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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 13/06/2006 23:11:30
Since Oveur (I believe) once said they where more inclided to respond to polite posts rather that 7 page flame fests I figured Id give this a shot, because id really like an answer.
The recent intervention of a player IPO scam has come to a shock to me ( and apparently quite a few others). Eve, unlike other MMOÆs is a cold, dark universe where people without common sense literally canÆt survive. Which for me is one of the key reasons i love eve so much.
This can be witnessed by the fact that CCP allows players to scam other players (As long as it does not involve Out of Game Currency). Scamming, is by CCP defined as the following:
Quote: What exactly is a scam?
A scam is when someone tries to use another playerÆs trust, confuse him and/or take advantage of his ignorance, to cheat him out of his possessions. When this happens, a GM will not be able to assist you.
So we are obviously wondering, what makes this IPO different? Someone convinced a large group of players to transfer him money, all based on said person telling them theyÆll make money off it. These players believe him (Note the æuse another playerÆs trust, confuse him and/or take advantage of his ignoranceÆ part) and transfer said person large sums of money.
WeÆre all dieing to know what the reason for the refund, the IPO falls within the above quote, which comes straight from the Ask a Question section.
IÆd also like to know if this is a one time event or whether CCP is going to lay the smack down on a (while annoying and not very nice) fairly unique part of Eve, or the entire MMOÆ industry for that matter.
I would also like to request that this topic isnÆt used to discuss the refund, as it would result in a flame fest and prolly decrease the chances of CCP actually responding. -----
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Hey You
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:15:00 -
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I fully support this topic. I, also, would like to know. ------------------------------
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Tristan Acoma
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:17:00 -
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/signed
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sableye
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:18:00 -
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I know nothing about this story but did he use forums to scam as I don;nt think thats allowed.
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knifee
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:20:00 -
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mmmm it would be nice to see a reply to this, scamming - as much as i dont like it - is another part of PVP in eve. Will corp theft be reimbersed now? or escrow scams? where is the line drawn now?
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Wanoah
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:22:00 -
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This does seem to be setting a precedent, doesn't it? CCP/GMs haven't interfered with scams before unless there was real money involved. Scams that utilise in-game tools and the forums have always been fair game, so what's different in this case?
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ArmageddonX
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:28:00 -
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So if I get killed because a Pirate tricked me I can get my stuff back??? Or... am I not undertstanding this right.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:31:00 -
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Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 13/06/2006 23:32:56 I forgot, I need to be more cuddly when dealing with CCP.
Doesn't really matter what they so they. What they did was wrong. And if there is a rule that supports their actions then it should also be changed.
Shamis
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Hey You
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:32:00 -
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I would also like to request that this topic isnÆt used to discuss the refund, as it would result in a flame fest and prolly decrease the chances of CCP actually responding. ------------------------------
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Hey You
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: sableye I know nothing about this story but did he use forums to scam as I don;nt think thats allowed.
Read the other topic. Discussing the re-imbursement isn't what this topic is for.
(I am defending this topic! W00t.) ------------------------------
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:37:00 -
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if this is so, then I wanna know to. Where is the line drawn? as I understood in worst case scenario when one scams on the forums, is that they would loose their rights to use the forums!?
And we are getting Kali contracts.
Not to mention even a legit IPO can fail, one that isnt a scam.
If this have happen, I hope CCP/GM's atleast lay out a set of rules for everyone to learn.
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Prohibited
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:49:00 -
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All these threads and no offical responce from CCP.
Comeon, its not like no CCP staff have read any of these threads yet.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Prohibited All these threads and no offical responce from CCP.
Comeon, its not like no CCP staff have read any of these threads yet.
CCP has a policy about not responding to my threads or bug reports. Nothing new here. I'm not cuddly enough. This thread has a chance though.
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:53:00 -
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well they will most likely reply to one fo the threads. But its very very late over here Most likely tomorrow, my time that is...
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shwarzkauph
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:55:00 -
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seems like 95% of the Eve community now days are nothing but mean spirited players. I cant believe all of you are Pro Scam. I very much hope that you all lose all your RL 401k and other retirement and or investments when the next pro scam kenneth lay Enron type, business person/corportation decides they want to scam.
In real life scammers go to prison when caught. This is a video game, not a damn thing will happen here. Many of you want the game to work it out. How exactly is the game going to "work it out" THe dishonest scammer gets podded a few time? He transfers the money to another account? How is the game going to work it out?
You are all very mean spirited and unthoughtful individuals and you should be ashamed of yourselves. I am actually, for the first time in 3 years, ashamed to be a member of the EVE community, a very pro scam and theivery community.
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Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.06.13 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: shwarzkauph seems like 95% of the Eve community now days are nothing but mean spirited players. I cant believe all of you are Pro Scam. I very much hope that you all lose all your RL 401k and other retirement and or investments when the next pro scam kenneth lay Enron type, business person/corportation decides they want to scam.
