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Zanar Noud
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.14 16:28:00 -
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Probably has been suggested before but i feel like a once a year Skill Remap is almost necessary due to ships and skills changing with every new "expansion" |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.06.14 16:34:00 -
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yes, it comes up pretty much weekly.
i'd tell you why your idea is bad, and you should feel bad. however, searching for it yourself would be better for everyone. |
Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
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Posted - 2014.06.14 16:44:00 -
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Came up thrice in the last 24 hours.
Ends with being closed due to this:
16. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked. As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread.
Use search function, browse a bit, read up on 10 years discussions, then you know how futile it is... until someone has worked all through it and then come up witha better solution.. so good luck. No no expasion so far 'required' a remap, active involvement with the game superceeds most ad hoc suggested changes.
<--- should be the last post to the thread (even I should not have replied, sorry ). |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2014.06.14 16:51:00 -
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No. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1954
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Posted - 2014.06.14 16:51:00 -
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ugh, no. go away. "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
671
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Posted - 2014.06.14 17:05:00 -
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Wouldn't have even given your post the time of day in the past but the way the game has become so flavor of the month lately and the number of times I've spent training up for ages for something only for the prerequisites to change significantly and/or having then trained up something I don't need at all and not likely to ever need due to changes is making me somewhat more inclined to support the idea - its getting a bit tedious that in a game ostensibly about playing the long game actually doing that is more and more often coming back to bite you in the rear. |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
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Posted - 2014.06.14 17:38:00 -
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Not supported.
Now or ever. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Nariya Kentaya
Phoenix funds
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Posted - 2014.06.14 17:44:00 -
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Rroff wrote:Wouldn't have even given your post the time of day in the past but the way the game has become so flavor of the month lately and the number of times I've spent training up for ages for something only for the prerequisites to change significantly and/or having then trained up something I don't need at all and not likely to ever need due to changes is making me somewhat more inclined to support the idea - its getting a bit tedious that in a game ostensibly about playing the long game actually doing that is more and more often coming back to bite you in the rear. how about then, NOT training up for whatever if flavor of the month? train up for one thing, then another, sooner or later something youve trained will become FOTM again. |
Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2014.06.14 18:32:00 -
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No.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
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Posted - 2014.06.14 18:36:00 -
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I have said this before, in similar threads
Eve is about choices and living with the consequences of the choices.
I have seen folks ask to have skills removed because they hate the shame of ever having mined. Others want a remap so they can shift all the points to the flavour of the month or to make a character that will sell better on the character bazaar.
No. Live with what choices you have made and continue on. Learn from the bad choices and revel in the good ones. A change in ships should not give you permission to remap but a new goal to achieve. Something to strive for.
so strive
tl:dr
I won't support this one
m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9 |
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1674
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Posted - 2014.06.14 19:53:00 -
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nope EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2395
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Posted - 2014.06.14 22:52:00 -
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-á --á |
Kaerakh
Surprisingly Deep Hole
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Posted - 2014.06.14 22:52:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Schrodinger's Hot Dropper |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
671
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Posted - 2014.06.15 03:15:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote: Eve is about choices and living with the consequences of the choices.
Except all too often of late it isn't... you make a choice and then 3-4 months down the line CCP changes the goalposts and your living with the consequences of their choices.
Nariya Kentaya wrote: how about then, NOT training up for whatever if flavor of the month? train up for one thing, then another, sooner or later something youve trained will become FOTM again.
Your misunderstanding the perspective I'm coming from a bit - over the years I've had multiple times where I've decided on a goal only to have things change as I'm getting near it i.e. training up a char for dreads w/ a drone skill plan only for them to take drones away from dreads literally the same week as the plan finished (the drone stuff itself had been trained before the changes were announced) on a char that would never have trained drones otherwise and could have been putting that time on the next skill plan instead - one instance of several similar things I've had happen during my time in eve.
Gets to the point I don't want to plan long stuff in the game due to those kind of changes which takes away a massive amount of my interest in the game as I'm NOT a flavor of the month player, I train what interests me and engages me.
EDIT: It is kind of amusing though that my rorqual capable char has almost all red on the prerequisites but can fly a rorqual, kind of starts getting silly with stuff like that after awhile. |
Jur Tissant
Hemah Industries
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Posted - 2014.06.15 03:29:00 -
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Mapping is about making a commitment to a particular style of play. If your chosen skill path is made marginally worse than an alternative it's no big deal. If there's a substantial problem then that's a complaint about the patch itself, not the mechanics of attribute remapping. |
Nariya Kentaya
Phoenix funds
1343
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Posted - 2014.06.15 04:51:00 -
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Rroff wrote:Mike Azariah wrote: Eve is about choices and living with the consequences of the choices.
