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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
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Posted - 2014.06.12 13:28:00 -
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Its made no difference to fw, its only hindered what people can do.
logisticly its a nightmare and the only kills from it are lol kills when a guy warps to dock and its not a system he owns. Not the huge fight and logistical effort i assume ccp envisaged when they came up with this brilliant plan.
Some people play in low sec because its accessible, they dont have X hours to commit to a roam like 0.0 being able to dock was one of the good things about fw before the change, door bells ring, babies cry, shizz happens. make fw more available again.
yeah i know its a whiny post, but serious did any good come of the change apart from sheer inconvenience? Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2277
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Posted - 2014.06.12 13:34:00 -
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It makes every difference in FW - in my theater. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2669
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Posted - 2014.06.12 13:39:00 -
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docking rights are the only reason why i am in FW. Its also the only aspect what brings meaning to sov. eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
219
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Posted - 2014.06.12 13:43:00 -
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Alright honey show me on the solar system doll where the ihub was bashed? |
Nick Starkey
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
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Posted - 2014.06.12 13:54:00 -
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Docking rights make no real difference tbh. Anything stuck inside flipped stations can be contracted to neutral alts and taken away. It is only a very small incovenience with little practical implications. .. |
Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
217
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Posted - 2014.06.12 14:16:00 -
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Nick Starkey wrote:Docking rights make no real difference tbh. Anything stuck inside flipped stations can be contracted to neutral alts and taken away. It is only a very small incovenience with little practical implications.
Yeah, you know, unless you want to control the system and not go through the hell of living out of a POS. BLFOX is currently recruiting |
Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
1299
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Posted - 2014.06.12 14:16:00 -
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Nick Starkey wrote:Docking rights make no real difference tbh. Anything stuck inside flipped stations can be contracted to neutral alts and taken away. It is only a very small incovenience with little practical implications.
This except I would say its a bigger inconvenience.
Docking rights add an inconvenience to participating in fw. That is all it is.
You want to pvp? Well you have to travel several jumps to get to then enemy and several more back if you need to reship or even repair.
You want to base in a fw system? You have to get an alt account to sit in an empty frigate (save the stabs) and dplex..
Plus this:
ShahFluffers wrote:
Personally? I would just like to see docking restrictions lifted. Yes, from a lore/RP point-of-view it makes sense. Yes, it also does make some groups work together more closely than they would like. But it also prevents people from spreading out within the warzone because no one group can stay online all the time to keep their system from being farmed to vulnerable and captured. This in turn creates "bunker" systems that are nigh impregnable while everything else remains more or less undefended... or groups live just outside the warzone to avoid the lockouts altogether... or people just leave FW and become full pirates because well, having where you can and cannot dock because some people did more PvE than you leaves a bad taste in your mouth and is not the reason you joined the militia in the first place.
It is like 0.0 SOV being decided by how much ratting, anomalies, and mining your alliance does over the others... with ship on ship combat being completely unnecessary or even being discouraged (because you are not ratting, running anomalies, or mining to keep SOV).
Really I still don't see how it makes sense that my own militia won't let me dock in its stations, but whatever. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
1387
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Posted - 2014.06.12 14:22:00 -
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well if you wanted to pvp you could just pirate everyone anyway, its not like nuets are locked out of plexes.
pvping in fw is suffering and this is one of the things thats putting people off. Yeah i know station games happen but not even every station every day all the time etc. Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
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Veskrashen
Justified Chaos
277
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Posted - 2014.06.12 14:28:00 -
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Nick Starkey wrote:Docking rights make no real difference tbh. Anything stuck inside flipped stations can be contracted to neutral alts and taken away. It is only a very small incovenience with little practical implications. Aside from, you know, staging systems and chokepoint systems and mission systems...
