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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.09.03 13:18:00 -
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NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Well that's enough for tonight....just more speculation, and more dead freighters. 6 yesterday, today was quiet. Maybe they were all "bad" at avoiding bumping, but I seriously doubt that you can ALWAYS escape it, in fact done properly, I strongly suspect that you can virtually NEVER escape it. it really is up to the suicide gankers to decide when they want to start blowing up freighters. They have all the power and are the ones able to operate without significant costs, penalties, or risk. This is just like the margin trading scam. The victims usually aren't even aware that it is possible until it happens to them and then there is a good chance of kissing that sub goodbye out of the unfairness of it all. I'm amazed at the lack of foresight that this has been allowed to continue for so long. I guess I shouldn't be since it took them 10 years to fix can flipping. And we all know it will predictably just get worse as more people become aware of the insane profits without risk for merely camping a gate in high sec.
I'm so glad they "fixed" canflipping and added MTUs and updated the mining barge line. I have stolen hundreds of millions of ISK since the changes. :D Epic Space Cat |
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
23235
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Posted - 2014.09.03 13:32:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Well that's enough for tonight....just more speculation, and more dead freighters. 6 yesterday, today was quiet. Maybe they were all "bad" at avoiding bumping, but I seriously doubt that you can ALWAYS escape it, in fact done properly, I strongly suspect that you can virtually NEVER escape it. it really is up to the suicide gankers to decide when they want to start blowing up freighters. They have all the power and are the ones able to operate without significant costs, penalties, or risk. This is just like the margin trading scam. The victims usually aren't even aware that it is possible until it happens to them and then there is a good chance of kissing that sub goodbye out of the unfairness of it all. I'm amazed at the lack of foresight that this has been allowed to continue for so long. I guess I shouldn't be since it took them 10 years to fix can flipping. And we all know it will predictably just get worse as more people become aware of the insane profits without risk for merely camping a gate in high sec. I'm so glad they "fixed" canflipping and added MTUs and updated the mining barge line. I have stolen hundreds of millions of ISK since the changes. :D I, for one, am not so happy about jetcans becoming an extinct race.
SAVE THE JETCANS! Frostys Virpio > CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase
I like to gank it, gank it!
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Thomas Mayaki
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2014.09.03 13:33:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Nullsec has nothing to do with anything.
Apart from the New Order being affiliated with a nullsec power, wanting highsec to be just like nullsec (which is stagnating dispite the recent buffs), is run by an ex-goon and is indifferent to botting in null sec.
However I see that mentioning nullsec is a touchy subject as you seem to fall into 'nullsec is poor and needs more isk' crowd or perhaps its nullsec is so dangerous it should have more treaties to defend its isk making machines. As for bots and running sites AFK that could never happen in nullsec could it with it being so dangerous and all.
Also stop being crying about CONCORDE or 'the magical space police' as you put it. Did I mention some of the whinniest Nullbears come from Nullsec? Perhaps you should petition those CCP devs you were on about. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
311
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Posted - 2014.09.03 13:34:00 -
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Well consider this.
I live in null. I support that character by means of a high sec alt.
That doesn't seem wholly right and proper now, does it? |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3906
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Posted - 2014.09.03 13:39:00 -
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'gankers are nullseccers'. they're operating in highsec for gosh sakes. even if one was to describe players as pidgeonholed descriptions like "highseccer" or "nullseccer" it's most logical to call them 'highseccers'
you already know that ofc but damn :/
i think the thinking is something along the lines of "this is something i don't like > i'm obviously right> because i'm right, other people surely share this view with me > i pve > ganking interrupts pve > therefore the people who agree with me are pveers > i play in highsec > other people i see in highsec pve > therefore highsec's for pve > the people who share my view are highseccers > all highseccers must therefore agree with me > therefore anyone who doesn't is a nullsec ganker" |
Hengle Teron
Mew Age Outpaws
119
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Posted - 2014.09.03 13:39:00 -
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damn that's the most content this thread had since its creation. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3906
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Posted - 2014.09.03 13:42:00 -
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Thomas Mayaki wrote:CONCORDE or 'the magical space police' as you put it literally fly in on a sparkling unicorn wearing white armour and wielding a fairy floss lance
e: literally |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.09.03 14:03:00 -
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Thomas Mayaki wrote:Apart from the New Order being affiliated with a nullsec power, wanting highsec to be just like nullsec (which is stagnating dispite the recent buffs), is run by an ex-goon and is indifferent to botting in null sec.
