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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
19
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Posted - 2014.09.03 04:51:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:From what I can tell How well has that worked out for you so far? Quote:Again, I would love to know the outcome if both sides behaved optimally.
CCP Falcon? Why do you ask him rather than the people who actually have extensive experience with it? Quote:bumping prevents the ship from aligning and reaching warp velocity No, it doesn't actually do either of those. Ignore your entire line of GÇ£bumping = warp preventionGÇ¥ for a moment and just answer this very general question: What happens when you bump someone?
You can't possibly know if both the bumping and the response are optimal. Only CCP would know. We can observe, we can guess, but we can't know. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
19
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Posted - 2014.09.03 04:51:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
Warp disruptors shut off the warp drive, making the ship unable to warp off.
bumping prevents the ship from aligning and reaching warp velocity, making the ship unable to warp off.
So the ship changes its alignment to the same direction its being bumped and can warp off. Its warp drive is not impacted at all.
If there are no celestials there, then it can't. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12957
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Posted - 2014.09.03 04:54:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:
solo response....
with a buddy you can solve disrupting real easy too, just ecm the guy, does not affect CONCORD response.
ECM is chance based, warping to any object in front of your ship works every time without fail.
You have nothing to argue with here. Bumping is one of the easiest tactics to evade and is not used as a form of tackle because it is so easy to evade. We only use it to get the freighter away from the gate guns and navy ships. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5518
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Posted - 2014.09.03 04:54:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:solo response....
with a buddy you can solve disrupting real easy too, just ecm the guy, does not affect CONCORD response.
The bumper can't gank you solo either, so what's the problem? The freighter automatically wins every 1v1 encounter they face outside a wardec or hilarious stupidity.
CCP Falcon told you to bring friends if you want to protect your hauler. Why do you continue to operate under the delusion that EVE is a single player game? "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12957
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Posted - 2014.09.03 04:55:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:baltec1 wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
Warp disruptors shut off the warp drive, making the ship unable to warp off.
bumping prevents the ship from aligning and reaching warp velocity, making the ship unable to warp off.
So the ship changes its alignment to the same direction its being bumped and can warp off. Its warp drive is not impacted at all. If there are no celestials there, then it can't.
So use a fast frigate. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24392
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Posted - 2014.09.03 04:56:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:You can't possibly know if both the bumping and the response are optimal. GǪtherefore, your observations are worthless.
What we can know (and I mean GÇ£weGÇ¥ as in the rest of us, not you) know is how the mechanics work and they tell a pretty damning story: you can always GÇö always GÇö warp off.
Quote:Only CCP would know. No, they really wouldn't GÇö at least not in any way that isn't known as well, or better, by the actual participants.
Quote:If there are no celestials there, then it can't. You can warp to more things than just celestials. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
19
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Posted - 2014.09.03 05:02:00 -
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Well that's enough for tonight....just more speculation, and more dead freighters. 6 yesterday, today was quiet. Maybe they were all "bad" at avoiding bumping, but I seriously doubt that you can ALWAYS escape it, in fact done properly, I strongly suspect that you can virtually NEVER escape it. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24392
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Posted - 2014.09.03 05:04:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Well that's enough for tonight....just more speculation, and more dead freighters. 6 yesterday, today was quiet. Maybe they were all "bad" at avoiding bumping, but I seriously doubt that you can ALWAYS escape it, in fact done properly, I strongly suspect that you can virtually NEVER escape it. And every single one of your suspicions are instantly disproved by reality, so it's probably about time you stopped listening to them and instead opened your ears for the voice of experience and reasoning.
That way, you don't have to add more speculation every time your previous attempts fail (i.e. every time, period). Meanwhile, the spectacularly low death rate of freighters continue, since so few are doing it these days and since they are so ridiculously easy to avoid. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12958
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Posted - 2014.09.03 05:07:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Well that's enough for tonight....just more speculation, and more dead freighters. 6 yesterday, today was quiet. Maybe they were all "bad" at avoiding bumping, but I seriously doubt that you can ALWAYS escape it, in fact done properly, I strongly suspect that you can virtually NEVER escape it.
How do you stop a freighter from warping to a frigate 200km directly in front of it when the freighter is moving at full speed without a warp disruptor or scram? Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5518
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Posted - 2014.09.03 05:16:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:more dead freighters. 6 yesterday, today was quiet.
You've still steadfastly refused to provide any traffic volume information.
On 9/2 (the last full day of trading), 76 Freighters and 20 Jump Freighters were purchased in Jita 4-4. So, if we assume Freighters and Jump freighters are one use items and that those were the only freighters moving through HS (), then they had a 93.75% survival rate per trip.