In real life scammers go to prison when caught. This is a video game, not a damn thing will happen here. Many of you want the game to work it out. How exactly is the game going to "work it out" THe dishonest scammer gets podded a few time? He transfers the money to another account? How is the game going to work it out?
You are all very mean spirited and unthoughtful individuals and you should be ashamed of yourselves. I am actually, for the first time in 3 years, ashamed to be a member of the EVE community, a very pro scam and theivery community.
It's a game, we don't play it to switch it to easy mode. What do you suggest? All IPOs must make money and no risk? Fair enough. FREE MONEY FOR ALL.
Maybe you'd prefer the wow community.
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Gift
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Posted - 2006.06.14 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: shwarzkauph seems like 95% of the Eve community now days are nothing but mean spirited players. I cant believe all of you are Pro Scam. I very much hope that you all lose all your RL 401k and other retirement and or investments when the next pro scam kenneth lay Enron type, business person/corportation decides they want to scam.
In real life scammers go to prison when caught. This is a video game, not a damn thing will happen here. Many of you want the game to work it out. How exactly is the game going to "work it out" THe dishonest scammer gets podded a few time? He transfers the money to another account? How is the game going to work it out?
You are all very mean spirited and unthoughtful individuals and you should be ashamed of yourselves. I am actually, for the first time in 3 years, ashamed to be a member of the EVE community, a very pro scam and theivery community.
That may be so, but I'm more proud than ever. Keep your insults away from this thread please, I would prefer this thread to stay clean and informative. Sawa's Graphic Fun Time
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.06.14 00:01:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Juri on 14/06/2006 00:01:42
Originally by: shwarzkauph seems like 95% of the Eve community now days are nothing but mean spirited players. I cant believe all of you are Pro Scam. I very much hope that you all lose all your RL 401k and other retirement and or investments when the next pro scam kenneth lay Enron type, business person/corportation decides they want to scam.
In real life scammers go to prison when caught. This is a video game, not a damn thing will happen here. Many of you want the game to work it out. How exactly is the game going to "work it out" THe dishonest scammer gets podded a few time? He transfers the money to another account? How is the game going to work it out?
You are all very mean spirited and unthoughtful individuals and you should be ashamed of yourselves. I am actually, for the first time in 3 years, ashamed to be a member of the EVE community, a very pro scam and theivery community.
You are evil. This is a "GAME"!!! okey plz dont wish for ppl's deaths and such in RL. Thats just wrong.
Besides this game is more like the wild west, not RL in the 21st century. And im not pro but not con either. And im a nice guy, really!
edit; no flame.
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Raven Aure
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Posted - 2006.06.14 00:03:00 -
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As far as I am aware, CCP are actually towing a line they have always gone along.
The mods have frequently stated that whilst scamming is an integral part of EVE, it is strictly prohibited on the EVE-Online forums. This covers GTC scams as well as things like IPOs and auctions. As such they refund where evidence of a scam is conclusive.
I'll try and dig some linkage out now. ______________________ 106 days and still a hijack virgin... Cherry popped! ~kieron
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Scorpyn
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Posted - 2006.06.14 00:04:00 -
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I'd also like to know what's going on etc please
Will there be a change in the rules? What special circumstance(s?) caused this course of action?
Originally by: Pepperami Edited by: Pepperami on 13/06/2006 23:58:18 *EDIT* sorry shwarzkauph, I didn't realise this was the polite thread, please post what you posted in the other thread on this topic so I can flame you there, thx
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shwarzkauph
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Posted - 2006.06.14 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Pepperami Edited by: Pepperami on 13/06/2006 23:58:18 maybe you should try the WOW community
for some reason I was expecting a response like this.
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.06.14 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Raven Aure As far as I am aware, CCP are actually towing a line they have always gone along.
The mods have frequently stated that whilst scamming is an integral part of EVE, it is strictly prohibited on the EVE-Online forums. This covers GTC scams as well as things like IPOs and auctions. As such they refund where evidence of a scam is conclusive.
I'll try and dig some linkage out now.
for characters and GTC sales. But I believe when it comes to other scams you dont get a reimbursement. Worst that could happen was character forum banning!?
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Tristan Acoma
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Posted - 2006.06.14 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: shwarzkauph seems like 95% of the Eve community now days are nothing but mean spirited players. I cant believe all of you are Pro Scam. I very much hope that you all lose all your RL 401k and other retirement and or investments when the next pro scam kenneth lay Enron type, business person/corportation decides they want to scam.
In real life scammers go to prison when caught. This is a video game, not a damn thing will happen here. Many of you want the game to work it out. How exactly is the game going to "work it out" THe dishonest scammer gets podded a few time? He transfers the money to another account? How is the game going to work it out?
