also be a citizen and supporter of the Federation, and it certainly doesn't mean that I can't be happy that a planet of such deep cultural and historical significance to a people I deeply respect is being peacefully returned to them.
And yes, it does affect us, because as the Ida teaches, nothing exists in isolation. The state of Caldari Prime affects the state of Gallente-Caldari relations. The state of Gallente-Caldari relations affects the Empyrean War. The Empyrean War affects everything - from where combat pilots are or aren't to what they do or don't buy to what ships are or aren't valuable, expensive or rare to what resources are in demand. The Empyrean War comprises nearly 20,000 officially registered pilots and an inestimable number of unofficial supporters and operatives. It attracts pirates, scavengers, opportunists, mercenaries, patriots, demagogues. It acts as a training ground for the harsh territories of nullsec, and a dumping ground for those who tried and failed in those same outer reaches. ISK flows into, out of and through the fingers of every capsuleer involved in it.
The most insignificant action can have the greatest repercussions, and the largest things can have small beginnings.
There was a time when no-one knew who Verone or Istvaan Shogatsuu were. There was a time when no-one had heard of Tibus Heth. There was a time when the names "Band of Brothers" or "GoonSwarm" meant nothing to anyone. Mane 614
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Jaret Victorian
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2014.06.10 16:04:00 -
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Well, really good news. I like the actions of Ishukone corp in these latter days.
This is really a good progress. I really hope one day we will be allies with Gallente nation, they're not so bad. Sure, they did some bad moves, but less than others (talking about Amarr here). |
Bryen Verrisai
EVE University Ivy League
196
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Posted - 2014.06.10 16:15:00 -
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Yay. |
Calairis
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2014.06.10 17:14:00 -
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I see the media are still asking the tough questions about the Senate's takeaway from this agreement. I feel much safer with a press that keeps our elected officials accountable. Well done. |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
682
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Posted - 2014.06.10 17:22:00 -
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Glad to hear this wodnerful news! The State and federation are slowly making strides for a more beneficial and peaceful co-existence! Helping Serpentis civilians -á-áMercenaries for peace: Mordu's Legion |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Circle-Of-Two
4738
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Posted - 2014.06.10 17:53:00 -
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Calairis wrote:I see the media are still asking the tough questions about the Senate's takeaway from this agreement. I feel much safer with a press that keeps our elected officials accountable. Well done. Politically speaking, the Senate representatives involved are building themselves the mother of all re-election campaigns - "we ended the Second Gallente-Caldari War! We brought you peace and safety! We gave Caldari Prime back to the Caldari!" That sort of prestige is essentially a free vote from 90% of the Intaki population in their constituencies, a significant majority of the Gallentean and Jin-Mei votes, a pretty solid section of the Minmatar voter bloc and might even a few Mannar votes as well. It pretty much goes without saying that this will please Caldari citizens of the Federation immensely. It also dumps an immense amount of clout into their hands - you don't get flippant with the people who solved the largest and most costly threat to the Federation's security.
From a far more cynical perspective, handing over Arcurio - a huge city with a strong demographic Caldari majority, devastated by the Shiigeru impact - could easily be seen as a pragmatic way of giving a problem case to somebody else. Arcurio no doubt has deep cultural and historical significance to the State, but it's also kind of a mess right now - a mess that the Federation now no longer has to worry about spending as much money, time and personnel cleaning up.
Other factors include exchange of money, contacts, intelligence, resources, technology or other favours.
You're quite right. The Senate is getting something good out of this, and I, as with many others, would very much like to know what. Mane 614
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Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
3778
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Posted - 2014.06.10 18:08:00 -
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I've been saying for years that an organisation as business savvy as the Federation ought to have cottoned on long ago that the State is obviously prepared to pay over the odds for Caldari Prime. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Circle-Of-Two
4739
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Posted - 2014.06.10 18:14:00 -
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See, that puts a seed of worry into my mind. If the Federation is suddenly willing to sell what the State is buying, what if they're doing it because they anticipate a larger problem is at hand? Mane 614
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Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
3778
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Posted - 2014.06.10 18:23:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:See, that puts a seed of worry into my mind. If the Federation is suddenly willing to sell what the State is buying, what if they're doing it because they anticipate a larger problem is at hand?
To be honest, I don't care WHY, just so long as they are. I'm trying to imagine a problem large enough that the State and the Federation together couldn't solve it. Drawing a big of a blank. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Circle-Of-Two
4740
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Posted - 2014.06.10 18:40:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I'm trying to imagine a problem large enough that the State and the Federation together couldn't solve it. Drawing a big of a blank. That's one of the many reasons why I advocate peace between the State and the Federation. Apart, we're already pretty damn spectacular. Working together, there's nothing we couldn't do. Mane 614
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Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3241
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Posted - 2014.06.10 22:22:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:See, that puts a seed of worry into my mind. If the Federation is suddenly willing to sell what the State is buying, what if they're doing it because they anticipate a larger problem is at hand?
The fact that anybody here is seriously asking this is pretty amusing. Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki ~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer ~ [I-RED] Director of Public Relations |
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Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
622
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Posted - 2014.06.10 23:50:00 -
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I hope peaceful diplomacy catches on to the rest of the cluster. |
Noden Vorpalstar
The Knights of Polaris
340
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Posted - 2014.06.11 01:28:00 -
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An admirable step towards peace. I will trust, until I learn other wise, that citizens of The Federation living on Caldari Prime will be able to continue calling 'Home' their home, and that a mutual understanding of peace will be a virtue of all whom live on the planet.
As for the Empyrean War, I do not believe it will end any time in the foreseeable future. Not so long as there are still extremist elements dedicated to The Federation's destruction both overtly and covertly.
Public Channel:-á Polaris-Public Roleplaying Channel: -áGallente Lounge OOC Channel: -áWNWN2 |
TomHorn
Dragonaurs Ndrangheta.
212
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Posted - 2014.06.11 01:31:00 -
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The sooner Federation rule on Caldari Prime is removed the better. The Caldari nationalists can concentrate on helping the Intaki nationalists and the ILF in their goal of secession from the Federation and creating their own independent Intaki state. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1122
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Posted - 2014.06.11 01:58:00 -
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There are still too many gallentean occupants present on the Caldari Prime. I don't think we could just tell them to go without spilling their blood. And they must pay for what the Federation did with our planet.
Gallentean occupants on our territories should be named outlaws and should be dealt with accordingly, swiftly and without mercy.
How one can talk about peace, while security and integrity of our territories are being compromised?! |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
609
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Posted - 2014.06.11 02:17:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:There are still too many gallentean occupants present on the Caldari Prime. I don't think we could just tell them to go without spilling their blood. And they must pay for what the Federation did with our planet.
Gallentean occupants on our territories should be named outlaws and should be dealt with accordingly, swiftly and without mercy.
How one can talk about peace, while security and integrity of our territories are being compromised?!
From your other thread:
Diana Kim wrote:I don't do vengeance, Lieutenant Kernher, because vengeance is not professional.
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I don't even want to take them into the State, I don't want to absorb them like you, or kill them. What I want, is to dismantle their criminal regime, their government.
Sounds like vengeance to me.
Which is it? Do you want to just dismantle their government, or do you want to butcher the population? Pick one. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1122
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Posted - 2014.06.11 02:31:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Diana Kim wrote:There are still too many gallentean occupants present on the Caldari Prime. I don't think we could just tell them to go without spilling their blood. And they must pay for what the Federation did with our planet.
Gallentean occupants on our territories should be named outlaws and should be dealt with accordingly, swiftly and without mercy.
How one can talk about peace, while security and integrity of our territories are being compromised?! From your other thread: Diana Kim wrote:I don't do vengeance, Lieutenant Kernher, because vengeance is not professional.
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I don't even want to take them into the State, I don't want to absorb them like you, or kill them. What I want, is to dismantle their criminal regime, their government. Sounds like vengeance to me. Justice, Ms. Kernher. Law and justice.
Samira Kernher wrote: Which is it? Do you want to just dismantle their government, or do you want to butcher the population? Pick one.
No, no, of course not! Just dismantle their government. As for their population, they don't all participate in occupation of Caldari territories. Only occupants must be... ugh... using your words, "butchered". |
Bryen Verrisai
EVE University Ivy League
197
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Posted - 2014.06.11 02:47:00 -
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TomHorn wrote:The Caldari nationalists can concentrate on helping the Intaki nationalists and the ILF in their goal of secession from the Federation Don't hold your breath.
Actually, do. |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Circle-Of-Two
4747
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Posted - 2014.06.11 06:21:00 -
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TomHorn wrote:The Caldari nationalists can concentrate on helping the Intaki nationalists and the ILF in their goal of secession from the Federation and creating their own independent Intaki state. Behold Provist hypocricy.
The Federation meddling with internal State affairs? Unacceptable! The State meddling with internal Federation affairs? Perfectly fine. Mane 614
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Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.06.11 07:49:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:TomHorn wrote:The Caldari nationalists can concentrate on helping the Intaki nationalists and the ILF in their goal of secession from the Federation and creating their own independent Intaki state. Behold Provist hypocricy. The Federation meddling with internal State affairs? Unacceptable! The State meddling with internal Federation affairs? Perfectly fine.
Welcome to the wonderful world of cognitive biases. |
Jaret Victorian
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2014.06.11 08:57:00 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:TomHorn wrote:The Caldari nationalists can concentrate on helping the Intaki nationalists and the ILF in their goal of secession from the Federation and creating their own independent Intaki state. Behold Provist hypocricy. The Federation meddling with internal State affairs? Unacceptable! The State meddling with internal Federation affairs? Perfectly fine. While what you said is right, double standards are bad, I think it is important to save the right of self-determination, to some degree at least.
After all this was the self-determination that got both the State and the Federation into the conflict. |
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