Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 .. 157 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 25 post(s) |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
1537
|
Posted - 2014.08.19 17:14:00 -
[3421] - Quote
Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:admiral root wrote: NPC troll?! Hey I resemble that remark
Concord's elite forum counter-troll unit is well-respected in these parts. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4043
|
Posted - 2014.08.19 17:16:00 -
[3422] - Quote
admiral root wrote:Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:admiral root wrote: NPC troll?! Hey I resemble that remark Concord's elite forum counter-troll unit is well-respected in these parts. indeed. o7 =][= |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3815
|
Posted - 2014.08.19 17:18:00 -
[3423] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:They need to bring back Battlefleet Gothic. Do you know Dropzone Commander? That game's manufacturer is making a spaceship-scale game set in the same universe as DZC, and they've hired Andy Chambers as the game's designer.
Omar Alharazaad wrote:my cohabitant / GM is a former EVE player who left due to [reasons]. However, he's a great lover of the 40k universe... and after one unsuccessful campaign of 'Deathwatch'... and watching 'Space Pirate Captain Harlock' is seriously considering a campaign of 'Rogue Trader'.
Deathwatch is a butt because playing invulnerable inhuman monks gets pretty old fast. They're not very interesting. The other games are better. |
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
|
Posted - 2014.08.19 17:23:00 -
[3424] - Quote
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:While I grant the new player tutorials are abysmal at expectation levelling with new players the cold dark realities of EvE life, we can never allow ignorance of (EvE) laws to become a defense. Also, with the wealth of knowledge that is repeatedly shared on how to avoid ganking, there is ultimately no excuse for the constant whining from butthurt gank victims. Let us never forget, ganking has already been nerfed mechanics wise by CCP, in a misguided attempt to turn our beloved game into a bubble-wrapped theme park. ENOUGH! Its time for WoW-reject gank victims to STFU, HTFU and play EvE as GOD intended....not try to change EvE into WoW with this incessant whining. F
its not just about the victims more often than not being casual players who are unaware of bumping mechanics or concord response times. Its about the gross imbalance of risk/reward when compared to other activities. Currently the reason suicide ganking is attracting so many people is because of the incredible profits that are possible at extremely negligible costs and without any incentives to go after them. Not to mention its a lot easier to blow up newer players in haulers than to be in lower security space where people are prepared to shoot back. A high provit, low cost activity where you are screwing someone else over and not paying any significant penalties is clearly out of whack. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
357
|
Posted - 2014.08.19 17:24:00 -
[3425] - Quote
My experience playing 'Deathwatch' was that it was primarily for fans who couldn't afford the time/money required for painting up their own space marine armies. It was kinda fun, but would have been better as a mini game.
Rogue Trader looks like it will be the next sci-fi space game we play, as SR 4th ed has been overplayed more than a bit.
|
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5902
|
Posted - 2014.08.19 17:26:00 -
[3426] - Quote
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:While I grant the new player tutorials are abysmal at expectation levelling with new players the cold dark realities of EvE life, we can never allow ignorance of (EvE) laws to become a defense. Also, with the wealth of knowledge that is repeatedly shared on how to avoid ganking, there is ultimately no excuse for the constant whining from butthurt gank victims. Let us never forget, ganking has already been nerfed mechanics wise by CCP, in a misguided attempt to turn our beloved game into a bubble-wrapped theme park. ENOUGH! Its time for WoW-reject gank victims to STFU, HTFU and play EvE as GOD intended....not try to change EvE into WoW with this incessant whining. F its not just about the victims more often than not being casual players who are unaware of bumping mechanics or concord response times. Its about the gross imbalance of risk/reward when compared to other activities. Currently the reason suicide ganking is attracting so many people is because of the incredible profits that are possible at extremely negligible costs and without any incentives to go after them. Not to mention its a lot easier to blow up newer players in haulers than to be in lower security space where people are prepared to shoot back.
