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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.06.17 12:45:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Aralyn Cormallen wrote:[EDIT: Between that, and the abomination you guys call chocolate, I don't know how you can be considered a developed country ] They struck out on their own before we invented Belgium to produce decent chocolate for us Uggh American chocolate, smells like vomit, tastes like it has been at the bottom of a filthy vacuum cleaner for weeks
While I fully agree that most American candy is vile, it has nothing on Taiwanese candy. It tastes like barf, looks like birdshit, but the worst part is the aftertaste, which somehow tickles the gag reflex long after you have swallowed it. Pretty sure I could trade a Snickers bar for a human being in Thailand, their candy is so bad. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Ralph King-Griffin
Viziam Amarr Empire
2056
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Posted - 2014.06.17 12:48:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Aralyn Cormallen wrote:[EDIT: Between that, and the abomination you guys call chocolate, I don't know how you can be considered a developed country ] They struck out on their own before we invented Belgium to produce decent chocolate for us Uggh American chocolate, smells like vomit, tastes like it has been at the bottom of a filthy vacuum cleaner for weeks While I fully agree that most American candy is vile, it has nothing on Taiwanese candy. It tastes like barf, looks like birdshit, but the worst part is the aftertaste, which somehow tickles the gag reflex long after you have swallowed it. Pretty sure I could trade a Snickers bar for a human being in Thailand, their candy is so bad. There's a Minmatar joke in there somewhere I just know it! "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7172
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Posted - 2014.06.17 12:49:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote: There's a Minmatar joke in there somewhere I just know it!
I was thinking more along the lines of "Wonka's List", myself. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Riyria Twinpeaks
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
1989
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Posted - 2014.06.17 12:52:00 -
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Living in Munich, I have significantly higher costs for daily things and living space than in many other areas in Germany. So unfair!
In some neighboring countries I could get certain services and products for a lot cheaper than in my home country. So unfair!
Oh, wait, I haven't considered what those people living in other areas earn. How much purchasing power their money actually has. Maybe, considering those points, it would not appear so unfair anymore? Maybe it would. I'm too lazy to check right now, but I'm not really complaining, the sentences above were just examples.
Did you, OP, compare the prices for PLEX with how much money is worth in the respective countries, and how much money the average person makes there? |
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
257
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Posted - 2014.06.17 12:53:00 -
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Just buy from a reseller that always deals in USD.
http://store.markeedragon.com/index.php?cat=4 |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.06.17 13:00:00 -
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Quote:20. Posting advertisements is prohibited.
Posts discussing or linking to online auction sites or other sales sites that offer goods or services for real life currency are prohibited. Post removed. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.06.17 20:54:00 -
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This one is better and more appropriate...
That said, I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
26. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Rannasha Kore
United Individuals Clearly Unconventional Meatshield
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Posted - 2014.06.17 21:12:00 -
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Riyria Twinpeaks wrote: Oh, wait, I haven't considered what those people living in other areas earn. How much purchasing power their money actually has. Maybe, considering those points, it would not appear so unfair anymore? Maybe it would. I'm too lazy to check right now, but I'm not really complaining, the sentences above were just examples.
Did you, OP, compare the prices for PLEX with how much money is worth in the respective countries, and how much money the average person makes there?
This. Ten times this.
All the back and forth ranting about taxes completely misses the point that stuff is just generally more expensive in Europe than in the US (yes, I know this is not the case for the eastern side of the Eurozone, those folks are just out of luck). People have higher incomes to compensate, but this does mean that you can't just pull prices through currency convertors, slap on some tax-number and call it unfair. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
1238
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Posted - 2014.06.17 21:18:00 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them.. The Rules:4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.26. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued.
you removed my post. I will just post it again and dare you to learn some political history because it was marked as a quote and it was a quote.
"It-¦s the economy, stupid". TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.06.17 21:47:00 -
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I have removed a rule breaking post.
The Rules: 11. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
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Arkumord Churhee
Bavarian Unstressed Mining Mob Synergy of Steel
3
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Posted - 2014.06.18 17:37:00 -
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Rannasha Kore wrote:Riyria Twinpeaks wrote: Oh, wait, I haven't considered what those people living in other areas earn. How much purchasing power their money actually has. Maybe, considering those points, it would not appear so unfair anymore? Maybe it would. I'm too lazy to check right now, but I'm not really complaining, the sentences above were just examples.