Except all too often of late it isn't... you make a choice and then 3-4 months down the line CCP changes the goalposts and your living with the consequences of their choices. Nariya Kentaya wrote: how about then, NOT training up for whatever if flavor of the month? train up for one thing, then another, sooner or later something youve trained will become FOTM again.
Your misunderstanding the perspective I'm coming from a bit - over the years I've had multiple times where I've decided on a goal only to have things change as I'm getting near it i.e. training up a char for dreads w/ a drone skill plan only for them to take drones away from dreads literally the same week as the plan finished (the drone stuff itself had been trained before the changes were announced) on a char that would never have trained drones otherwise and could have been putting that time on the next skill plan instead - one instance of several similar things I've had happen during my time in eve. Gets to the point I don't want to plan long stuff in the game due to those kind of changes which takes away a massive amount of my interest in the game as I'm NOT a flavor of the month player, I train what interests me and engages me. EDIT: It is kind of amusing though that my rorqual capable char has almost all red on the prerequisites but can fly a rorqual, kind of starts getting silly with stuff like that after awhile. EDIT2: As I said I'm not really for skill remapping but some changes have certainly made me more favorably disposed towards the topic. Except that WAS FOTM, because dreads with drones were ridiculous. and besides, now you have drone skills trained for whenever there are some nasty drone boats out there (oh look, theres an entire line of pirate ships that turn one drone into like 4 or 5).
Besides, dont worry about "ermahgerd need it at max" until you have most of your core skills at 5 and ship/weapon related skills at 4, being a generalist is quick and allows you to lose very little time when changes happen.
On a side note, why would you even have been wanting to be a dread pilot? ever? dreads suck, and they always have, maybe not for combat, but flying is just bleh (and hey, you can fly CARRIERS now, which are like dreads with drones but harder to kill and have more drones!) |
Iain Cariaba
In Over Our Heads
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Posted - 2014.06.15 07:31:00 -
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Wow, threads with this topic usually don't last this long. ISD must be slacking today. If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong. |
Ceawlin Cobon-Han
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2014.06.15 09:44:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:I have said this before, in similar threads
Eve is about choices and living with the consequences of the choices.
I have seen folks ask to have skills removed because they hate the shame of ever having mined. Others want a remap so they can shift all the points to the flavour of the month or to make a character that will sell better on the character bazaar.
No. Live with what choices you have made and continue on. Learn from the bad choices and revel in the good ones. A change in ships should not give you permission to remap but a new goal to achieve. Something to strive for.
so strive
tl:dr
I won't support this one
m I'll point out that the four races were homogenised because people were complaining how they wanted to use/fly something that benefited more another race from the one they rolled. That change allowed people NOT to live with the consequences of their choices; the four factions are the same. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11942
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Posted - 2014.06.15 09:51:00 -
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Ceawlin Cobon-Han wrote:the four factions are the same.
No they aren't. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1682
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Posted - 2014.06.15 11:40:00 -
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Ceawlin Cobon-Han wrote: I'll point out that the four races were homogenised because people were complaining how they wanted to use/fly something that benefited more another race from the one they rolled. That change allowed people NOT to live with the consequences of their choices; the four factions are the same.
This doesnt work in the same way. Back then ur choice of race permanently affected ur training times. A brutor could never get very high memory, and would always be poor at training some skills compared to other races.
There is nothing like this with skill points. at any time u can stop what ur doing and go down a different path and at no point will u be worse off than others in terms of training.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
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Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
671
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Posted - 2014.06.15 12:31:00 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote: Except that WAS FOTM, because dreads with drones were ridiculous. and besides, now you have drone skills trained for whenever there are some nasty drone boats out there (oh look, theres an entire line of pirate ships that turn one drone into like 4 or 5).
Besides, dont worry about "ermahgerd need it at max" until you have most of your core skills at 5 and ship/weapon related skills at 4, being a generalist is quick and allows you to lose very little time when changes happen.
On a side note, why would you even have been wanting to be a dread pilot? ever? dreads suck, and they always have, maybe not for combat, but flying is just bleh (and hey, you can fly CARRIERS now, which are like dreads with drones but harder to kill and have more drones!)
What I'm talking about is too generalised to apply FOTM to it. That char will never fly drone boats simple as - I have other characters for that.
Why dreads? - wormhole pvp/pve for instance.
Problem is your looking at me as a moderately new to the game single character player - I've several 60+M SP chars (not to mention cyno/scout/hauling alts). |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.06.15 22:40:00 -
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Zanar Noud wrote:Probably has been suggested before Yes, it has. Quite a few times in the recent past actually.
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