The risk/reward would be vastly lower if people didn't stuff everything they own in to untanked T1 haulers or autopiloting freighters. The victims themselves are directly responsible for this, in this here computer game. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee & Grammar Gestapo. |
Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
67
|
Posted - 2014.08.19 17:27:00 -
[3427] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:admiral root wrote:Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:admiral root wrote: NPC troll?! Hey I resemble that remark Concord's elite forum counter-troll unit is well-respected in these parts. indeed. o7 Consider me flattered
NPC Forum Alt, because reasons. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
1538
|
Posted - 2014.08.19 17:28:00 -
[3428] - Quote
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:its not just about the victims more often than not being casual players who are unaware of bumping mechanics or concord response times.
There are no victims of suicide ganking, just willing volunteers. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5902
|
Posted - 2014.08.19 17:30:00 -
[3429] - Quote
Dear 1-day troll alt: If I stuff a shuttle full of PLEX & autopilot it from Amarr to Jita & someone ganks me, who allowed that to happen? This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee & Grammar Gestapo. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
359
|
Posted - 2014.08.19 17:31:00 -
[3430] - Quote
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:While I grant the new player tutorials are abysmal at expectation levelling with new players the cold dark realities of EvE life, we can never allow ignorance of (EvE) laws to become a defense. Also, with the wealth of knowledge that is repeatedly shared on how to avoid ganking, there is ultimately no excuse for the constant whining from butthurt gank victims. Let us never forget, ganking has already been nerfed mechanics wise by CCP, in a misguided attempt to turn our beloved game into a bubble-wrapped theme park. ENOUGH! Its time for WoW-reject gank victims to STFU, HTFU and play EvE as GOD intended....not try to change EvE into WoW with this incessant whining. F its not just about the victims more often than not being casual players who are unaware of bumping mechanics or concord response times. Its about the gross imbalance of risk/reward when compared to other activities. Currently the reason suicide ganking is attracting so many people is because of the incredible profits that are possible at extremely negligible costs and without any incentives to go after them. Not to mention its a lot easier to blow up newer players in haulers than to be in lower security space where people are prepared to shoot back.
You don't get it, do you? Newer players in haulers aren't where the profit is at. Older players not bothering to freaking observe the lay of the land is where the profit lies. Don't fall back on the 'go to low sec' adage as that one is stale and holds no water. It's not the only pvp means of generating profit in high sec. New players don't fly freighters. If they bought a freighter pilot in the character bazaar that's fine, but in doing so they take on the responsibilities incumbent to the age of the character they purchased. Nobody is going to cut them a break due to them having bought their character. You undock and you are a target, that is EVE. |
|
Rabe Raptor
The Conference Elite CODE.
22
|
Posted - 2014.08.19 17:36:00 -
[3431] - Quote
Like half of the things being cried about are covered in the Law FAQ. Together we can make Highsec a better place! The Law of Highsec Read it, share it, learn it, quote it, live it! |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
365
|
Posted - 2014.08.19 17:42:00 -
[3432] - Quote
Of course they are. Your band of merry murderers got this threadnaught moving in the first place. Good job btw :) |
|
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1945
|
Posted - 2014.08.19 18:21:00 -
[3433] - Quote
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The Rules: 19. All posts must be related to EVE Online.
Posts regarding other companies and products or services are prohibited and any content of this nature will be removed. Posts regarding other games are however permitted on the Out of Pod Experience forum for the purposes of discussion only.
26. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued.
ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
|
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20224
|
Posted - 2014.08.19 18:57:00 -
[3434] - Quote
@ ISD Ezwal Moderation aside, I hope that some of the posts at least made you chuckle before you removed them, some of them were quite amusing, even if they did infringe on the rules
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Azov Rassau
The Hornets Cartel
74
|
Posted - 2014.08.19 19:32:00 -
[3435] - Quote
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: Well, that was a good read. I remember following his operations from time to time during my anti-ganking gameplay. Somewhere I still have the list of his bumper alts and multiboxed army of gankers, but overall it was particularly funny to see his never-changing Talos fit with a remaining empty mid-slot (No ECCM, making it possible to actually jam almost his whole crew with a max skill, overheated falcon.) The only problem: predicting where he is going to.
I don't know if he's still ganking but his army of Taloses definitely showed once again how multiboxing can be used to bring power, effectiveness, fun (hell a lot more fun compared to multibox mining..) and (as you said) surprise, shock, anger, tears, isk loss, knowledge gain etc.
