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Perkele Helvete
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.15 14:47:00 -
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Hello,
I just started playing Eve a few weeks ago , I really enjoy the game. I was wondering if it is possible to play without buying anything from the market except for skills and blueprints from NPCs ? I am asking because I would really like to feel the progress while I am playing , I am not sure if this is weird or not or if anyone else is using this play style , so please tell me if you have any suggestions or if playing the game like this is a bad idea
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.06.15 14:51:00 -
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So buy a BPC for a ship for to use then mine the mineral in the rookie ship? Sure do it it'll just take forever. Although I'm no indy player I'm sure all ships require some minerals that are just accessible from nullsec. So I hope you like jumping through bubbles in a rookie ship that may or may not have a gatecamp. And the associated belt rats that will shoot you. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2014.06.15 14:51:00 -
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Feel... what progress, exactly? We had one of these threads a few weeks ago. It was a bad idea then, and it's a bad idea now.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.06.15 14:58:00 -
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Technically: Yes, you can live out of your own mining, production and loot drops.
Practically: You will give up on EVE in a matter of weeks. Because it will become near impossible to play because you will lack the time or money to actually do something useful. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
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Perkele Helvete
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.15 14:59:00 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Feel... what progress, exactly? We had one of these threads a few weeks ago. It was a bad idea then, and it's a bad idea now.
Can you please link the thread ? |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2014.06.15 15:10:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4649510 "Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Jur Tissant
Hemah Industries
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Posted - 2014.06.15 15:15:00 -
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EVE is a network of players who progress mutually. The guy churning out battleships is fitting a newer player for his first L4. Yes, you can in theory get just as far on your own but it might not be as fulfilling of a playstyle as you might think. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
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Posted - 2014.06.15 15:23:00 -
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Perkele Helvete wrote:I am asking because I would really like to feel the progress while I am playing ,
Skill training does that.
Bear in mind that, outside of the career agents, there are no missions which reward ships or modules. Just ISK (and LP, which is a 'currency' that lets you buy from the LP store). Nor will you find ships in missions, nor will the modules which the NPCs do drop necessarily be appropriate for your ships. Nor will you be able to use T2 gear, as the material requirements to build those require more than a single player can manage (moon mining, reaction POS, PI, mining (including nullsec), data core agents or factional warfare)
This isn't Diablo III where you can get everything you need from rat drops and never have to buy from another player.
It's possible, so's never flying anything other than a rookie ship, but I wouldn't say it's very effective.
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
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Posted - 2014.06.15 15:25:00 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:So buy a BPC for a ship for to use then mine the mineral in the rookie ship?
He'd have to buy a BPO, because normal ship BPCs are only sold by players.
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Perkele Helvete
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.15 16:12:00 -
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Thank you all for your answers ! After reading all of them I realized that indeed this is not the way to go especially in a game like this one. |
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Erika Mizune
The Soul Society Brothers of Tangra
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Posted - 2014.06.15 20:50:00 -
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It is possible yes, and even in the starter missions, you get a free mining ship, the venture and the mining frigate skill book. So you don't need to sit there and mine all day in a noob ship. You can make money from killing rats depending on where you are. But it will be pretty hard to do tbh without buying stuff from the market. If you stay in high-sec then you are missing on core/high-end minerals to build things that you will eventually need. You could also reprocess mods you get from drops in missions and sites to get those high-end minerals, but after the indy patch goes into effect, that will be a bit harder to do. One of the things that I spent a bit on was selling excess minerals to buy the higher end minerals to make stuff.
Eve is what you make of it, and it's one of the wonderful things about this game, if you want the challenge, go for it and see how long you can go without using the market, but it is indeed very possible to go though and not buy anything but the skill books and BP's from the market.
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Velarra
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Posted - 2014.06.15 22:54:00 -
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Here's a thought: Islands.
You want to look into Eve Islands and living in one. You want to spend a lot of time studying the eve-map. Perhaps even look into a logistics/hauling corp to get your initial supplies onto the island. |
Netan MalDoran
Yumping Amok Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2014.06.16 22:45:00 -
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I've thought about doing this in the future in FW lowsec. Once you have built up a nice library of BPO's and skills and can fly a mining barge, then go ahead. I would be able to survive in low sec doing solo PvP for fun, then mine for minerals to build my stuff along with modules from rat drops. Do a lot of people like this? Not really, but it is possible for someone a little more setup in the game to do. "Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was! |
Green Ge Horn
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.17 08:07:00 -
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Perkele Helvete wrote:Thank you all for your answers ! After reading all of them I realized that indeed this is not the way to go especially in a game like this one.
Building your own empire can be actually fun and meaning of progress measurement. As long as it fun for you - do it. Get a goal to get your self steady passive income through colonisation of planets, R&D agents and even your own POS ("home, sweet home" here) but do not forget missioning, since loot can be reprocessed into minerals, that otherwise you would need to fly to null for. Once this will not be fun anymore - join your militia in FW and try to make a progress there, more systems under your faction control is a progress too. You can also find your way into null sec corporation and build soverenity together with other players. There are ways how to measure progress in EVE, IMHO. Not only skill queue...
One day your POS will give you T2 blueprints to make all T2 gear for your new T2 ship. On that day you will be able to start produce something, that was made by you and only by you, from the scratch. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:23:00 -
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There is a corp that lives this way (Pioneers?). Last I heard they were disbanding, because it just doesn't make for good longterm gameplay. |
Tam Arai
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.18 10:08:00 -
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i started as a miner.
i realised that to be able to refine efficiently, i needed standing so i trained up some fighting skills too.
by the time i had 6.67 standings i was able to run level 4 missions so the first thing i built with my new minerals was my first battleship to do lv4 missions.
never buying anything would get tedious very quick, but never buying something like ships and only ever building them could be a reasonable compromise |
Loona Hardigan
Armilies corporation
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Posted - 2014.06.19 08:21:00 -
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Perkele Helvete wrote:I was wondering if it is possible to play without buying anything from the market except for skills and blueprints from NPCs ? I am asking because I would really like to feel the progress while I am playing , I am not sure if this is weird or not or if anyone else is using this play style , so please tell me if you have any suggestions or if playing the game like this is a bad idea
There are other services that you can still only get from NPCs or the GUI at the cost of some ISK, like clone upgrades or equipment repairs (although some modules can cover that if you're undocked, apparently) - stuff like that isn't likely to be possible through players anytime soon. Some ratting and/or missions tend to cover that sort of expense though.
Speaking of expenses, maybe you already know this, but it was handy early on for me: only NPCs get to keep items like skillbooks for sale for over 300 days, usually at fixed amounts like 555. An alternative way to get some skillbooks (other than career missions) is through loyalty points for NPC corps - these usually seem to have only 1 to 3 books out of all of their possible offers (which can cover other handy things like implants, modules and ships), that may be common to a few different NPC corps - you can access most if not all items in the game here, and for those which can be acquired through LPs you can check wich NPC corps provide them in their respective pages: http://games.chruker.dk/eve_online/market.php
There's a way to "buy" items without doing so directly with ISK - item exchange contracts, although apparently there's still an ISK fee for the transaction. It's not an option people use often, but if you really want something, you can always get PLEX and use it to trade for a number of different things at once - not a market I've dabbled in, but by reputation alone I'd expect it to be in demand, and since travelling with PLEX is considered unsafe, while typical Jita prices may be a rough guideline to figure out what you can trade it for, if you do it from somewhere distant enough from hubs like that maybe you can get a decent deal on your own terms?
Building your own stuff to use can be extra encouragement to stick to cheaper, smaller ships - if you intend to fit them with rat drops, ISIS may help you figure out which of the lower-end ship would make better use of those, and plan your skill training (I'm working on my rookie ship masteries myself, I'll always have one of those, and that can be handy for many others) and blueprint acquisitions accordingly.
On this topic, something had crossed my mind: trying to focus on ammo-less weapons, which would narrow things down to energy weapons and drones - but I still need to research this topic a bit more to figure out how to optimize their use... likely Amarr ships or related, possibly with some capacitor-optimizing tech...
The option to offer your services for items is also possible, in my experience, even if it's an uncommon one. Getting hired to help out with some task in exchange for the equipment to perform that task sounds like a reasonable enough way to try and play the game, if there's enough trust between the interested parties to pull it off.
I researched a bit about the pioneer corp that was mentioned in this topic New Eden Pioneers - checked it last night in-game and it's disbanding, but it apparently also advertised itself on Reddit as trying to put together a self-sufficient low-sec empire, which might be a bit too ambitious for a play style that's still uncommon. It can be sustainable on an individual level, especially within a supportive corp (some corps are known to provide their new players with ships and skill books, which can help) - even if that doesn't subscribe to the same philosophy - but it would probably need to be more common as a play style to allow people to think big with it. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
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Posted - 2014.06.19 14:10:00 -
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Velarra wrote:Here's a thought: Islands.
You want to look into Eve Islands and living in one. You want to spend a lot of time studying the eve-map. Perhaps even look into a logistics/hauling corp to get your initial supplies onto the island.
The Solitude Region is probably the largest hisec Island. There are several 'Constellation' sized ones kicking around in most other areas as well.
@Op In theory your initial plan is mostly doable. In practice it's not really workable in a timely fashion.
Skill Training requirements will be excessive, Mining, Refining, basic Manufacturing, basic Science, PI skills will all be needed along with Weapon, Tank and Core Fitting Skills. Each area has little overlap with the others, making each area of training a dead-end from a time spent aspect.
If you'd have started 5+yrs ago, maybe. |
Efernal
Kosen International
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Posted - 2014.06.20 16:11:00 -
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@OP : You can do what you are talking about but it can be a real challenge if you want it to be. Reprocess item drops from missions to get the more rare ores. Mine the basic ores you will need or set up buy orders in the market tab and pay others to do the work for you. It would be an interesting way to play, But it would also be the most frustrating way to play.
Personally I set up buy orders on items that give me maximum return on the resources I am looking for (ie..Can't mine for it in high or low sec). As for mining for you own minerals you can always use a destroyer with multi mining lasers/cpu upgrades to go jet can mining. Use an Indy to pick up the Jet can after half an hour or so. This carries the risk of someone flying up and stealing your ore of course. Then again this is EvE, No risk no reward. The longer you play and the better you get at whatever it is you do in this game it becomes more easy or it could become a routine that slowly feels like a chore. Just don't let it bog you down and try to enjoy the little things. |
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