You are all very mean spirited and unthoughtful individuals and you should be ashamed of yourselves. I am actually, for the first time in 3 years, ashamed to be a member of the EVE community, a very pro scam and theivery community.
Uh, don't be silly - there are plenty of " " out there. Just like there are " ". People just want to be able to persue their char's chosen path.
Only fools tie real-life into game-life in any real way.
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Hey You
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Posted - 2006.06.14 00:07:00 -
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Edited by: Hey You on 14/06/2006 00:10:28 Edited by: Hey You on 14/06/2006 00:09:37 Edited by: Hey You on 14/06/2006 00:08:34
Originally by: Raven Aure As far as I am aware, CCP are actually towing a line they have always gone along.
The mods have frequently stated that whilst scamming is an integral part of EVE, it is strictly prohibited on the EVE-Online forums. This covers GTC scams as well as things like IPOs and auctions. As such they refund where evidence of a scam is conclusive.
I'll try and dig some linkage out now.
The thing is, scams, as stated in some rule that's been posted a ton, are not supposed to involve GMs. And this one was. Why, we ask? Why? Rogue GM? Or a change in policy?
A scam is when someone tries to use another playerÆs trust, confuse him and/or take advantage of his ignorance, to cheat him out of his possessions. When this happens, a GM will not be able to assist you.
And I'm pretty damn sure that getting re-imbursement for being stupid and getting scammed is assiting you. ------------------------------
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CreatorOfLife
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Posted - 2006.06.14 00:08:00 -
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I have never scammed or benefited from scamming, but even I agreethat a game where people are allowed to pvp how they want and use trickery how they want, as long as they dont abuse bugs or hack, is a very healthy game.
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Raven Aure
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Posted - 2006.06.14 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Juri
Originally by: Raven Aure As far as I am aware, CCP are actually towing a line they have always gone along.
The mods have frequently stated that whilst scamming is an integral part of EVE, it is strictly prohibited on the EVE-Online forums. This covers GTC scams as well as things like IPOs and auctions. As such they refund where evidence of a scam is conclusive.
I'll try and dig some linkage out now.
for characters and GTC sales. But I believe when it comes to other scams you dont get a reimbursement. Worst that could happen was character forum banning!?
Well I have the answer.
Linkage and I quote:
Originally by: Zhuge Liang 5. Posting scam auctions and sales are not permitted here.* ..... *Clarification: Scams involving characters transfers and ETC's are not allowed and will have repercussions in game. Other scams MAY have in game repercussions, at the GMs discretion.
That answers the OP's question I believe. ______________________ 106 days and still a hijack virgin... Cherry popped! ~kieron
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Daddy's Princess
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Posted - 2006.06.14 00:09:00 -
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What is going on is what's been going on since the start of this game with numerous things.
Whine LOUD, and they will come! Unless you're Shamis
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.06.14 00:12:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Juri on 14/06/2006 00:19:27
Originally by: Raven Aure
Originally by: Sir Juri
Originally by: Raven Aure As far as I am aware, CCP are actually towing a line they have always gone along.
The mods have frequently stated that whilst scamming is an integral part of EVE, it is strictly prohibited on the EVE-Online forums. This covers GTC scams as well as things like IPOs and auctions. As such they refund where evidence of a scam is conclusive.
I'll try and dig some linkage out now.
for characters and GTC sales. But I believe when it comes to other scams you dont get a reimbursement. Worst that could happen was character forum banning!?
Well I have the answer.
Linkage and I quote:
Originally by: Zhuge Liang 5. Posting scam auctions and sales are not permitted here.* ..... *Clarification: Scams involving characters transfers and ETC's are not allowed and will have repercussions in game. Other scams MAY have in game repercussions, at the GMs discretion.
That answers the OP's question I believe.
so basically this time the GM felt it was justified, but other times not. And its up to the personal GM in question. Hmm should set a standard on this tbh.
edit; "better"
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Pepperami
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Posted - 2006.06.14 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: shwarzkauph
Originally by: Pepperami Edited by: Pepperami on 13/06/2006 23:58:18 maybe you should try the WOW community
for some reason I was expecting a response like this.
Yeah, because eve is not about giving everyone everything on a plate. Do you have a problem role playing a thief in baldurs gate? or an assassin? or a sword wiedling murderer? or a fairy in wow? no, thought not.
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Hey You
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Posted - 2006.06.14 00:20:00 -
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Edited by: Hey You on 14/06/2006 00:22:09 I don't know, I guess. I've settled down from being PO'd at CCP, to just...just being dissapointed. So it's decided on the flip of a coin, depeneding on who the GM is. Fine. Except GMs play the game, and I have an EXTREME doubt that they wouldn't be affected by their in-game experiences. So..I'm saddened and dissapointed.
So it just comes down to whether the GM was part of the scam, or had a friend who got scammed, I guess. And sense the scam was wide-spread, and many 'famous' people got scammed... ------------------------------
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