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Veskrashen
Justified Chaos
282
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Posted - 2014.06.13 20:58:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Looking at the forums I saw many gallente seemed puzzled that Test didn't want to fight in your home systems. Didn't they get it? They were more interested in tiers and lp gains from that than taking some imagined "homeland" that you told them about.
I am just suggesting that perhaps its because you guys have a considerable advantage there. If you didn't have such a big advantage maybe you would have see more offensives. Gallente turtled up and complained that no one wanted to bang their knuckles on your shell. Why should they? You could keep docking there all you wanted but that didn't enable you to prevent them from achieving their goals of taking systems and getting better lp payouts. What you saw was TEST crowing that they had "won" FW because of the loads of LP/isk they were making, and Gallente saying "we'll agree you won as soon as you can actually take something we defend". There was no confusion over their goals, just smack talk over their level of "success" at FW overall.
And hooo, boy... you should take a stroll down memory lane through our killboards. Eha was a non-stop, 23/7 bloodbath for MONTHS while TEST was in FW. You're out of your mind if you think they didn't try to take our homes - we just decided not to let them, numbers and advantages be damned. Had TEST played things differently, they definitely had the mass along with the rest of CalMil to take the warzone... but we were better, and more determined, so they never could.
As in so many ways, you are ill informed about our warzone and the events in it, and draw incredibly erroneous conclusions from those misconceptions. In short, you're bad and should feel bad about it. |
Veskrashen
Justified Chaos
282
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Posted - 2014.06.13 21:00:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:it just removes pvp ability and is govened by farmers!
if fw is just ment to be pve isk fountain just tell us so we can go pirate. thanks. Not governed by farmers, we PvP just fine with the mechanic in place. You're doing it wrong. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
1391
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Posted - 2014.06.13 21:02:00 -
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Veskrashen wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:it just removes pvp ability and is govened by farmers!
if fw is just ment to be pve isk fountain just tell us so we can go pirate. thanks. Not governed by farmers, we PvP just fine with the mechanic in place. You're doing it wrong.
you cannot be serious *throws racket down* Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
572
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Posted - 2014.06.13 21:04:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:Veskrashen wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:it just removes pvp ability and is govened by farmers!
if fw is just ment to be pve isk fountain just tell us so we can go pirate. thanks. Not governed by farmers, we PvP just fine with the mechanic in place. You're doing it wrong. you cannot be serious *throws racket down* Chalk flew up!!!
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
505
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Posted - 2014.06.13 21:18:00 -
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As previously mentioned, docking rights are the only real consequence of Faction Warfare.
The fights over station systems are now the hottest and best (albeit horrible T1 attrition wars) centres for action in the whole FW arena.
Yes, stuff can be slid through the station side door with neutral alts to escape some of the ramifications of losing control of your station which is a good thing unlike being 100% locked out in Null - but it is still a major pain for someone to have to do logistically (which is a nifty consequence/penalty for losing in itself).
Now if only system upgrades actually meant something too there might even be worthwhile fighting over non-station systems too. |
Stalking Mantis
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
503
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Posted - 2014.06.14 08:20:00 -
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This is how you keep a system 1
This is how you keep a system 2
Muad you need to get more active on recruiting some quality folk, you can't do it alone trust me.
We Are Recruiting. Proud Member of 'The HotPocket' Crew. What It's Like in Militia Chat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzYm3ig7tak |
Ribor
Elysian. Heiian Conglomerate
12
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Posted - 2014.06.15 03:49:00 -
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Stupid post. Those of you who say "oh it's not even a real consequence I can get my stuff out on a neutral alt", you're missing the big picture. Sure YOU can get YOUR stuff out but can you organize that at a corp/alliance level and can you stage out of a station you can't enter? No, and I think we all know that the ability to stage out of a invulnerable structure that can hold whatever you need is not minor in any way. If you think stations aren't important, you're stupid or doing it wrong or both.
TL;DR keeping your enemy from staging out of a station is important and the only reason station systems get hotly contested, quit whining. |
Endeveren Erata
State Protectorate Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.06.15 16:04:00 -
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Hoooooooold the phone... My man Muad 'dib is actually working for some isk now?
OMG someone find him a sugar daddy quick this will not end well! |
Luscar Seneca
Elysian. Heiian Conglomerate
5
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Posted - 2014.06.15 22:08:00 -
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Im finding the opinions of the pilots from the amarr/minmatar wz are way off base when it comes to the fw experience in the caldari/gallente wz. To bre honest, the warzone is what you make it. We have plenty of fights because we have willing combatants on both sides of militias. We fight to win without worrying if we lose. We ideally wont suicide welp into eachother but fighting for your home systems forces you to do some crazy ****. Which is a plus for station lockouts being conflict drivers.
Sounds to me like the other warzone is full of pussies that wont engage unless youre sure of victory. Which is sad. Which means youre not really pvp dudes, just want easy ganks. Ive got plenty of respect for my gallente enemies and my caldari bros who fight and make my warzone something awesome to be a part of.
Use the mechanics to your advantage, recruit hard and make some pushes. Try to get 'even' fights before escalating into shinies and big gangs. Change doctrines to combat numbers, bash poses or resources of the enemy. Theres alot if things that can be done to change that warzone, someone has to just start doing it instead of complaining about it. Go have fun doing something different than youre doing now in the wz. Apparently it couldnt get any worse so why not?