Your blog post brought back memories. +1 No AFKing. -áSafety First. -áUse D-Scan, Check Local. -áBe Alert. |
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
11
|
Posted - 2014.08.19 22:11:00 -
[3436] - Quote
Omar Alharazaad wrote:NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:While I grant the new player tutorials are abysmal at expectation levelling with new players the cold dark realities of EvE life, we can never allow ignorance of (EvE) laws to become a defense. Also, with the wealth of knowledge that is repeatedly shared on how to avoid ganking, there is ultimately no excuse for the constant whining from butthurt gank victims. Let us never forget, ganking has already been nerfed mechanics wise by CCP, in a misguided attempt to turn our beloved game into a bubble-wrapped theme park. ENOUGH! Its time for WoW-reject gank victims to STFU, HTFU and play EvE as GOD intended....not try to change EvE into WoW with this incessant whining. F its not just about the victims more often than not being casual players who are unaware of bumping mechanics or concord response times. Its about the gross imbalance of risk/reward when compared to other activities. Currently the reason suicide ganking is attracting so many people is because of the incredible profits that are possible at extremely negligible costs and without any incentives to go after them. Not to mention its a lot easier to blow up newer players in haulers than to be in lower security space where people are prepared to shoot back. You don't get it, do you? Newer players in haulers aren't where the profit is at. Older players not bothering to freaking observe the lay of the land is where the profit lies. Don't fall back on the 'go to low sec' adage as that one is stale and holds no water. It's not the only pvp means of generating profit in high sec. New players don't fly freighters. If they bought a freighter pilot in the character bazaar that's fine, but in doing so they take on the responsibilities incumbent to the age of the character they purchased. Nobody is going to cut them a break due to them having bought their character. You undock and you are a target, that is EVE.
This is counter intuitive speculation on your part. You have no evidence of this. It is reasonable to assume that the great majority of victims of suicide ganking are those who haven't had it done to them before. Nobody will put their entire stash into a hauler after they know its possible for a single vexor to gank it in HS. Players all too often aren't aware of how long concord response times can be. Suicide gankers prey on victims lack of knowledge of the game.
My initial goal was a freighter and it was the first purchase over 1 bil that I made. I still considered myself a newb when I bought it even though my character was over two years old. I don't normally pay attention to the forums much because I don't like the people who like to throw their worthless 2 cents in every thread. I spend a lot of time autopiloting and I wasn't aware untill a couple months ago about this HS bumping frighter ganking nonsense. Only by sheer luck and my casual play schedule have I not been ganked while autopiloting my freighter.
Had that happened, I would have surely quit this game. People just don't expect to be suicide ganked in high sec and that is what suicide gankers prey upon, the newer players whose only crime is lack of information. Those who pay cash for their subs because they don't know enough about the game to earn enough for PLEXs. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5906
|
Posted - 2014.08.19 22:21:00 -
[3437] - Quote
Rabe Raptor wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Rabe Raptor wrote:If people just followed the Law they'd never get ganked. BTW I like how a thread about us ganking empty freighters (showing that we're not completely in it for profit) has turned into a whinefest about how its too easy to profit from ganking. Your average suicide ganker makes less isk in a month than a level 4 mission runner. Sometimes you get great drops, but you sit around for hours scanning things for it. Very very wrong :)
Not really. As possibly the laziest kind-of-leader of Miniluv, I process all vexor reimbursement request & personally feel the disappointment the ganker must have felt after sitting on a gate for 3 hours scanning stuff. The days of people rampantly stuffing everything they own in to untanked T1 haulers are unfortunately gone. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee & Grammar Gestapo. |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
5329
|
Posted - 2014.08.19 23:05:00 -
[3438] - Quote
As a suicide ganker who doesn't loot I rely mostly on donations, rarely I have to push a PLEX into the system.
That being said, if my corpmates were a bit more motivated........
