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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
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Posted - 2014.06.13 13:48:00 -
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Eddard Licinius wrote:and currently waiting on training for mining barge and post-BC ships.
Don't move too far too soon.
Make sure you got your support skills up and fly frigates and cruisers untill then... They're more effective than larger ships at the things you want to do (or can do) untill you have your support skills at a decent level.
Just saying :)
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2258
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Posted - 2014.06.13 14:09:00 -
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Reiisha wrote:Eddard Licinius wrote:and currently waiting on training for mining barge and post-BC ships. Don't move too far too soon. Make sure you got your support skills up and fly frigates and cruisers untill then... They're more effective than larger ships at the things you want to do (or can do) untill you have your support skills at a decent level. Just saying :) Quoting for truth.
Don't let griefers tell you to skill to bigger ships fast, they just want to ruin your game. The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
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Chuk Ormand
El Diablo De Verde Mech Alliance
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Posted - 2014.06.13 14:16:00 -
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Welcome back to EVE!! A positive attitude is always a plus. I'm a 2 year player and still love EVE. I pretty much play as a loner and belong to a small corp. Most of the members are independent but we occasionally mine together. Some pve/pvp together but i usually solo manufacture, research and trade. My corp's standings allow me my own pos with 3 research labs. I have 2 main characters with 4 alts. All are trained at lvl5 manufacturing skills. The alts are in their own corp. I have had 50+ manufacturing slots running at once with them all.
I have gotten better at studying and knowing the markets. Most everything i manufacture gets minimum 20% profit. Many items get much much more! I made a fortune last year making and selling containers. Simple tech 1 stuff but i sold billions worth of enormous containers everywhere. At that time i was making 300% profit on them and i sold thousands. Now they aren't very profitable at all. I have seen things cycle from good to bad..........you have to learn when to ride the wave. I have made billions manufacturing and selling tech 1 stuff. You just have to study before you build.
I have had my share of losses. It sucks when you lose a hauler full of your goods. Sometimes it was me being careless. Sometimes it was a random ganker. I seldom use my Obelisk with a full cargo anymore. I try to haul everything in high sec with itty 5's. They are disposable and cheap and you can only lose 38k cargo!!! I consider myself self-insured since i never let my 2 mains wallets fall below 5 billion isk.
I wouldn't mind chatting with other solo indy's. I can't reveal all my secrets but probably have some experience to share. I think there are a lot of independents in EVE. Such a vast pool of knowledge that should be utilized. Best wishes. -chuk |
Eddard Licinius
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2014.06.13 14:33:00 -
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Chuk Ormand wrote:Welcome back to EVE!! A positive attitude is always a plus. I'm a 2 year player and still love EVE. I pretty much play as a loner and belong to a small corp. Most of the members are independent but we occasionally mine together. Some pve/pvp together but i usually solo manufacture, research and trade. My corp's standings allow me my own pos with 3 research labs. I have 2 main characters with 4 alts. All are trained at lvl5 manufacturing skills. The alts are in their own corp. I have had 50+ manufacturing slots running at once with them all.
I have gotten better at studying and knowing the markets. Most everything i manufacture gets minimum 20% profit. Many items get much much more! I made a fortune last year making and selling containers. Simple tech 1 stuff but i sold billions worth of enormous containers everywhere. At that time i was making 300% profit on them and i sold thousands. Now they aren't very profitable at all. I have seen things cycle from good to bad..........you have to learn when to ride the wave. I have made billions manufacturing and selling tech 1 stuff. You just have to study before you build.
I have had my share of losses. It sucks when you lose a hauler full of your goods. Sometimes it was me being careless. Sometimes it was a random ganker. I seldom use my Obelisk with a full cargo anymore. I try to haul everything in high sec with itty 5's. They are disposable and cheap and you can only lose 38k cargo!!! I consider myself self-insured since i never let my 2 mains wallets fall below 5 billion isk.
I wouldn't mind chatting with other solo indy's. I can't reveal all my secrets but probably have some experience to share. I think there are a lot of independents in EVE. Such a vast pool of knowledge that should be utilized. Best wishes. -chuk
Sounds like you have it all figured out! Eventually I want to get into manufacturing and turn a profit. Having billions of isk is great. While I only have fifty million, I know that if I learn from my betters and pay attention when certains items are trending, I can win.
But also, it seems EVE is about the journey. End game is what you make it. It could be mining, hauling, pvp, or exploring null sec wormholes. Most games seem to revolve around the instant gratification "you'll be happy when you get to this level" mentality. Eve says "you'll be happy if you wish to be" and that is a pretty good replica of how real life works. We all struggle with different dilemmas, but we can choose to be happy regardless. I'm a regular philosopher guys. :D
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Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2014.06.13 14:54:00 -
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Eddard Licinius wrote:
And I've noticed that whilst humming around in my Venture, people generally ignore me. As I'm sure most would-be pirates have the freight sensors to check my freight, so they realize I don't have much of anything of worth.
Depends on the pirates. Generally speaking though, Ventures are a pain to tackle due to their built-in warp stabilizers and usually don't have much value in them. Make no mistake though, if you made it easier for them to point you down, they'd pop you without a thought.
Eddard Licinius wrote:And I'm sure there are people who are permanently against AFK mining, but I don't really see why they should care. It isn't hurting anything or anyone as far as I can tell.
EVE is a game based entirely around player interactions. The devs don't develop content for us, they just give us the tools to make our own. You have to go out there and find content, be it locking down a market or pew pewing or what have you.
As such, people who provide minimal content are not well-regarded in the game. An afk hisec miner is providing virtually no meaningful interaction for anyone. He's just shooting rocks, out of the way in a belt, not talking to anyone. Then eventually he dumps his load in station and goes out for more. The entirely of his interactions comes in the form of driving down low-end ore prices for people who ARE actually at the keyboard actively playing the game. That's why an entire movement has formed around the concept of getting some content out of hisec miners, and why it's been wildly successful. "EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6732
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Posted - 2014.06.13 15:03:00 -
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Galen Darksmith wrote:
EVE is a game based entirely around player interactions. The devs don't develop content for us, you have to go out there and find it, be it locking down a market or pew pewing or what have you.
As such, people who provide minimal content are not well-regarded in the game. An afk hisec miner is providing virtually no meaningful interaction for anyone. He's just shooting rocks, out of the way in a belt, not talking to anyone. Then eventually he dumps his load in station and goes out for more. The entirely of his interactions comes in the form of driving down low-end ore prices for people who ARE actually at the keyboard actively playing the game. That's why an entire movement has formed around the concept of getting some content out of hisec miners, and why it's been wildly successful.
That's the best explanation I think I've heard of it (especially the part about driving down prices for people who are actually playing). I don't gank or bump or whatever but I'm totally in favor of it and happy the game allows that kind of unwanted interaction.
The idea that the 'afk miner' isn't hurting anyone ignores the fact that eve in totally interconnected and everything you do affects someone else down the road. If EVE had 'private servers' where you could be separate from everyone else and the isk and items you made on that server could not be transferred out into the wider game, I'd be fine with a no ganking game mechanic (though why you'd have to worry about it on a private server I dunno, maybe choose your friends better lol), your server, your rules (like those sucky 'no heat' servers in the old mechwarrior game i used to play. Not for me but if you like it have at it.
The principle here I think is "if you stand to gain, you should also stand to lose", but the afk miners who get ganked then beg ccp for more protection so they can afk mine want to violate that principle.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5306
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Posted - 2014.06.13 15:07:00 -
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AFK miners encourage others to follow their example, which is a perfect way to get ganked and make your corp look like crap "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "Question asked, insults exchanged, solutions given, face palms had, problem solved, off topic posts posted, thread locked." - ISD Ezwal |
Eddard Licinius
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.13 16:16:00 -
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Those are some interesting viewpoints about AFK mining. It's amazing to me that a game can be this interconnected. I encourage more people to share their viewpoints on that topic (or any really). The more viewpoints I aggregate on any given subject, the better Ican understand the implications of my actions. |
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