Did you, OP, compare the prices for PLEX with how much money is worth in the respective countries, and how much money the average person makes there?
This. Ten times this. All the back and forth ranting about taxes completely misses the point that stuff is just generally more expensive in Europe than in the US (yes, I know this is not the case for the eastern side of the Eurozone, those folks are just out of luck). People have higher incomes to compensate, but this does mean that you can't just pull prices through currency convertors, slap on some tax-number and call it unfair.
Cool story bro
You know what that is? Discrimination. In it's purest form. |
Serene Repose
1390
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Posted - 2014.06.18 17:42:00 -
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If you Europeans can't keep your economies straight, how's that Iceland's problem? Wait...wasn't there something about an island nation and an invasion fleet? (This may be a question for David Cameron, not Eric the Red.)
Ramona McCandless wrote:Anyone who pays 100 anythings on a computer game they are already paying a subscription for has more money than sense anyway In the U.S. this is a social goal with hopes of movement into the genetic code. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
990
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Posted - 2014.06.18 17:51:00 -
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Oh, good, it's the weekly support group thread for idiots who don't understand that CCP doesn't set retail prices. "Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
14508
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Posted - 2014.06.18 18:09:00 -
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The solution is simple:
We either nerf America... or kill the batman..
Not sure which one is relevant here.. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Lairel Dallocort
Hot Lobster
16
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Posted - 2014.06.18 21:42:00 -
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power_parity
The prices of things in different currencies and countries is supposed to be based on purchasing power. Nominally, the exchange rate would be equal to the purchasing power parity between two countries, but as you can read in the article above this is not always the case. I'm not saying that CCP is going by the purchasing power index to price PLEX ; they probably aren't. However, the presiding theory on purchasing power says that there "should" be one price across different currencies, ideally. The real purchasing power index of the Euro according to OECD for 2013 is 0.772762 USD to Euro. Based on today's exchange rate of 0.74 Euros per USD, We can arrive at a fair price in Euros for a PLEX at $34.99 USD of Gé¼33.50 {calculation: (34.99*.74)/0.772762}.
Edit: It's kind of sad that even CCP's official response was about VAT when it really has nothing to do with international product pricing. VAT and other taxes are accounted for in the purchasing power index and in the currency exchange rates via market corrections. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
1713
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Posted - 2014.06.18 21:58:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:The solution is simple:
We either nerf America... or kill the batman..
Not sure which one is relevant here.. Not sure it's a good idea, because we'd have to hire a clown to do either one. .. when everything else is gone .. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18999
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Posted - 2014.06.18 22:02:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:The solution is simple:
We either nerf America... or kill the batman..
Not sure which one is relevant here.. Not sure it's a good idea, because we'd have to hire a clown to do either one. Some would say that the clown has already been hired
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
Lairel Dallocort
Hot Lobster
16
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Posted - 2014.06.18 22:03:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:The solution is simple:
We either nerf America... or kill the batman..
Not sure which one is relevant here.. Not sure it's a good idea, because we'd have to hire a clown to do either one. Some would say that the clown has already been hired
Something, something Obama something. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18999
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Posted - 2014.06.18 22:23:00 -
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Lairel Dallocort wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:The solution is simple:
We either nerf America... or kill the batman..
Not sure which one is relevant here.. Not sure it's a good idea, because we'd have to hire a clown to do either one. Some would say that the clown has already been hired Something, something Obama something. I was actually talking about Ben Affleck, but I suppose it works the other way too if you live on the colonial side of the Atlantic.
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
KaarBaak
297
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Posted - 2014.06.18 22:53:00 -
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I read through about half the thread because...well...most of the posts just keep saying the same thing over and over...and well...this thread is repeated over and over.
To me it boils down to this: what do YOU pay for EvE? Is it worth that? Does it matter if the person next to you pays two dollars or 200 dollars more or less than you? No. Shouldn't affect your game whatsoever.
It's either worth what you pay or it's not. Fairness shouldn't enter into it. I think about what equivalent entertainment I could get for my $11/month and EvE wins that battle time and again. If the price changes, or my interest in the game changes, I'll re-evaluate that equation. Or if I move to Europe and my price per "entertainment unit" changes.
But debating some players paying more or less than others seems like a waste of time. Like a 3 year old child complaining that his piece of cake isn't as big as his sister's.
Is EvE worth what you pay? Yes or no?
Yes? See you out there.
No? Stuff request.