This thread should be about pizza now. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - CODE, RvB, the AT, and what DJEntropy said .... :) The Mew Age Calender is in need of models! Plus payment! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4908292#post4908292 |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1124
|
Posted - 2014.08.19 23:09:00 -
[3439] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Rabe Raptor wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Rabe Raptor wrote:If people just followed the Law they'd never get ganked. BTW I like how a thread about us ganking empty freighters (showing that we're not completely in it for profit) has turned into a whinefest about how its too easy to profit from ganking. Your average suicide ganker makes less isk in a month than a level 4 mission runner. Sometimes you get great drops, but you sit around for hours scanning things for it. Very very wrong :) Not really. As possibly the laziest kind-of-leader of Miniluv, I process all vexor reimbursement request & personally feel the disappointment the ganker must have felt after sitting on a gate for 3 hours scanning stuff. The days of people rampantly stuffing everything they own in to untanked T1 haulers are unfortunately gone.
Ironically suicide ganking is still profitable for a newish character but none of them do it :D
Meanwhile what EVE really needs is gangs of Flying Steampunk Guinea Pigs camping the major pipelines and gates :D That would liven things up. |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
5329
|
Posted - 2014.08.19 23:18:00 -
[3440] - Quote
Sorry but I don't see how suicide ganking for loot isn't profitable for every age...
Can anyone explain?
My corpmate Pix keeps shooting ships with blueprints, the lucker, and two thrashers worth around 5mill dish out around 6-7k raw damage, which can kill quite a bit more than just frigates.
Three of my thrashers reach 10k damage still for quite less than a vexor costs ... ... and every additional thrasher adds around 4k damage.
Under sentry fire of course.
... my corpmates need a kick in the nuts......... http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - CODE, RvB, the AT, and what DJEntropy said .... :) The Mew Age Calender is in need of models! Plus payment! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4908292#post4908292 |
|
Paranoid Loyd
1484
|
Posted - 2014.08.19 23:32:00 -
[3441] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Rabe Raptor wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Rabe Raptor wrote:If people just followed the Law they'd never get ganked. BTW I like how a thread about us ganking empty freighters (showing that we're not completely in it for profit) has turned into a whinefest about how its too easy to profit from ganking. Your average suicide ganker makes less isk in a month than a level 4 mission runner. Sometimes you get great drops, but you sit around for hours scanning things for it. Very very wrong :) Not really. As possibly the laziest kind-of-leader of Miniluv, I process all vexor reimbursement request & personally feel the disappointment the ganker must have felt after sitting on a gate for 3 hours scanning stuff. The days of people rampantly stuffing everything they own in to untanked T1 haulers are unfortunately gone.
Confirming this is true. Considering it takes three characters to do it efficiently, i recently ran the numbers and you can make about as much running level 4s, especially when factoring in the time it takes to sell the loot. But it is not nearly as entertaining which is why I choose to make my isk this way. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
5333
|
Posted - 2014.08.19 23:42:00 -
[3442] - Quote
Paranoid Loyd wrote: I didn't look too closely, but I didnt see anyone say it wasnt profitable, but when considering isk/hr it is not as profitable as other ways of making isk.
Probs misunderstood then. I never look at isk/hr though... i value fun.
If it takes me two hours for ganking 100mill and I have fun, then I still win. Greed is a horrible thing.
Oh and you're the experienced one when it comes to ganking in a vexor, iirc.
I do hope you have a scanning and ganking permit........... http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - CODE, RvB, the AT, and what DJEntropy said .... :) The Mew Age Calender is in need of models! Plus payment! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4908292#post4908292 |
Paranoid Loyd
1486
|
Posted - 2014.08.19 23:46:00 -
[3443] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote: I didn't look too closely, but I didnt see anyone say it wasnt profitable, but when considering isk/hr it is not as profitable as other ways of making isk.
Probs misunderstood then. I never look at isk/hr though... i value fun. If it takes me two hours for ganking 100mill and I have fun, then I still win. Greed is a horrible thing. Agreed, it's just how most carebears operate so I'm trying to use logic they understand.
Solecist Project wrote: Oh and you're the experienced one when it comes to ganking in a vexor, iirc.
I do hope you have a scanning and ganking permit...........