Tell me more about how common Freighter ganks are. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6008
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Posted - 2014.09.03 05:18:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Well that's enough for tonight....just more speculation, and more dead freighters. 6 yesterday, today was quiet. Maybe they were all "bad" at avoiding bumping, but I seriously doubt that you can ALWAYS escape it, in fact done properly, I strongly suspect that you can virtually NEVER escape it.
Wrong. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee & Grammar Gestapo. |
Myles Wong
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2014.09.03 05:20:00 -
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I understand the sentiment of the topic. But for some reason my thought processes are screaming 'maybe if the new players could level up faster'. There's the rub. This is one of the few if not the only games that leveling is of no consequence. Sure, training up in skill points is similar. A player can focus on training up solely on flying a t2 frigate of their respective race in roughly 23-24 days with no implants. They can also train up to fly a t1 cruiser in under 20 hours. Naturally this does not include necessary fittings. It can be argued that the t2 frigate should wipe the t1 cruiser. In the right hands, the exact opposite can occur. My point is that new players are too impatient to learn core mechanics and want ccp to give them magic armor. And if learning is too much of a burden, there is my favorite tactic of just running away. This game is not the most new player friendly game. But it is the king of its genre which is why it keeps attracting new people. Spaceships in space getting wrecked by other spaceships in space. Pretty cool huh?
/pseudo rant over |
Supremacyy
Systems High Guard
2
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Posted - 2014.09.03 05:32:00 -
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It's sad but pilots like Veers want to see these ships destroyed so they can get their 15 minutes of fame.
My heart breaks a little each time I have to decommission a freighter or a mining barge because the owner refused to obey the laws of highsec. Please stop listening to Veers and get your permit today.
Remember even with your permit you must obey the law or it will be revoked. Do not worry though laws are clearly spelled out so their is no confusion. We can work together to make highsec a better place. |
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2014.09.03 05:50:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Well that's enough for tonight....just more speculation, and more dead freighters. 6 yesterday, today was quiet. Maybe they were all "bad" at avoiding bumping, but I seriously doubt that you can ALWAYS escape it, in fact done properly, I strongly suspect that you can virtually NEVER escape it.
it really is up to the suicide gankers to decide when they want to start blowing up freighters. They have all the power and are the ones able to operate without significant cost or penalties.
This is just like the margin trading scam. The victims usually aren't even aware that it is possible until it happens to them and then there is a good chance of kissing that sub goodbye out of the unfairness of it all. I'm amazed at the lack of foresight that this has been allowed to continue for so long. I guess I shouldn't be since it took them 10 years to fix can flipping. And we all know it will predictably just get worse as more people become aware of the insane profits without risk for merely camping a gate in high sec. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1171
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Posted - 2014.09.03 05:53:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:A lot of highsec players are poor, are not looking for PvP, and are emotionally hurt when someone comes and blows their stuff up If you're "emotionally hurt" in RL because someone destroyed your pixels you need to stop playing video games all together.
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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1171
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Posted - 2014.09.03 05:56:00 -
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Supremacyy wrote:Please stop listening to Veers and get your permit today. A permit sounds interesting but I don't know if I can trust a guy with a mustache |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9506
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Posted - 2014.09.03 06:01:00 -
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NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:The victims usually aren't even aware that it is possible until it happens to them and then there is a good chance of kissing that sub goodbye out of the unfairness of it all.
I defy you to provide proof of both of those statements. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
zanopheer
Chimera Guardians
0
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Posted - 2014.09.03 06:05:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Well that's enough for tonight....just more speculation, and more dead freighters. 6 yesterday, today was quiet. Maybe they were all "bad" at avoiding bumping, but I seriously doubt that you can ALWAYS escape it, in fact done properly, I strongly suspect that you can virtually NEVER escape it.
Mr. Belvar, everything in this thread you've just posted is the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having listened to it.
/smdh |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1171
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Posted - 2014.09.03 06:05:00 -
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NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote: we all know it will predictably just get worse as more people become aware of the insane profits without risk for merely camping a gate in high sec. Wait the Carebear squad was saying it's not fair that they were blowing up empty freighters, it's not fair that CODE is only doing this for griefing blah blah blah and now you're saying that there's "insane profits"
Come on guys get your story straight. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6013
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Posted - 2014.09.03 06:06:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:A lot of highsec players are poor, are not looking for PvP, and are emotionally hurt when someone comes and blows their stuff up
I, too, feel like this when someone does something to me in a pvp game. How dare they play the game like that? This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee & Grammar Gestapo. |
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6014
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Posted - 2014.09.03 06:12:00 -
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IIshira wrote:NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote: we all know it will predictably just get worse as more people become aware of the insane profits without risk for merely camping a gate in high sec. Wait the Carebear squad was saying it's not fair that they were blowing up empty freighters, it's not fair that CODE is only doing this for griefing blah blah blah and now you're saying that there's "insane profits" Come on guys get your story straight.