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Spiritas
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.06.19 07:32:00 -
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Using his answer it is still the same problem, even with the highest varient of EU Tax - 27% there is still an overcharge on a UK purchase in comparison to a US purchase.
Similarly for reference sake in terms of international law a purchase of digital goods is for tax purposes to take place at the point of origin. sell something from luxembourg and pay 3% UK Import/Sales Tax however buy the same thing in france and you pay almost 20%.
As the goods are being sold via amazon, which is owned in the US we should be charged the US prices.
When I do a tracert on Amazon.co.uk (IP 176.32.108.186) the host of that address is actually in Ireland (il admit I was surprised) When I do a tracert on Amazon.com (IP 205.251.242.54) the host of that address is in the US so we should pay US tax.
IF i look up secure.eveonline.com (IP 87.237.39.170) The host (rather disapointingly il admit) Is in the UK so we should ONLY pay 20% Vat - and thats only if they arent being smart and selling the goods from abroad.
They "could" market things in a way so we pay the same or nearer to it, I fail to see why they aren't.
TO summarise the above they are basically obeying the tax man to their best ability. we are most likely all paying the absolute maximum in excise and import duties to avoid accidentally not paying them, THIS IS GOOD because if we dont pay it. they don't suffer. we do.
Seriously the difference is collecting on delivery and the fines are applied to you and me folks. I don't like it but CCP are playing the smart game, buy your PLEX from alternative countries, or values and technically your committing tax evasion. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
996
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Posted - 2014.06.19 15:25:00 -
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Spiritas wrote:
When I do a tracert on Amazon.co.uk (IP 176.32.108.186) the host of that address is actually in Ireland (il admit I was surprised) When I do a tracert on Amazon.com (IP 205.251.242.54) the host of that address is in the US so we should pay US tax.
Yeah, that's really not how it works. Amazon, while an "American" company, has a business-presence in the UK that obligates them to comply with various aspects of UK law in as much as is reasonably possible. They have offices and warehouses and fulfillment centers in the UK - plenty of assets for the UK government to make their life hell if they don't think they're playing fairly.
This means that as a resident of the UK, you're doing business with a company in the UK, regardless of where it's headquartered, and it certainly doesn't matter if the server for the website is in the UK, the US, or on the moon.
There are ways to sidestep the rules, but don't be confused about what the rules actually are. There is no, "Oh gosh, that guy was clever enough to go to the US-homed version of the site - guess he doesn't need to pay his VAT because he's so gosh-darned smart!" exception. "Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5501
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Posted - 2014.06.19 15:28:00 -
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I'd like to pay the same amount for coffee, petrolium, tobacco, cars, aeroplane flights, cable rental, toys, video games, ****, hard drugs, cheap labour, candy and consumer electronics as the US.
But that's not happenin either "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1158
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Posted - 2014.06.19 19:52:00 -
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Arkumord Churhee wrote:Dear CCP,
what have european customers of yours done to you? If, say, you were to buy a 2 PLEX Code online, customers paying in EUR are charged 34,99 EUR. US customers are charged 34,99 USD.
Quick googling of the conversion tells me that 34,99 USD converts to 25,84 EUR at the time of writing. Accounting for german VIT which applies in my case it amounts to 30.75 EUR. That's over 5 EUR less! My question here is: Why? Why do european customers pay that much more for the same service that US customers get?
Doesn't sound quite fair to me... please explain!
(Crosspost from german subforum)
(Edited to reflect the fact that i DID account for taxes)
They pay exactly the same.
In California, the house I live in would cost 3 times as much.
Oh CCP, why are you making Californians pay $104.97 for a GTC?
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Domania
Rooks Inc.
54
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Posted - 2014.06.20 19:17:00 -
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Mithandra wrote: Unless CCP can come up with some hard figures to dispute the OP's post i'd say he has a point.
Or they'll just ignore him, he'll continue to kick and scream. Life will go on.
Either way, the solution would be to move to the US, and have the company you work for continue to pay you in euros. Or you could take over Europe and get rid of taxes, force CCP to lower their prices as supreme overlord.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1925
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Posted - 2014.06.20 22:29:00 -
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Domania wrote:Either way, the solution would be to move to the US, and have the company you work for continue to pay you in euros. That wouldn't work out very well.
At some point you have to purchase things in USD and that's where the banks come in to convert your EUR to USD.
Unfortunately the rate at which they do that favours them and then they apply charges to the process too.
I lived that life for 7 years and while you can ngotiate with th banks for better rates, they always win.
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