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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
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Posted - 2014.06.12 11:17:00 -
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Where do CCP stand on implementing fleet formations into EVE combat?
I remember CCP soundwave saying that he doesn't want to implement them because formation would offer no advantage. I strongly disagree with that statement and feel it would do wonders for fleet combat and move us away from blob warfare and towards more realistic and strategic fights.
So now that soundwave has left CCP, if anyone has any news regarding CCP stance or if you simply have an opinion regarding fleet formation, i would be happy to hear it.
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Grunanca
Doughboys Shadow Cartel
249
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Posted - 2014.06.12 11:20:00 -
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Have X ships keep range 1Km to each other. When they form a nice line, align them all to a celestial at same speed. They are now flying in formation. No need for CCP here. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3779
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Posted - 2014.06.12 11:22:00 -
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Only useful type of formations, imho, are warp-in formations. So instead of a incoherent blob, your fleet gets warped in to tactical positions representing their purpose. Where the respective individuals, squads, wings, etc. are put can be defined by the commander of that tier and uses that one's position as a center for formation layout. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
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Posted - 2014.06.12 11:22:00 -
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Yeah Grunanca, because a conga line is the optimum formation... +1 |
Oxide Ammar
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Posted - 2014.06.12 11:23:00 -
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Grunanca wrote:Have X ships keep range 1Km to each other. When they form a nice line, align them all to a celestial at same speed. They are now flying in formation. No need for CCP here.
Gives us an option to keep in range for multiple ships/objects ..now this is formation. Lady Areola Fappington: -áSolo PVP isn't dead!-á You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
5274
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Posted - 2014.06.12 11:25:00 -
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If we had formations on landing from warp instead of landing in a blob, that would be great. I hear people hate blob warfare - formation warfare would fix that!
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2229
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Posted - 2014.06.12 11:26:00 -
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Maybe you should give a hint about what you think would be a great formation to have, which isn't possible to pull off without CCPs help. The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
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Oxide Ammar
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Posted - 2014.06.12 11:27:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Yeah Grunanca, because a conga line is the optimum formation...
Arrow head formation of Garmur fleet, let us strike fear in enemy's heart while we closing in Lady Areola Fappington: -áSolo PVP isn't dead!-á You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing. |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
858
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Posted - 2014.06.12 11:29:00 -
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I gave this some thought and decided: nah.
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Andiedeath
Sefem Velox Swift Angels Alliance
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Posted - 2014.06.12 11:32:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Only useful type of formations, imho, are warp-in formations. So instead of a incoherent blob, your fleet gets warped in to tactical positions representing their purpose. Where the respective individuals, squads, wings, etc. are put can be defined by the commander of that tier and uses that one's position as a center for formation layout.
+1 for Formations for fleet coming out of warp... Formations in combat are just strange and promotes bots...
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
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Posted - 2014.06.12 11:32:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Only useful type of formations, imho, are warp-in formations. So instead of a incoherent blob, your fleet gets warped in to tactical positions representing their purpose. Where the respective individuals, squads, wings, etc. are put can be defined by the commander of that tier and uses that one's position as a center for formation layout.
That's the kind of thing i would like to see. In addition lets say the FC had the ability to create a custom formation and specify what ships go where. Each class of ship in a mixed fleet (frigates to battleships) could have a designated area that they should be in in relation to the flagship (FC ship), then as the flagship moves, the fleet could move in formation and at the same as the flagship so that the formation is retained.
Obviously, all pilots could break formation at will. +1 |
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
192
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Posted - 2014.06.12 11:34:00 -
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Sadly, there is no "line of sight" concept in Eve. So a formation "feature" for fleet fights would be useless imo. In Eve, you can shoot at your ennemy through an asteroid, a station, even your friend.
The only way I see where fleet formations could make sense in large fights is if CCP removes the ability for an FC to broadcast a specific target AND remove the ability to identify a particular ennemy pilot in veryone's overview.
I do not see make any changes there! |
ChromeStriker
0ne Percent. Odin's Call
734
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Posted - 2014.06.12 11:38:00 -
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Space is too big, our ships too slow, and weapons too weak, to make fomations work.
Formations concentrate a specific action at a specific place, the idea would be to overwhelm a specific point with numbers and firepower and then move on or repeat. But it takes too long for our ships to move between distances so that our enemy cant react, and our weapons take too long to kill a target.
Unless you fundementally change mechanics, peeps will still just face off against each other in the good ol fasioned blob lol
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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters Disturbed Acquaintance
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Posted - 2014.06.12 11:39:00 -
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i like the idea of warp in formations. frigs and close range brawling tanks land in the front, missile boats and mid range craft in the middle...logi and snipes in the back. what's not to like? |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
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Posted - 2014.06.12 11:41:00 -
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^ gets it +1 |
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
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Posted - 2014.06.12 12:11:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:i like the idea of warp in formations. frigs and close range brawling tanks land in the front, missile boats and mid range craft in the middle...logi and snipes in the back. what's not to like?
For a fleet "landing" on a field in a "pre-arranged" formation like you are describing ...that would make a lot of sense !!!
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2014.06.12 12:12:00 -
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Eurydia Vespasian wrote:i like the idea of warp in formations. frigs and close range brawling tanks land in the front, missile boats and mid range craft in the middle...logi and snipes in the back. what's not to like? Never not kitchen sink I suppose. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
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Li Quiao
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.12 12:15:00 -
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Dragon Outlaw wrote:Sadly, there is no "line of sight" concept in Eve.
True, and that does remove one reason for formations.
Quote: So a formation "feature" for fleet fights would be useless imo.
Not true. There may no line of sight, but different elements of your fleet do want to keep different ranges from various elements of the enemy fleet, and from each other. That's the impetus for wanting a formation in Eve. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting Advanced Amateurs
1305
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Posted - 2014.06.12 12:43:00 -
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I'd be happy enough with a setting that affects the range at which you land when squad-warped. |
Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
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Posted - 2014.06.12 12:49:00 -
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Li Quiao wrote:Dragon Outlaw wrote: So a formation "feature" for fleet fights would be useless imo.
Not true. There may no line of sight, but different elements of your fleet do want to keep different ranges from various elements of the enemy fleet, and from each other. That's the impetus for wanting a formation in Eve.
You are right, I was thinking about this with both fleets already landed (and the fight already started or about to start). Didn't think about "pre-arranged" warpins. The thing is however, is that FCs can already tell pilots of particular ship types to land at a certain range. But this is only if fleet members are warping themselves. So there is a limitation. |
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
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Posted - 2014.06.12 12:51:00 -
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Li Quiao wrote:Dragon Outlaw wrote:Sadly, there is no "line of sight" concept in Eve.
True, and that does remove one reason for formations. Quote: So a formation "feature" for fleet fights would be useless imo.
Not true. There may no line of sight, but different elements of your fleet do want to keep different ranges from various elements of the enemy fleet, and from each other. That's the impetus for wanting a formation in Eve.
Agreed. e-war doesn't rely on line of sight and thus, it would benefit from flying in formation. Optimal rage plays a big part in combat so being able arrange ships to suit their optimal range would have its advantages.
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Rubishod
Minmatar Death Squad
27
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Posted - 2014.06.12 12:59:00 -
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Let's say you've a line of brawlers you want in front of the rest so they are closer to the action upon warp in. You can't have a ship warp in at less than 0, so now the most forward ship is at 0, and the rest will come in behind that. Can't you warp to at range now?
If you want someone to warp in on a wing I think that'd be too easily abusable as you start hotdropping one brick in the middle of the fight with sniper and ECM blobs that warp in at 95km to the left, right, above, and below of the single bricked FC.
Haven't you read Ender's Game? Any system that would be set up would be promptly abused and exploited.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.06.12 13:05:00 -
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If you want formation flight, train your guys to do it
Thats how they had to do it in ye olden days when men were men and dreadnoughts were useless massive super-battleships that exploded as soon as a shell went anywhere near them
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Mattias Uta
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2014.06.12 13:06:00 -
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This thread spurred a thought that i'd like to share;
How about a new order, like orbit and keep at range, that instead makes your ship fly at x distance from target, but fly in the direction that the other ship is flying? Obviously you can achieve something similar already with keep at range/orbit, but in my experience they only work best when the ships in question are different sizes, allowing small fast ships to keep near the larger ones. With this new possibility, ships of the same size will be able to stay close to each other, by maintaining direction as well as velocity with their target. Would be great for fast frigs. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
1572
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Posted - 2014.06.12 13:13:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:If you want formation flight, train your guys to do it
Thats how they had to do it in ye olden days when men were men and dreadnoughts were useless massive super-battleships that exploded as soon as a shell went anywhere near them
Simples
That's all well and good but we are talking about a game set thousands of years in the future. Formations would be as much a part of space combat as they are ins modern day naval combat.
next... +1 |
Tricia Killnu
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.06.12 13:46:00 -
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I thought everyone orbits the fleet anchor and shoots the target the FC calls primary. . .
Fleet formations wouldnt really help with that would they? Sometimes you just have to realized you undocked and you suck. . . |
flakeys
Guinea pig inc
2226
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Posted - 2014.06.12 13:48:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote: I remember CCP soundwave saying that he doesn't want to implement them because formation would offer no advantage.
If i recall right the exact term was that fleet formations lacked PSSSSSSSHhhhhhhhh ...
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.12 14:55:00 -
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Mattias Uta wrote:This thread spurred a thought that i'd like to share;
How about a new order, like orbit and keep at range, that instead makes your ship fly at x distance from target, but fly in the direction that the other ship is flying? Obviously you can achieve something similar already with keep at range/orbit, but in my experience they only work best when the ships in question are different sizes, allowing small fast ships to keep near the larger ones. With this new possibility, ships of the same size will be able to stay close to each other, by maintaining direction as well as velocity with their target. Would be great for fast frigs. If you're not flying manually, then you're doing it wrong anyway.
No need for CCP to give pilots with less playerskill help in these regards.
Just learn how to do it right and improve yourself! The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5260
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Posted - 2014.06.12 15:00:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Formations would be as much a part of space combat as they are ins modern day naval combat.
So...
They wouldnt exist at all or be limited to bombarment, logistics and speedboats with machine guns on them
Oh and Super Carriers lol "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.06.12 15:59:00 -
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In a game where I can shoot artillery through a station, through 10 ships and into someone 100km away, why are formations needed beyond purely aesthetic reasons?
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
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