Hope you guys figure out a way to make that wz as good an experience as mine. |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
410
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Posted - 2014.06.15 23:07:00 -
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Luscar Seneca wrote:
Sounds to me like the other warzone is full of pussies that wont engage unless youre sure of victory. Which is sad. Which means youre not really pvp dudes, just want easy ganks.
yep this is amarr minmatar fw warzone. our group in sahtogas is the only group in amarr that undocks with the notion of 'what can we undock that is soooo ****** that they think they can kill us and wont run from'
cuz you know if they bring hacs we arnt allowed to bring hacs. we are only allowed to bring t1 cruiser. Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro |
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Luscar Seneca
Elysian. Heiian Conglomerate
5
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Posted - 2014.06.15 23:36:00 -
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Flyinghotpocket wrote: yep this is amarr minmatar fw warzone. our group in sahtogas is the only group in amarr that undocks with the notion of 'what can we undock that is soooo ****** that they think they can kill us and wont run from'
cuz you know if they bring hacs we arnt allowed to bring hacs. we are only allowed to bring t1 cruiser.
Yeah, I spent a few months in minmatar space and it was fairly similar, I still managed to develop decent fights in micro gangs dessie down. Im thinking there must be some way to force them to fight. Do they live in a low sec station? Can you guys put together enough people to flip the system? Im not up to speed with the current goings on but theres been peaks and valleys with the cal/gal wz but when home systems get contested here there is almost always great battles of attrition and fleet doc ship ups and downs for plexes. Bashing pocos or poses?
Somethings gotta give. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
1392
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Posted - 2014.06.15 23:50:00 -
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Having a bad sec status makes this worse as you cant just pop to high sec for your stuff all the time, so the whole station thing can make picking a good place to hole up a problem.
again, fw is so much about the money now than the pvp - just say it. you have alts of hundreds of people investing nothing and changing a pvp side for any that attempts to take fw vaguely seriously.
Why do i care? Why dont i just go pitate? Because i have played FW when it was about the pvp and that was damned good fun, i apologize if im just being a bit nostalgic. Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
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Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
410
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Posted - 2014.06.15 23:54:00 -
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Luscar Seneca wrote:Flyinghotpocket wrote: yep this is amarr minmatar fw warzone. our group in sahtogas is the only group in amarr that undocks with the notion of 'what can we undock that is soooo ****** that they think they can kill us and wont run from'
cuz you know if they bring hacs we arnt allowed to bring hacs. we are only allowed to bring t1 cruiser.
Yeah, I spent a few months in minmatar space and it was fairly similar, I still managed to develop decent fights in micro gangs dessie down. Im thinking there must be some way to force them to fight. Do they live in a low sec station? Can you guys put together enough people to flip the system? Im not up to speed with the current goings on but theres been peaks and valleys with the cal/gal wz but when home systems get contested here there is almost always great battles of attrition and fleet doc ship ups and downs for plexes. Bashing pocos or poses? Somethings gotta give. well we have taken every single home system except 1 and theres about 100 of them in there all the time its p much impossible to take down.
and the only people that say 'lets flip huola' are those that couldnt be ****** to plex it. Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro |
Luscar Seneca
Elysian. Heiian Conglomerate
5
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Posted - 2014.06.16 00:18:00 -
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I know plenty of people that say things like, "i dont plex im only here for the pew' and these folks can eventually be convinced to plex because it will bring fights. I used to be one of those guys like 3 years ago. In my wz youre far more likely to get fights if youre plexing or running around chasing guys out of plexes.
When we were fighting in gall systems outnumbered we employed the sniper corm ******* doctrine for smalls, i know youre a vet so youve got plenty of ideas for fighting outnumbered im sure. The real fight for us was convincing our pilots and militia members to get on board and moving to a close staging system, the logistics, powering through the losses and the EU timezone deplexing your efforts.
Taking one step at a time and seeing those small goals reached really brought up the morale and got others to buy in. The real fight was getting people involved. |
Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
1304
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Posted - 2014.06.16 04:12:00 -
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Ribor wrote:Stupid post. Those of you who say "oh it's not even a real consequence I can get my stuff out on a neutral alt", you're missing the big picture. Sure YOU can get YOUR stuff out but can you organize that at a corp/alliance level and can you stage out of a station you can't enter? No, and I think we all know that the ability to stage out of a invulnerable structure that can hold whatever you need is not minor in any way. If you think stations aren't important, you're stupid or doing it wrong or both.
TL;DR keeping your enemy from staging out of a station is important and the only reason station systems get hotly contested, quit whining.
Stage out of it to do what? Drive your enemy further so they have to travel even further to pvp?
If you just want to stage out of a system for pvp then you can do that in a non fw system and you don't need to dplex. Or of course you can stay out of faction war all together.
Vyktor Abyss wrote:As previously mentioned, docking rights are the only real consequence of Faction Warfare.
Whether or not this is true it's irrelevant. Even if it were the only real consequence of faction war that wouldn't mean its a good mechanic.
Stalking Mantis
Those videos are over a year old. Sure there might be some great battles 2 or 3 times a year. But most days you see fw players holding home systems by putting their alts in empty frigates and dplexing. I don't think youtube would have the bandwidth to show all the times systems are held that way.
Veskrashen
I know what I saw. And it was test saying they didn't care about fighting in your home systems. They were interested in the goals set up by ccp in the mechanics - like tiers and lp gains. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Repeat 0ffenders
942
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Posted - 2014.06.16 04:40:00 -
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Cearain wrote:I don't think
The most accurate post you have ever made! |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Drunk 'n' Disorderly
356
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Posted - 2014.06.16 06:19:00 -
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Cearain wrote: Im so outa touch with other FW players i just babble
Yup we know GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
David Devant
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
160
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Posted - 2014.06.16 07:56:00 -
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Completely disagree with the op. Now that systems are actually defensible, lockouts have become the most important aspect of sov. If I keep you out of 24th Imperial stations and keep TLF ones open I get access to the isk fountain and you do not. It also means (potentially) that the pvpers can begin to direct the actions of the farmers and not the other way around. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1561
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Posted - 2014.06.16 08:40:00 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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