Losing docking rights has a huge impact on how things in the warzone flow. Keep it. |
Charlie Firpol
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
231
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Posted - 2014.06.12 14:34:00 -
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Definately keep it. We have finally some kind of a frontline in FW now. Sure, if you lose your staging system your stuff isn-¦t lost as you can contract it to an alt and get it back but you ost your staging system! You have to stage from somewhere else!
That IS a big deal. Keep it. |
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Andre Vauban
Quantum Cats Syndicate Repeat 0ffenders
285
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Posted - 2014.06.12 14:35:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:Its made no difference to fw, its only hindered what people can do.
logisticly its a nightmare and the only kills from it are lol kills when a guy warps to dock and its not a system he owns. Not the huge fight and logistical effort i assume ccp envisaged when they came up with this brilliant plan.
Some people play in low sec because its accessible, they dont have X hours to commit to a roam like 0.0 being able to dock was one of the good things about fw before the change, door bells ring, babies cry, shizz happens. make fw more available again.
yeah i know its a whiny post, but serious did any good come of the change apart from sheer inconvenience?
It is a huge conflict driver and is the main reason people fight tooth and nail over plexes. Without it, there is no reason to take a fight in a plex that you wouldn't otherwise take. Unlike 0.0, if you get locked out of station it is trivial to get your assets out.
QCATS is recruiting:-á https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3896299 |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
1387
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Posted - 2014.06.12 15:00:00 -
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Alts and black frog can move anything anyway, its simply inconvenience hindering battles and plexing not making it more diverse.
Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
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Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
409
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Posted - 2014.06.12 15:10:00 -
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muad dib for the first time in since ever has been hard core plexing like some of us have been for years and doesnt like it. |
Veskrashen
Justified Chaos
277
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Posted - 2014.06.12 15:10:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:Alts and black frog can move anything anyway, its simply inconvenience hindering battles and plexing not making it more diverse. As with many FW issues, you folks on the Amarr / Minmatar front have a different view than us on the Gal/Cal front. In short, you're doing it wrong, and should feel bad.
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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
1387
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Posted - 2014.06.12 15:16:00 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote:muad dib for the first time in since ever has been hard core plexing like some of us have been for years and doesnt like it. OI
I defensive plex not like you wallet lining offensive farming stabbed winged monkeys do for the cash!
u disgust me! Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
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Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
409
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Posted - 2014.06.12 15:24:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:Flyinghotpocket wrote:muad dib for the first time in since ever has been hard core plexing like some of us have been for years and doesnt like it. OI I defensive plex not like you wallet lining offensive farming stabbed winged monkeys do for the cash! u disgust me! http://i.imgur.com/0ifUHQy.jpg |
Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
498
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Posted - 2014.06.12 15:27:00 -
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We are hardcore stabbed alt plexers. No really we are.
Ask Ushra Khan, they will confirm it.
Ask Iron Oxide, they will confirm it
Ask TRIAD, they will confirm it
Ask Biohazard, They will confirm it
Proud Member of 'The HotPocket' Crew. What It's Like in Militia Chat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzYm3ig7tak |
Templar Dane
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
236
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Posted - 2014.06.12 15:31:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:Its made no difference to fw, its only hindered what people can do.
logisticly its a nightmare and the only kills from it are lol kills when a guy warps to dock and its not a system he owns. Not the huge fight and logistical effort i assume ccp envisaged when they came up with this brilliant plan.
Some people play in low sec because its accessible, they dont have X hours to commit to a roam like 0.0 being able to dock was one of the good things about fw before the change, door bells ring, babies cry, shizz happens. make fw more available again.
yeah i know its a whiny post, but serious did any good come of the change apart from sheer inconvenience?
I guess you've never camped a station the morning after flipping a home system.
Good times.
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Radric Davids
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
54
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Posted - 2014.06.12 15:32:00 -
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Part of the point of the docking mechanic is so that if the opposing militia come to camp you into a station in your militia's system, they can't dock up and you can.. it adds some safety to your systems, and also a small advantage to taking fights in your systems |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
395
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Posted - 2014.06.12 18:55:00 -
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Sounds like someone bought something in a system without first checking who held sov there. |
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Nick Starkey
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
58
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Posted - 2014.06.12 20:48:00 -
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Veskrashen wrote:Nick Starkey wrote:Docking rights make no real difference tbh. Anything stuck inside flipped stations can be contracted to neutral alts and taken away. It is only a very small incovenience with little practical implications. Aside from, you know, staging systems and chokepoint systems and mission systems... Losing docking rights has a huge impact on how things in the warzone flow. Keep it.
I forgot about agents. However, the other 2 things are hardly a factor. A staging system can be just about anywhere else with a repair station and having to travel 1-3 extra jumps somewhere isn't a deal breaker as long as they're within JF/carrier range.
Most homesystems are defended for the sake of fightning, not because they are particulary valuable to anyone. .. |
Veskrashen
Justified Chaos
279
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Posted - 2014.06.12 21:07:00 -
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Nick Starkey wrote:Veskrashen wrote:Nick Starkey wrote:Docking rights make no real difference tbh. Anything stuck inside flipped stations can be contracted to neutral alts and taken away. It is only a very small incovenience with little practical implications. Aside from, you know, staging systems and chokepoint systems and mission systems... Losing docking rights has a huge impact on how things in the warzone flow. Keep it. I forgot about agents. However, the other 2 things are hardly a factor. A staging system can be just about anywhere else with a repair station and having to travel 1-3 extra jumps somewhere isn't a deal breaker as long as they're within JF/carrier range. Most homesystems are defended for the sake of fightning, not because they are particulary valuable to anyone. You would think you would have learned something from Eha.... |
Baron' Soontir Fel
Justified Chaos
165
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Posted - 2014.06.12 21:38:00 -
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Nick Starkey wrote:1-3 extra jumps somewhere isn't a deal breaker.
You have no idea how much you are wrong. Eha is literally 2 jumps from Kehjari and we were have a VERY hard time keeping up with re-ships against the Caldari in the same system. When we moved into Villasen, it just became so much easier.
Sure, when you're just living somewhere, Hykanima sounds great. But those 5 jumps to just get into the warzone are a huge block to PvP and re-shipping. Just go ask your officers why you moved into Kinakka instead of staying in Hykanima. Or why you haven't moved back into Innia instead. |
Cromwell Savage
Quantum Cats Syndicate Repeat 0ffenders
185
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Posted - 2014.06.12 21:47:00 -
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I have never been a fan of the docking mechanics. Especially before this latest update to plexes.
If these updates continue to hinder day old douche rocket farmer alts from o-plexing....then it won't be as bad. But leading up to this update....CCP put the cart in front of the horse... |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
220
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Posted - 2014.06.12 22:10:00 -
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Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:Nick Starkey wrote:1-3 extra jumps somewhere isn't a deal breaker. You have no idea how much you are wrong. Eha is literally 2 jumps from Kehjari and we were have a VERY hard time keeping up with re-ships against the Caldari in the same system. When we moved into Villasen, it just became so much easier. Sure, when you're just living somewhere, Hykanima sounds great. But those 5 jumps to just get into the warzone are a huge block to PvP and re-shipping. Just go ask your officers why you moved into Kinakka instead of staying in Hykanima. Or why you haven't moved back into Innia instead. This is true. Before all I needed to do was undock in innia to literally get shot at. Not fun at times but hey INSTANT pvp action. With SNIGG next door on Kinakka and frogmil in eha everyone gets fights anywhere in the 3 systems. If only CCP made innia smaller it would have been perfect. |
Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
1300
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Posted - 2014.06.13 02:14:00 -
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Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:Nick Starkey wrote:1-3 extra jumps somewhere isn't a deal breaker. You have no idea how much you are wrong. Eha is literally 2 jumps from Kehjari and we were have a VERY hard time keeping up with re-ships against the Caldari in the same system. When we moved into Villasen, it just became so much easier. Sure, when you're just living somewhere, Hykanima sounds great. But those 5 jumps to just get into the warzone are a huge block to PvP and re-shipping. Just go ask your officers why you moved into Kinakka instead of staying in Hykanima. Or why you haven't moved back into Innia instead.
At least we agree the no docking rule is a huge block to pvp.
I' m not surprised Gallente are the main proponents of this bad mechanic. They really haven't been in a situation where a large force moved them out. The minmatar in huola have been there for the most part as well but they actually seem sensible enough to realize its not good for the game.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Baron' Soontir Fel
Justified Chaos
165
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Posted - 2014.06.13 02:58:00 -
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Cearain wrote: At least we agree the no docking rule is a huge block to pvp.
I' m not surprised Gallente are the main proponents of this bad mechanic. They really haven't been in a situation where a large force moved them out. The minmatar in huola have been there for the most part as well but they actually seem sensible enough to realize its not good for the game.
No, the no docking rule is the main driving force to PvP. That's the only reason why the Innia-Eha border was so contested for a good 4-5 months.
And a 'large force to move us out'. Do you just ignore TEST and their fleets? |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
940
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Posted - 2014.06.13 03:23:00 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote:muad dib for the first time in since ever has been hard core plexing like some of us have been for years and doesnt like it.
Nope, he wants to get back to the hard-core business of camping his home station with an insta-mach. But know one comes, boo hoo :) |
Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
1300
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Posted - 2014.06.13 03:29:00 -
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Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:Cearain wrote: At least we agree the no docking rule is a huge block to pvp.
I' m not surprised Gallente are the main proponents of this bad mechanic. They really haven't been in a situation where a large force moved them out. The minmatar in huola have been there for the most part as well but they actually seem sensible enough to realize its not good for the game.
No, the no docking rule is the main driving force to PvP. That's the only reason why the Innia-Eha border was so contested for a good 4-5 months. And a 'large force to move us out'. Do you just ignore TEST and their fleets?
Did test move you out? I was not subscribed then so my info is second hand. I did see on the forums something like this:
TEST: Yay we hit tier 4! Gallente: who cares? You didn't kick us out of ____ so we are winning! TEST: Yeah we don't care to kick you out of ____ and don't care that you think we need to do that to win. Gallente: ffs just do it for the fights then!
Then I really don't know what happened to test. Did they put a thousand players in one of your systems and push it? Did Chatgris singlehandedly fight all thousand of them off with nothing but his coercer and a jawbone of an ass?
But here is the faulty assumption. You assume that because there are hot spots now with docking restrictions those hotspots would not exist if the docking restrictions went away. (or at least were somewhat mitigated) But in fact there have always been hotspots in faction war. The only difference was there were also some other places to find pvp. Now its either go to one of 3-5 systems and get blobbed or roam through empty system after empty system. There used to be lots of micro hot spots throughout where you could get some pvp. And you could have bases in different areas so you could reship and get back to the pvp quicker.
Don't get me wrong on the whole I like faction war now more than before inferno. But the docking restriction is not good.
You said it yourself " those 5 jumps to just get into the warzone are a huge block to PvP and re-shipping"
From somone whose exposure to fw is with the militia with the least number of players I can only agree that no docking has been a block to pvp.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Baron' Soontir Fel
Justified Chaos
165
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Posted - 2014.06.13 04:39:00 -
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What I meant was the non-stop fighting in Eha when TEST moved in and tried to flip it. If we wouldn't have been locked out of the system, we probably wouldn't have put near the effort required to save it. We'd just let it flip, stay in system, and flip it back the instant TEST left the area.
There would literally be no reason to even stay in a particular area of low-sec. Almost all the PvP in the Cal/Gal warzone is driven by the station lock-out restrictions. |
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