Nope, I use a Thorax. And nope, don't need one. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
5333
|
Posted - 2014.08.19 23:55:00 -
[3444] - Quote
Paranoid Loyd wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote: I didn't look too closely, but I didnt see anyone say it wasnt profitable, but when considering isk/hr it is not as profitable as other ways of making isk.
Probs misunderstood then. I never look at isk/hr though... i value fun. If it takes me two hours for ganking 100mill and I have fun, then I still win. Greed is a horrible thing. Agreed, it's just how most carebears operate so I'm trying to use logic they understand. Solecist Project wrote: Oh and you're the experienced one when it comes to ganking in a vexor, iirc.
I do hope you have a scanning and ganking permit...........
Nope, I use a Thorax. And nope, don't need one. Oh you do.
You are not above the CODE. Scanning frigates and gate gankers smell horribly like bot aspirants, because they just sit around seemingly afk.
And even you will start paying for a permit when people start killing the wrecks before you can loot them..... .... and keep killing your scanning frigates ..... http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - CODE, RvB, the AT, and what DJEntropy said .... :) The Mew Age Calender is in need of models! Plus payment! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4908292#post4908292 |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4058
|
Posted - 2014.08.20 00:00:00 -
[3445] - Quote
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote: Nobody will put their entire stash into a hauler after they know its possible for a single vexor to gank it in HS. obviously not =][= |
Paranoid Loyd
1491
|
Posted - 2014.08.20 00:16:00 -
[3446] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote: Oh you do.
You are not above the CODE. Scanning frigates and gate gankers smell horribly like bot aspirants, because they just sit around seemingly afk.
And even you will start paying for a permit when people start killing the wrecks before you can loot them..... ..... keep buming your thorax to ruin tracking .... .... and keep killing your scanning frigates .....
Tracking is irrelevant while an indy is aligning, not sure what you are getting at.
As for my scanner, your boy has tried and failed every time. Many others have tried and failed. The most comical episode was an ISBoxer used 6 thrashers and still failed. Seemingly AFK is not the same as AFK. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Rabe Raptor
The Conference Elite CODE.
29
|
Posted - 2014.08.20 08:21:00 -
[3447] - Quote
Mallak Azaria wrote:Rabe Raptor wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Rabe Raptor wrote:If people just followed the Law they'd never get ganked. BTW I like how a thread about us ganking empty freighters (showing that we're not completely in it for profit) has turned into a whinefest about how its too easy to profit from ganking. Your average suicide ganker makes less isk in a month than a level 4 mission runner. Sometimes you get great drops, but you sit around for hours scanning things for it. Very very wrong :) Not really. As possibly the laziest kind-of-leader of Miniluv, I process all vexor reimbursement request & personally feel the disappointment the ganker must have felt after sitting on a gate for 3 hours scanning stuff. The days of people rampantly stuffing everything they own in to untanked T1 haulers are unfortunately gone.
Comparing us to Miniluv is laughable. FYI when my timer is up, I/we undock and kill something. we have targets queued up so much we never end up getting to them all. Together we can make Highsec a better place! The Law of Highsec Read it, share it, learn it, quote it, live it! |
Darko Atlante
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
7
|
Posted - 2014.08.20 10:10:00 -
[3448] - Quote
Q: Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked. A: You can make money now from manufacturing freighters, if I where to manufacture freighters, sell them on the market, then when people buy them have a gang of catalyst out side, BOOM! they need to buy another one. Profit mmmmm |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20243
|
Posted - 2014.08.20 10:14:00 -
[3449] - Quote
Darko Atlante wrote:Q: Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked. A: You can make money now from manufacturing freighters, if I where to manufacture freighters, sell them on the market, then when people buy them have a gang of catalyst out side, BOOM! they need to buy another one. Profit mmmmm
That's an explosive/aggressive marketing campaign "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."-á - Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Edmund Andre
EVE University Ivy League
1
|
Posted - 2014.08.20 14:56:00 -
[3450] - Quote
"I think suicide ganking has become a problem..."
I have a remedy!
Make the NPC corps at war with their opposing NPC corps... then we can do away with all this "suicide" and engage in piracy properly |
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100 .. 157 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |