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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
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Posted - 2014.06.14 14:32:00 -
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Orthruses? Orthruii Orthrus's
damnit eve, why you so hard to type stuff!!!! Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
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Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
121
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Posted - 2014.06.14 15:05:00 -
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Orthr.
Edit: from a Latin lexicon, not made up. Yes, really. |
Gorn Arming
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
377
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Posted - 2014.06.14 19:06:00 -
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Latin words without meaningful or attested plurals in Latin (e.g. "chimera" or "virus") are normally pluralized according to English convention ("chimeras" or "viruses") when pluralized in English.
It's probably "Orthruses". |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.14 19:08:00 -
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"ah sh*t" is the common vernacular. |
Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
628
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Posted - 2014.06.14 20:46:00 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:Orthr.
Edit: from a Latin lexicon, not made up. Yes, really.
Except it's a greek beast and unique at that. As Gorn said, above, Orthruses would be the most logical plural. |
elitatwo
Congregatio
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Posted - 2014.06.15 05:35:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:Orthruses? Orthruii Orthrus's
damnit eve, why you so hard to type stuff!!!!
Hey if you say something like 'I got two of the Mordus cruisers', nobody will notice you don't know the plural. signature |
Glathull
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.15 06:27:00 -
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There's a simple rule for this problem. If a word is so commonly used that you no longer feel the need to italicize it to indicate that it's a foreign word, then that word is considered to be anglicized: the normal rules for creating plurals in English apply.
Following this will save you the embarrassment of getting it wrong in the original language and coming across as a pretentious dolt instead of merely a smarty pants.
People do this all the time and completely miss the mark. They say things like octopi, thinking the word has a Latin root. It's Greek. The correct Greek plural is octopodes. But the correct English plural is octopuses.
So apply the test here. Do you italicize orthrus to indicate it is a foreign word? No.
Orthruses. Turrents |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
283
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Posted - 2014.06.15 09:16:00 -
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Glathull wrote:People do this all the time and completely miss the mark. They say things like octopi, thinking the word has a Latin root. It's Greek. The correct Greek plural is octopodes. That's my line... To clarify (because people generally only ever learn this from the internets and therefore in written form) the 'e' in this case is pronounced so the word is (excuse the crude pseudo-pheonetics) "oc-tO-pO-deez" (in the same way as a brit might refer to Australasia as the antipodes).
My recollection is poor but, while the adoptive rule can apply, we capitalise the word (which has some relevance). I believe there's another rule which could be applied (though I'm not certain by any means). Orthus is a proper name, referring to a unique individual, and therefore would have no plural in Greek. I seem to recall something which allows such names to be their own plural (allowing the plural of Orthus to be Orthus; one Orthus, many Orthus). My recollection is hazy at best and I may be conflating a number of half remembered things so please don't take my word for it... But I like the sound of Orthus as its own plural... |
Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
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Posted - 2014.06.15 09:18:00 -
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Gorn Arming wrote:Latin words without meaningful or attested plurals in Latin (e.g. "chimera" or "virus") are normally pluralized according to English convention ("chimeras" or "viruses") when pluralized in English.
It's probably "Orthruses".
Caitlyn Tufy wrote:Adrie Atticus wrote:Orthr.
Edit: from a Latin lexicon, not made up. Yes, really. Except it's a greek beast and unique at that. As Gorn said, above, Orthruses would be the most logical plural.
After contacting some lovely people, the word is actually Greek and has proper plural of ' Orthr-½ '. It's a common surname apparently. |
Rayzilla Zaraki
Tandokuno
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Posted - 2014.06.15 12:02:00 -
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I believe it is Throatwobbler Mangrove. Gate campers are just Carebears with anger issues. |
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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
1392
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Posted - 2014.06.15 12:13:00 -
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I thought was one of those always plural ones, by its self, like fish. Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
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Marc Durant
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Posted - 2014.06.15 12:34:00 -
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I think the plural is "overpowered bullshit, I bet they have gang links and implants coming out of their ears too" |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
2216
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Posted - 2014.06.15 12:40:00 -
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Lets just call it the Ort.. so then we can' just talk about Ort's BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
1392
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Posted - 2014.06.15 12:45:00 -
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Garviel Tarrant wrote:Lets just call it the Ort.. so then we can' just talk about Ort's
Can we call a gang of them an Ort Cloud? Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
2216
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Posted - 2014.06.15 12:52:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:Lets just call it the Ort.. so then we can' just talk about Ort's Can we call a gang of them an Ort Cloud?
I doubt you will ever see a gang big enough to be a cloud but.. sure BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
Neiana Gan
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.
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Posted - 2014.06.15 16:58:00 -
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Orthrus' |
Paikis
Lycosa Syndicate Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2014.06.15 18:07:00 -
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I love that this thread exists. |
Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2014.06.15 20:51:00 -
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If you see an Orthrus, and another Orthrus, I think you have bigger problems. www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com
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Yazzinra
Scorpion Ventures Rim Worlds Protectorate
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Posted - 2014.06.15 20:59:00 -
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Glathull wrote:There's a simple rule for this problem. If a word is so commonly used that you no longer feel the need to italicize it to indicate that it's a foreign word, then that word is considered to be anglicized: the normal rules for creating plurals in English apply.
Following this will save you the embarrassment of getting it wrong in the original language and coming across as a pretentious dolt instead of merely a smarty pants.