Yeah, see for a small while there people were carrying 50b+ plus in freighters on a constant basis. This doesn't happen anymore but we can't allow this fact to get in the way of our incessant whining. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee & Grammar Gestapo. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1174
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Posted - 2014.09.03 06:19:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:IIshira wrote:NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote: we all know it will predictably just get worse as more people become aware of the insane profits without risk for merely camping a gate in high sec. Wait the Carebear squad was saying it's not fair that they were blowing up empty freighters, it's not fair that CODE is only doing this for griefing blah blah blah and now you're saying that there's "insane profits" Come on guys get your story straight. Yeah, see for a small while there people were carrying 50b+ plus in freighters on a constant basis. This doesn't happen anymore but we can't allow this fact to get in the way of our incessant whining. The funny thing is CCP shot them down in flames but left this thread open for the tears. I bet they read some of the posts and laugh their butts off. Even CCP devs need comedy |
Lady Areola Fappington
2185
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Posted - 2014.09.03 06:19:00 -
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IIshira wrote:NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote: we all know it will predictably just get worse as more people become aware of the insane profits without risk for merely camping a gate in high sec. Wait the Carebear squad was saying it's not fair that they were blowing up empty freighters, it's not fair that CODE is only doing this for griefing blah blah blah and now you're saying that there's "insane profits" Come on guys get your story straight.
It's like watching one of those late-night infomercials. You know the one, the annoying dude in the loud suit yelling at you that the US Government just wants to GIVE you all this free money. Ganking is just like that, see!
It's just so easy, risk-free, simple, etc. You just go...and gank freighters in highsec. Just do it. Easy money! So easy CCP should nerf it!
It's so easy nobody else is doing it because reasons. Kentucky Derby losers are not turned into Ikea meatballs. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev did not accidentally blow up vowels in his own name. The chupacabra does not deliver presents on Cinco De Mayo. Anytime minutes donGÇÖt let you call the future. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6014
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Posted - 2014.09.03 06:35:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:IIshira wrote:NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote: we all know it will predictably just get worse as more people become aware of the insane profits without risk for merely camping a gate in high sec. Wait the Carebear squad was saying it's not fair that they were blowing up empty freighters, it's not fair that CODE is only doing this for griefing blah blah blah and now you're saying that there's "insane profits" Come on guys get your story straight. It's like watching one of those late-night infomercials. You know the one, the annoying dude in the loud suit yelling at you that the US Government just wants to GIVE you all this free money. Ganking is just like that, see! It's just so easy, risk-free, simple, etc. You just go...and gank freighters in highsec. Just do it. Easy money! So easy CCP should nerf it! It's so easy nobody else is doing it because it's so easy and e-bushido honour samurai.
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Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
528
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Posted - 2014.09.03 09:15:00 -
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*inserts train wreck emoticon here... |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6017
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Posted - 2014.09.03 09:35:00 -
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Every complaint about ganking in this thread literally comes from the belief that online games should all be honourable 1v1 e-bushido simulators. I'm actually really surprised that no one has made references to their balls to back up such complaints. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee & Grammar Gestapo. |
Six Beavers
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.09.03 10:35:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:And there is already an effective and easy solution to warp disrupting - have your buddy ECM the guy (or even do it yourself)! CONCORD response doesnt depend on "ease" of avoidance or solution.
There is also an effective way to avoid being bumped... have your buddy web you!
IF bumping is functionally equivalent to warp disrupting
THEN webbing is functionally equivalent to ECM with regards to warping out.
You can go on for another 50 pages but you can not deny webbing is functionally equivalent to ECMing and hence we don't need your horribad 60 second get out of jail free card.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
9988
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Posted - 2014.09.03 11:47:00 -
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Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? Caught in a landslide, No escape from reality.
Stop tolling me. Im jnot drunk...-áIm going to stop posti --Pepper the Penguin |
Pepper Swift
The Vendunari End of Life
35471
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Posted - 2014.09.03 11:48:00 -
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Open your eyes, Look up to the skies and see, I'm just a poor boy, I need no sympathy, Because I'm easy come, easy go, Little high, little low, Anyway the wind blows doesn't really matter to me, to me. "Oh no, you can't butt bump for babies " ~ sober sibsib
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Thomas Mayaki
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
20
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Posted - 2014.09.03 11:49:00 -
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To fix the suicide ganking problem CCP needs desparately to fix nullsec. Currently the only point to nullsec is that it is an isk printing machine enabling bored null sec pilots to come to highsec for what little fun they have left in this game. It is a bit sad really. |
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