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Catalytic morphisis
Rock Huggers Inc The Pears of Anguish
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Posted - 2014.06.18 14:41:00 -
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OP, Learn that you are as much, if not more to blame for this neglect than your "friend" if he quits then its probably for the best, obviously couldn't deal with playing a game of risk. Teach you members basic **** like scam avoidance or fold your corp and join one where the leaders look out for their own |
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
397
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Posted - 2014.06.18 16:15:00 -
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Catalytic morphisis wrote:OP, Learn that you are as much, if not more to blame for this neglect than your "friend" if he quits then its probably for the best, obviously couldn't deal with playing a game of risk. Teach you members basic **** like scam avoidance or fold your corp and join one where the leaders look out for their own
Yup. Just what I said a few pages back.
OP wants the best of both worlds - he wants to wear the CEO hat and get others to follow him, but does not want to invest any time or energy into making sure his members are protected and educated.
On a side note - this is one of my favorite parts about EVE online. The bar to start your own corp is so low that it allows players with no real idea what they are doing at all to totally fail in a very amusing and public way :-) |
Catalytic morphisis
Rock Huggers Inc The Pears of Anguish
48
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Posted - 2014.06.18 16:19:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:Catalytic morphisis wrote:OP, Learn that you are as much, if not more to blame for this neglect than your "friend" if he quits then its probably for the best, obviously couldn't deal with playing a game of risk. Teach you members basic **** like scam avoidance or fold your corp and join one where the leaders look out for their own Yup. Just what I said a few pages back. OP wants the best of both worlds - he wants to wear the CEO hat and get others to follow him, but does not want to invest any time or energy into making sure his members are protected and educated. On a side note - this is one of my favorite parts about EVE online. The bar to start your own corp is so low that it allows players with no real idea what they are doing at all to totally fail in a very amusing and public way :-) my apologies I didn't see your post. But I agree with you completely |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar E.A.R.T.H. Federation
563
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Posted - 2014.06.19 22:10:00 -
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You shall not PLAY!
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Ja'kar
Phantom Squad DARKNESS.
7
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Posted - 2014.06.20 23:09:00 -
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OK retuned to EVE, what is a 'Bonus room scam'?
Did they charge him isk for a bonus room?
Or is it more complicated? |
Tengu Grib
Simple Inc Simple Group
189
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Posted - 2014.06.20 23:29:00 -
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Ja'kar wrote:OK retuned to EVE, what is a 'Bonus room scam'?
Did they charge him isk for a bonus room?
Or is it more complicated?
It's a totally legit form of gambling. Basically, you contract everything you own and hand over all of your isk, then you perform various tasks, like reading the Halaima CODE in a funny accent or singing on comms, and allow the escrow agents to pod you repeatedly in alpha clones till you run out of SP, and if you complete all the assigned tasks they multiply your investment by 5. So if you fail or drop out early you literally lose everything. There was a scandal recently where Erotica1, the guy who started the bonus room, was permanently banned without warning or reason after Ripard Teg complained to CCP about the bonus room calling it torture. Google Sohkar bonus room if you'd like to know more. Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever. SolidX > i'm an alt IRL Guilty conscience? Buy a mining permit today. www.minerbumping.com |
ElCholo
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
179
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Posted - 2014.06.20 23:46:00 -
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Tengu Grib wrote:Ja'kar wrote:OK retuned to EVE, what is a 'Bonus room scam'?
Did they charge him isk for a bonus room?
Or is it more complicated? It's a totally legit form of gambling. Basically, you contract everything you own and hand over all of your isk, then you perform various tasks, like reading the Halaima CODE in a funny accent or singing on comms, and allow the escrow agents to pod you repeatedly in alpha clones till you run out of SP, and if you complete all the assigned tasks they multiply your investment by 5. So if you fail or drop out early you literally lose everything. There was a scandal recently where Erotica1, the guy who started the bonus room, was permanently banned without warning or reason after Ripard Teg complained to CCP about the bonus room calling it torture. Google Sohkar bonus room if you'd like to know more.
I wouldn't even call it gambling. There's no real gamble. It's more just a test of nerves. As long as you can follow through with it and not lose your nerve or patients then you win. |
Dally Lama
Republic University Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2014.06.21 11:08:00 -
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Catalytic morphisis wrote:OP, Learn that you are as much, if not more to blame for this neglect than your "friend" if he quits then its probably for the best, obviously couldn't deal with playing a game of risk. Teach you members basic **** like scam avoidance or fold your corp and join one where the leaders look out for their own It's about the guise you enter the game with. A lot of EVE players think they are very tough because they wouldn't quit if such a thing happened to them, but the truth is it's a matter of perspective.
If you were to enter the game under the guise that it's WoW in space, you as well would most definitely quit upon having such an experience. You may not be interested in ever playing WoW in space, but if you happened to make that decision, you wouldn't readily accept what happens in the bonus room.
Many of us entered the game thinking it's Lord of the Flies in space and as such, we can laugh off such a thing happening to us (and/or get copious amounts of revenge).
I am not at all scolding or condemning scamming or the bonus room, should add. [url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4714537[/url] | [url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4722616[/url] |
Pine Marten
Viziam Amarr Empire
39
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Posted - 2014.06.22 17:46:00 -
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Banning people for whats said on private teamspeak servers. CCP does that now.
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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1296
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Posted - 2014.06.23 20:36:00 -
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Pine Marten wrote:Banning people for whats said on private teamspeak servers. CCP does that now.
What's next, banning people for abusive tweets?
Oh wait, that gets you hired. This is-á a signature. |
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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
1129
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Posted - 2014.09.15 04:06:00 -
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I'm pretty sure your friend wouldn't have lasted much longer in the sandbox. Eve has a way of chewing up and spitting out those not equipped to handle it.
With that in mind, doubt he much of an asset to EVE. His possessions are clearly much better off in someone else's hands.
Also, do they still call them 'bonus rooms'? That is SO six months ago. |
Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
7
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Posted - 2014.09.15 15:59:00 -
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Tengu Grib wrote:Ja'kar wrote:OK retuned to EVE, what is a 'Bonus room scam'?
Did they charge him isk for a bonus room?
Or is it more complicated? It's a totally legit form of gambling. Basically, you contract everything you own and hand over all of your isk, then you perform various tasks, like reading the Halaima CODE in a funny accent or singing on comms, and allow the escrow agents to pod you repeatedly in alpha clones till you run out of SP, and if you complete all the assigned tasks they multiply your investment by 5.
Funny how half the people claims that it's stupid to lower your status or SP just because being told and the other half claims that he was just missing the nerves to play this totally legit gamble. This doesn't add up.
Truth is, he should've been warned to not fall for scams. It's quite easy to avoid being stupid.
Pine Marten wrote:Banning people for whats said on private teamspeak servers. CCP does that now.
Not only that. You get banned for defiling a private monument in a far away nordic harbour city. The entire playerbase found that acceptable. True story. |
Lady Spank
The Intaki Ladies Deep Space Astrogation Auxiliary
3643
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Posted - 2014.09.15 16:19:00 -
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OP. If you are in any way serious then more details are needed such as the names of those in the Bonus Room, primarily the person that scammed your friend in the first place.
AS you know, scamming is perfectly acceptable activity in Eve and petitioning losses just wastes CCP's time. You should have warned your friend that scamming is allowed. ISK can be replaced, it makes no difference if he bought it with 'real money' or not. Stick to relevant information.
The only area where you have any hope of action is in your claim of cyberbullying. See the recent announcement regarding this and determine if you have a similar case.
I suspect (assuming this is in any way true in the first place) your friend is just stupid and made some poor choices. If he is new there is very little in the way of SP to be lost, sec-status can be bought back and ISK is just ISK. Noobs don't need much ISK. If he quits over any of those losses he doesn't belong in New Eden anyway. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1392
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Posted - 2014.09.15 16:57:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:hetty B wrote: ...Bonus room scam and the controversy of Erotica1? ... And i know those Cyber bullies like to record there hilarious bonus rounds ,does anyone know where we can find them to listen to it as we would like to determine how serious this one is ?
The recording of the masterful experiment in social interaction run by Ero 1 can be found here. However, for your scurrilous use of the term 'cyber bully' applied to people simply metagaming within the framework of 'HTFU', 'Be The Villain' and 'Everything Is Fair Game' as marketed by CCP to this day, we must add a +1 to the Kill-It-Forward queue, while we await CCP's clarification of the 'HTFU' trademark, to perhaps 'HTFU..unless someones feelings get hurt' alternate version... However, if you renounce your use of the term 'cyber bully' in the next 2 hours, the Kill-It-Forward warrant will be rescinded. Otherwise, an innocent carebears blood will be harvested in your name, to fuel my Ashimmu.... F Apologies on not following up on this earlier, as we continue to strive to decrease the turnaround-times on our valued service...
Two innocents have thus just had their pimp-mobiles murdered in hisec, in hopes of restoring faith in our service.
Bingo
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Thank you for your understanding and patience in this matter, as we look forwarding to servicing you again in the future.
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Ketchup Advisory Board
1029
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Posted - 2014.09.15 18:24:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:I'm pretty sure your friend wouldn't have lasted much longer in the sandbox. Eve has a way of chewing up and spitting out those not equipped to handle it.
With that in mind, doubt he much of an asset to EVE. His possessions are clearly much better off in someone else's hands.
Also, do they still call them 'bonus rooms'? That is SO six months ago. And this thread is SO three months ago. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Absolutely Not Analt
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
125
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Posted - 2014.09.15 18:28:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Herr Wilkus wrote:I'm pretty sure your friend wouldn't have lasted much longer in the sandbox. Eve has a way of chewing up and spitting out those not equipped to handle it.
With that in mind, doubt he much of an asset to EVE. His possessions are clearly much better off in someone else's hands.
Also, do they still call them 'bonus rooms'? That is SO six months ago. And this thread is SO three months ago.
There'e a necromancer among us. Eve is a multi player game.-áAnd you are the content. - Ralph King-Griffin Being meh at two things is not better than being great at one. - Lugh Crow-Slave
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2014.09.15 19:23:00 -
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hetty B wrote: And i know those Cyber bullies like to record there hilarious bonus rounds ,does anyone know where we can find them to listen to it as we would like to determine how serious this one is ?
Maybe they like recording that, however they learned not to boast about it everywhere. However, the only thing he can do is file it to CCP.
But i don't think much will happen. The erotica ban was not about a bonus room per se, it was about the long time sadism the victim experienced. Hard to proof and to be honest, he was really dumb.
If he can't HTFU he needs to leave. What scam might he fall next time?
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Arkus Kane
UNN Heavy Industries
11
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Posted - 2014.09.15 19:42:00 -
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I had to Google what this scam is. IMO it's pretty cruel and unreasonable since it revolves around humiliating the victim first and foremost rather than making profit through their hubris and greed.
I can actually respect people who craft a masterful scam to make money. Not so much people who do dumb contract scams, corp theft or simply want to make people feel really awful for the hell of it.
HOWEVER...at the same time, I cannot believe that people are stupid enough to fall for it.
Right from the moment you start EVE you should know that people can and will screw you over at any opportunity. To be dumb enough to give someone your API AND contract them all your stuff is just breathtaking.
In real life, would you walk up to a shifty man in the street and give him your car keys, house keys, clothes, financial details and ID? Because if you would, you'd probably be certifiably insane in addition to being ripe for this scam. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1396
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Posted - 2014.09.15 20:30:00 -
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Arkus Kane wrote:I had to Google what this scam is. IMO it's pretty cruel and unreasonable since it revolves around humiliating the victim first and foremost rather than making profit through their hubris and greed.
I can actually respect people who craft a masterful scam to make money. Not so much people who do dumb contract scams, corp theft or simply want to make people feel really awful for the hell of it.
HOWEVER...at the same time, I cannot believe that people are stupid enough to fall for it.
Right from the moment you start EVE you should know that people can and will screw you over at any opportunity. To be dumb enough to give someone your API AND contract them all your stuff is just breathtaking.
In real life, would you walk up to a shifty man in the street and give him your car keys, house keys, clothes, financial details and ID? Because if you would, you'd probably be certifiably insane in addition to being ripe for this scam. I touched on this in the Erotica 1 post. Surely Sohkar can THANK Erotica 1 in the future, when he goes to nagotiate his first RL mortgage, car loan or seeks investment advice. Won't he be much more likely to read the fine print and embrace 'buyer beware' and not be really scammed in the future, thanks to the lesson Erotica 1 taught him in game?
That is the beautiful transmogrification here many miss in their demonization of in-game 'griefers'. Gaming victimization tears are like a caterpillar, that will one day become a real-life 'disaster averted' success story butterfly.
Beautiful. ::sniff::
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6176
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Posted - 2014.09.15 21:22:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Arkus Kane wrote:I had to Google what this scam is. IMO it's pretty cruel and unreasonable since it revolves around humiliating the victim first and foremost rather than making profit through their hubris and greed.
I can actually respect people who craft a masterful scam to make money. Not so much people who do dumb contract scams, corp theft or simply want to make people feel really awful for the hell of it.
HOWEVER...at the same time, I cannot believe that people are stupid enough to fall for it.
Right from the moment you start EVE you should know that people can and will screw you over at any opportunity. To be dumb enough to give someone your API AND contract them all your stuff is just breathtaking.
In real life, would you walk up to a shifty man in the street and give him your car keys, house keys, clothes, financial details and ID? Because if you would, you'd probably be certifiably insane in addition to being ripe for this scam. I touched on this in the Erotica 1 post. Surely Sohkar can THANK Erotica 1 in the future, when he goes to nagotiate his first RL mortgage, car loan or seeks investment advice. Won't he be much more likely to read the fine print and embrace 'buyer beware' and not be really scammed in the future, thanks to the lesson Erotica 1 taught him in game? That is the beautiful transmogrification here many miss in their demonization of in-game 'griefers'. Gaming victimization tears are like a caterpillar, that will one day become a real-life 'disaster averted' success story butterfly. Beautiful. ::sniff:: F
No we must baby people through life because everything else can cause psychological stress. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9775
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Posted - 2014.09.15 21:55:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote: No we must baby people through life because everything else can cause psychological stress.
Also, we should ban PvP in highsec, because any situation which can potentially cause loss brings out the badfeelz.
/s "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909
The Conference Elite CODE.
263
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Posted - 2014.09.15 22:29:00 -
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+1 for everything! It has aged like a fine wine and cheese... and now just tastes better. Vintage tears are so great! NOMNOMNOM! The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |
Anal Canal
The Conference Elite CODE.
318
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Posted - 2014.09.15 22:29:00 -
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+1 for everything! It has aged like a fine wine and cheese... and now just tastes better. Vintage tears are so great! NOMNOMNOM! The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |
Arkus Kane
UNN Heavy Industries
12
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Posted - 2014.09.15 22:47:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:I touched on this in the Erotica 1 post. Surely Sohkar can THANK Erotica 1 in the future, when he goes to nagotiate his first RL mortgage, car loan or seeks investment advice. Won't he be much more likely to read the fine print and embrace 'buyer beware' and not be really scammed in the future, thanks to the lesson Erotica 1 taught him in game? That is the beautiful transmogrification here many miss in their demonization of in-game 'griefers'. Gaming victimization tears are like a caterpillar, that will one day become a real-life 'disaster averted' success story butterfly. Beautiful. ::sniff:: F
I think my issue with the Erotica 1 scam (it's unclear if the OP's story is the same in terms of level of victimisation, presumably not) is that it isn't game victimisation, though.
It's real life victimisation posing as game victimisation in order to morally legitimise itself, which is ethically very messed up.
If you're a pirate who demands singing ransoms, that usually lasts about 2 minutes, and if you're a decent pirate you then let your victim go. Even if you blow them up they lose ISK and that's it. It's, at worst, light-hearted short-lived mockery of your victim. That's fine.
If you're a standard scammer, you steal a large amount of ISK and perhaps even mock your victim in-game briefly, but that's it. That's fine.
If you're Erotica 1 you take everything your victim owns (including their character) and make all your profit...
...then you spend 2 solid, excruciating hours making fun of their real life speech impediment, making fun of their wife with your buddies, openly mocking them when they get upset and then threatening them with action from the developers when they start understandably insulting you for all the stuff you've subjected them to. Then you post it online to mock your mark even further.
Which, in my books, goes far FAR beyond any kind of legitimate scam this game should support, and well into sociopathic psychological abuse that doesn't even convey a lesson beyond "people are awful."
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
13013
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Posted - 2014.09.16 05:34:00 -
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Arkus Kane wrote:If you're a pirate who demands singing ransoms, that usually lasts about 2 minutes, and if you're a decent pirate you then let your victim go. Even if you blow them up they lose ISK and that's it. It's, at worst, light-hearted short-lived mockery of your victim. That's fine.
If you're a standard scammer, you steal a large amount of ISK and perhaps even mock your victim in-game briefly, but that's it. That's fine.
If you're Erotica 1 you take everything your victim owns (including their character) and make all your profit...
...then you spend 2 solid, excruciating hours making fun of their real life speech impediment, making fun of their wife with your buddies, openly mocking them when they get upset and then threatening them with action from the developers when they start understandably insulting you for all the stuff you've subjected them to. Then you post it online to mock your mark even further.
If the victim has already surrendered his assets, what's the ransom? Why does he try to recover his pixel assets with his RL dignity?
Why do you think someone can forcefully take your adult friend's dignity over teamspeak which he voluntarily joined and can voluntarily quit at any time? How much stuff was it?
Should your friend be treated as a minor and thus receive all the consideration and benefits of one? lol rolling on floor.. i would probably be laughing though.. not crying --Pepper the Penguin ~ And when the seasons change, will you stand by me? ~ |
Arkus Kane
UNN Heavy Industries
12
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Posted - 2014.09.16 07:32:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:If the victim has already surrendered his assets, what's the ransom? Why does he try to recover his pixel assets with his RL dignity?
Why do you think someone can forcefully take your adult friend's dignity over teamspeak which he voluntarily joined and can voluntarily quit at any time? How much stuff was it?
Should your friend be treated as a minor and thus receive all the consideration and benefits of one?
The guy wasn't my friend and I'm not the OP ;)
I'm referring to one of the original victims of this scam which highlighted it's ethical murkiness.
Yes, the victim enters the scam of their own free will, due to foolishness and greed (as with all scams). However, there's a clear moral difference between spending 2 hours recording yourself and your buddies mentally dissecting someone's real life persona with the fake promise of giving them their stuff back and a quick, private "lol, you got scammed sucka" evemail message or something.
If someone were to scam me for my ISK and say: "Arkus Kane is a gullible buffoon", that's fair game.
If someone were to scam me for years of in-game effort and then delight in telling the whole world that and then start laughing at my RL income, looks, choice of romantic partner, intelligence of my kids or whatever...that's different
If you listen to the old "bonus room" recordings, you can tell that the scammers don't really care about the ISK they're making. Their purpose is to methodically make their victim feel as upset and vulnerable as possible in real life using a combo of bully and classical "interrogation" techniques for a prolonged period, which I think is highly unpleasant.
Yeah, it's optional. But you just took everything from someone, and then promised this desperate person that they'd get it back by being utterly humiliated. Then you didn't even hold that promise - pretty low just to get some "luls".
Annnnnyway. Going a bit long-winded in saying all this |
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2014.09.16 08:30:00 -
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It is very easy to say, that sokhar could have left anytime, BUT: The whole thing was a group effort and every time the victim starts to retreat, he will be baitet again with the promise, that he can still win. This promise is not solely uphold by the main-scammer, but by his buddies to. The whole thing is deliberatly humiliating. Any Singransom has better chances to get the ransom back. The e1 bonusroom was never about ransom. Only humiliation. Therefor: ban-hammer Forum Main |
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2014.09.16 09:00:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Why does he try to recover his pixel assets with his RL dignity?
Another of those lies of the humiliators. EvE is not like any other MMO. Pixel Stuffs has values which is for eg calculated when Titans get clashed. But when it is convenient, to cover humiliation, it suddenly gets to "but it is only pixels". Well Suiccied Ganker will never get attached to their cheap catalysts, but others put a lot of "virtu"-sweat into gaining "shiny ships" and stuff.
Even in WoW stuff has more virtual value to the player, but no Player in WoW can get really bankrupt. In EvE you can get bankrupt. This fact makes you more aware to losses.
AND: again, this is a planned game of humiliation, where hopes of the victims will be pushed up and crushed again and again. Forum Main |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
13137
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Posted - 2014.09.16 11:23:00 -
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Arkus Kane wrote:
The guy wasn't my friend and I'm not the OP ;)
Oh dear.. do forgive me. I totally mistook you for OP.. the metal plate in the head, staunch expression. I do apologize.
Quote:Yes, the victim enters the scam of their own free will, due to foolishness and greed (as with all scams). However, there's a clear moral difference between spending 2 hours recording yourself and your buddies mentally dissecting someone's real life persona with the fake promise of giving them their stuff back and a quick, private "lol, you got scammed sucka" evemail message or something. If someone were to scam me for my ISK and say: "Arkus Kane is a gullible buffoon", that's fair game. If someone were to scam me for years of in-game effort and then delight in telling the whole world that and then start laughing at my RL income, looks, choice of romantic partner, intelligence of my kids or whatever...that's different
Maybe it's not clear which case of the Bonus Room you are referring to. Is it Sohkar's?
Let me point out two specific things you're saying here (see emphasis).
1. Listen to the recording again (almost universally is the case that people haven't listened to the whole thing). The scammers go to great pains to completely keep RL things out of the discussion. They're absolutely not interested in RL anything. The only person who brings RL into it is the so-called victim. I'll link this again, since a few people seem to think they are crusaders for victims who need their help.
2. I see no instance at all where this has happened, in relation to the topic.
Sohkar said:
Quote:He [...] says that he should technically be banned for the things he said himself while raging [...] if the recording is considered legit evidence for TOS violations.
Sohkar rejects the claims that he was tortured. He got angry. He points out that after Ripard's blog post, he tried to reach out and talk to Ripard and sent him an eve-mail. Ripard has still not responded to him after several days.
Arkus Kane wrote:If you listen to the old "bonus room" recordings, you can tell that the scammers don't really care about the ISK they're making. Their purpose is to methodically make their victim feel as upset and vulnerable as possible in real life using a combo of bully and classical "interrogation" techniques for a prolonged period, which I think is highly unpleasant.
Emphasis mine. Again with three key differences: 1. The victim is not of a diminished mental state that you can argue presents a situation that would cause any legal trouble in RL (ie: victim is not a minor)
2. The victim is not physically coerced or restricted. He is free to leave anytime
3. You can argue the victim is mentally bound there, but I reject this argument because #1 and because the total worth of all his stuff is ~$30. This is an insignificant amount of stuff from an RL point of view no matter how you look at it. If for some reason it is not insignificant, the victim handed it to the scammer themselves, by their own choice.
Quote:But you just took everything from someone
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If intelligence agencies use very similar strategies to break people mentally IRL (humiliation, shaming, further coercion through greed etc., false promises, very long dialogues with multiple anonymous "interrogators")
No, they took some pixel stuff from someone. The act of removing ones possessions is no different than being shot up in the last ship you can afford.
None of these strategies are strategies without physical coercion. There are no RL relationships, assets being threatened (ie: none whatsoever). The victim is not physically restrained. Your analogy is disingenuous. lol rolling on floor.. i would probably be laughing though.. not crying --Pepper the Penguin ~ And when the seasons change, will you stand by me? ~ |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
13137
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Posted - 2014.09.16 11:30:00 -
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La Rynx wrote:It is very easy to say, that sokhar could have left anytime, BUT: The whole thing was a group effort and every time the victim starts to retreat, he will be baitet again with the promise, that he can still win. This promise is not solely uphold by the main-scammer, but by his buddies to. The whole thing is deliberatly humiliating. Any Singransom has better chances to get the ransom back. The e1 bonusroom was never about ransom. Only humiliation. Therefor: ban-hammer
Read the article I've linked that includes Sohkar's opinion on the matter. He disagrees with you. The so-called victim's abhorrent racist behavior is something you seem to conveniently excuse. Maybe you're ok with slurs or have a bias yourself?
The reasons you state for the official action are incorrect. It tells me your limited understanding of the matter.
La Rynx wrote: Another of those lies of the humiliators. EvE is not like any other MMO. Pixel Stuffs has values which is for eg calculated when Titans get clashed. But when it is convenient, to cover humiliation, it suddenly gets to "but it is only pixels". Well Suiccied Ganker will never get attached to their cheap catalysts, but others put a lot of "virtu"-sweat into gaining "shiny ships" and stuff.
Even in WoW stuff has more virtual value to the player, but no Player in WoW can get really bankrupt. In EvE you can get bankrupt. This fact makes you more aware to losses.
AND: again, this is a planned game of humiliation, where hopes of the victims will be pushed up and crushed again and again.
The fact that the person losing a game is also losing their emotional composure does not change the fact that "only pixels" are lost. You are showing your true colors with your rant that now extends to ganking? Your "virtu" sweat is your business. Stop flying ships you can't afford to lose, and stop handing over your EVE life savings to a scammer. Worse yet, stop expecting sympathy because you did either of these things and decided to blow your top over it.
lol rolling on floor.. i would probably be laughing though.. not crying --Pepper the Penguin ~ And when the seasons change, will you stand by me? ~ |
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