People do this all the time and completely miss the mark. They say things like octopi, thinking the word has a Latin root. It's Greek. The correct Greek plural is octopodes. But the correct English plural is octopuses.
So apply the test here. Do you italicize orthrus to indicate it is a foreign word? No.
Orthruses.
My new grammar ****. thank you.
edit: seriously, **** is censored? heathens. |
Glathull
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.16 05:34:00 -
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Jacob Holland wrote:Glathull wrote:People do this all the time and completely miss the mark. They say things like octopi, thinking the word has a Latin root. It's Greek. The correct Greek plural is octopodes. That's my line... To clarify (because people generally only ever learn this from the internets and therefore in written form) the 'e' in this case is pronounced so the word is (excuse the crude pseudo-pheonetics) "oc-tO-pO-deez" (in the same way as a brit might refer to Australasia as the antipodes). My recollection is poor but, while the adoptive rule can apply, we capitalise the word (which has some relevance). I believe there's another rule which could be applied (though I'm not certain by any means). Orthus is a proper name, referring to a unique individual, and therefore would have no plural in Greek. I seem to recall something which allows such names to be their own plural (allowing the plural of Orthus to be Orthus; one Orthus, many Orthus). My recollection is hazy at best and I may be conflating a number of half remembered things so please don't take my word for it... But I like the sound of Orthus as its own plural...
What a refreshing response. I bow to you good sir. I should say that the adoptive rule is not the only rule that can ever apply. I agree that the proper noun issue can throw some complication into it.
I was making a general point that it is the safest rule to apply. And so long as you follow it, people will be hard pressed and pedantic to really make a case that you are wrong. And more often than not, they will be wrong themselves when they try to correct you.
But in direct response, I would say that the proper noun issue is interesting. How would we talk about more than one Zeus? I think most people would agree on the adoptive rule and call them Zeuses, though that looks and sounds awkward. I don't know, I could see us talking about 4 or 5 Zeus.
I could also get behind the idea of 1 Orthrus and a blob of 20 Orthrus. Turrents |
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Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories Vertical.
628
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Posted - 2014.06.16 10:34:00 -
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I vote for Ort Cloud. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
284
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Posted - 2014.06.16 12:28:00 -
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Glathull wrote:I was making a general point that it is the safest rule to apply. And so long as you follow it, people will be hard pressed and pedantic to really make a case that you are wrong. And more often than not, they will be wrong themselves when they try to correct you.
But in direct response, I would say that the proper noun issue is interesting. How would we talk about more than one Zeus? I think most people would agree on the adoptive rule and call them Zeuses, though that looks and sounds awkward. I don't know, I could see us talking about 4 or 5 Zeus.
I could also get behind the idea of 1 Orthrus and a blob of 20 Orthrus. I agree... and I cannot guarantee that I am not one of those pedants being wrong when they try to correct the safe option
I do like Orthus as the plural - though I hope not to run into that many |
Elusive Panda
Gendry's Leech Eternal Pretorian Alliance
35
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:05:00 -
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The correct spelling for multiple Orthrus is: "GTFO GTFO GTFO GTFO, warp out warp out warp out" |
Bronson Hughes
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Posted - 2014.06.16 16:45:00 -
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Elusive Panda wrote:The correct spelling for multiple Orthrus is: "GTFO GTFO GTFO GTFO, warp out warp out warp out"
I thought it was "Somebody has way too much ISK." Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
I don't avoid getting shot, but I do generally avoid getting shot first. |
Garak n00biachi
Capital Destruction Brig Consortium
137
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:11:00 -
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Its "arthritis"; trust me. |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
713
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Posted - 2014.06.16 21:26:00 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:Orthr.
Edit: from a Latin lexicon, not made up. Yes, really.
I studied Latin. There is no combination of word stem and ending that will produce such a word. Given the entire word "Orthrus", clearly Orthr is just the word stem.
But all of that is moot because...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthrus
Orthrus is a an anglisized version of the Greek Orthros, which is of course a proper noun. It also is a certain genus of spider. But given CCP's inclination to name ships after gods/etc, the mythological creature is clearly the right choice.
Plural nominative 2nd declension masculine Greek nouns end in -oi. So Orthroi is my best guess.
Disclaimer: I did not study Greek. But learning Latin taught me which relevant key-words to google, "Greek noun declensions" in this case, when I want to know similar things about another language.
GÇ£I personally refuse to help AAA take space from itself so it can become an even shittier version of itselfGÇ¥
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Camper101
Nocturnal Romance Cynosural Field Theory.
1006
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Posted - 2014.06.17 12:23:00 -
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Wrecks. 2013.03.01 13:30:58 notify For participating in the General Discussion Forum Section your trustworthiness has been adjusted by -2.5000.
My name is Hans. The "L" stands for danger. |
Mizhir
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
63438
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Posted - 2014.06.17 13:27:00 -
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Watch out! We got a badass over here One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
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Posted - 2014.06.17 18:18:00 -
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One word answers are cool?
I guess im not cool :( Cosmic signature detected. . . . http://i.imgur.com/Z7NfIS6.jpg I got 99 likes, and this post aint one.
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Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
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Posted - 2014.06.18 04:06:00 -
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Garak n00biachi wrote:Its "arthritis"; trust me. No, no, no. Orthritis. And the only cure is to make them pop. As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia |
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