However I see that mentioning nullsec is a touchy subject as you seem to fall into 'nullsec is poor and needs more isk' crowd or perhaps its nullsec is so dangerous it should have more treaties to defend its isk making machines. As for bots and running sites AFK that could never happen in nullsec could it with it being so dangerous and all.
Also stop being crying about CONCORDE or 'the magical space police' as you put it. Did I mention some of the whinniest Nullbears come from Nullsec? Perhaps you should petition those CCP devs you were on about.GRRR Goons FTFY.
You're so far off the mark that the mark is on another planet.
The difference between a carebear and a bear is that one expects the world to revolve around them, the other accepts the world for what it is and works around it.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1166
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Posted - 2014.09.03 14:23:00 -
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Thomas Mayaki wrote:Did I mention some of the whinniest Nullbears come from Nullsec? Wouldn't all nullbears come from nullsec by definition...? [witty image] - Stream |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4581
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Posted - 2014.09.03 14:26:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Thomas Mayaki wrote:Apart from the New Order being affiliated with a nullsec power, wanting highsec to be just like nullsec (which is stagnating dispite the recent buffs), is run by an ex-goon and is indifferent to botting in null sec.
However I see that mentioning nullsec is a touchy subject as you seem to fall into 'nullsec is poor and needs more isk' crowd or perhaps its nullsec is so dangerous it should have more treaties to defend its isk making machines. As for bots and running sites AFK that could never happen in nullsec could it with it being so dangerous and all.
Also stop being crying about CONCORDE or 'the magical space police' as you put it. Did I mention some of the whinniest Nullbears come from Nullsec? Perhaps you should petition those CCP devs you were on about.GRRR Goons FTFY. You're so far off the mark that the mark is on another planet. Incidentally, Concorde was an advanced Anglo-French SST that was decommissioned in 2003, Concord is an NPC entity in Eve and a place name. Know the difference. Had a joke for this, though better of it, I feel bad even thinking it. =][= |
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Lady Areola Fappington
2192
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Posted - 2014.09.03 14:26:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:You're so far off the mark that the mark is on another planet. Incidentally, Concorde was an advanced Anglo-French SST that was decommissioned in 2003, Concord is an NPC entity in Eve and a place name. Know the difference.
So far, CODE and related gankers are, in no particular order: Goons, Russians, N3/PL, RL Mafia, a highsec industrial cabal, CCP devs, Star Citizen Devs, WoW Devs, ISD, ex-ISD, Anonymous hackers, paid CCP rabblerousers, paid SC rabblerousers, ex BoB, 4channers, furries......
I guess "Buncha people who like to explode things, harvest tears, and refine them to ISK via storytime" is just entirely too drab and boring for the EVE haute bourgeoisie. Kentucky Derby losers are not turned into Ikea meatballs. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev did not accidentally blow up vowels in his own name. The chupacabra does not deliver presents on Cinco De Mayo. Anytime minutes donGÇÖt let you call the future. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.03 14:33:00 -
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Might as well fess up now. All of CODE. are my alts. Every one of them. I have a sekrut room with a hundred PC's that I ISBOX all of CODE. from. Or at least the script that I wrote does. It also posts on the forums for me. It's actually a massive BOT-aspirant AFK gank fleet I run from the basement. Oh the hypocrisy... oh, wait. That's right. None of that crap is true. Carry on. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1178
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Posted - 2014.09.03 14:55:00 -
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Oh gawd let me get my tinfoil hat on |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6026
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Posted - 2014.09.03 15:42:00 -
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Thomas Mayaki wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Nullsec has nothing to do with anything. Apart from the New Order being affiliated with a nullsec power
lol This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee & Grammar Gestapo. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2014.09.03 15:52:00 -
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Supremacyy wrote:It's sad but pilots like Veers want to see these ships destroyed so they can get their 15 minutes of fame.
My heart breaks a little each time I have to decommission a freighter or a mining barge because the owner refused to obey the laws of highsec. Please stop listening to Veers and get your permit today.
Remember even with your permit you must obey the law or it will be revoked. Do not worry though laws are clearly spelled out so their is no confusion. We can work together to make highsec a better place.
I fail to see the connection between ships getting destroyed and me getting famous. I actually declined a free "mining permit." |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
19
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Posted - 2014.09.03 15:54:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:A lot of highsec players are poor, are not looking for PvP, and are emotionally hurt when someone comes and blows their stuff up If you're "emotionally hurt" in RL because someone destroyed your pixels you need to stop playing video games all together.
When people invest a significant amount of time/energy in an activity, they tend to react to someone willfully destroying their, whether in pixel for or in RL. If you would spend weeks putting together a puzzle, or drawing a painting, and someone would come and destroy it, you would obviously be upset. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
19
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Posted - 2014.09.03 15:56:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:IIshira wrote:NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote: we all know it will predictably just get worse as more people become aware of the insane profits without risk for merely camping a gate in high sec. Wait the Carebear squad was saying it's not fair that they were blowing up empty freighters, it's not fair that CODE is only doing this for griefing blah blah blah and now you're saying that there's "insane profits" Come on guys get your story straight. It's like watching one of those late-night infomercials. You know the one, the annoying dude in the loud suit yelling at you that the US Government just wants to GIVE you all this free money. Ganking is just like that, see! It's just so easy, risk-free, simple, etc. You just go...and gank freighters in highsec. Just do it. Easy money! So easy CCP should nerf it! It's so easy nobody else is doing it because reasons.
Well CODE is doing it at a loss to make people cry. Many gankers are in fact doing it at a significant gail - check out how PASTA operates. Obviously there are only so many +EV ganks, and there is a crowd-out effect. What is new is CODE blowing up empty ships in major -EV fashion for giggles. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
19
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Posted - 2014.09.03 15:57:00 -
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Thomas Mayaki wrote:To fix the suicide ganking problem CCP needs desparately to fix nullsec. Currently the only point to nullsec is that it is an isk printing machine enabling bored null sec pilots to come to highsec for what little fun they have left in this game. It is a bit sad really.
This is 100% true - during my 2 hour TS session with CODE a lot of them admitted to being nullsec alts, and the implication was that the boredom of nullsec was making them look for new content in highsec. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
515
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Posted - 2014.09.03 15:58:00 -
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oh god, he's awake again. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3907
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Posted - 2014.09.03 15:59:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:IIshira wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:A lot of highsec players are poor, are not looking for PvP, and are emotionally hurt when someone comes and blows their stuff up If you're "emotionally hurt" in RL because someone destroyed your pixels you need to stop playing video games all together. When people invest a significant amount of time/energy in an activity, they tend to react to someone willfully destroying their, whether in pixel for or in RL. If you would spend weeks putting together a puzzle, or drawing a painting, and someone would come and destroy it, you would obviously be upset. yeah like how all those competitive sports athletes keep demanding the rules are changed so that their opponents have to let them win |
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3907
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Posted - 2014.09.03 16:01:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:IIshira wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:A lot of highsec players are poor, are not looking for PvP, and are emotionally hurt when someone comes and blows their stuff up If you're "emotionally hurt" in RL because someone destroyed your pixels you need to stop playing video games all together. When people invest a significant amount of time/energy in an activity, they tend to react to someone willfully destroying their, whether in pixel for or in RL. If you would spend weeks putting together a puzzle, or drawing a painting, and someone would come and destroy it, you would obviously be upset. yeah like how all those competitive sports athletes keep demanding the rules are changed so that their opponents have to let them win on account of all the mental breakdowns they're suffering for having to earn a victory fairly |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24397
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Posted - 2014.09.03 16:01:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Well CODE is doing it at a loss to make people cry. Do you have any proof of this?
Quote:When people invest a significant amount of time/energy in an activity, they tend to react to someone willfully destroying their, whether in pixel for or in RL. If you would spend weeks putting together a puzzle, or drawing a painting, and someone would come and destroy it, you would obviously be upset. Not if you lived on PieceSnap lane in PuzzleBreak-town, famous across the entire world for its gleefully antagonistic stance against puzzles, where it is considered bad manners to not set fire to your neighbour's puzzle to welcome them into the community.
Of course, anyone who doesn't share this culture was probably a bit silly for choosing to move there. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4583
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Posted - 2014.09.03 16:02:00 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:oh god, he's awake again. this is tame, do you remember this dirtbird?
Tippia wrote:Quote:When people invest a significant amount of time/energy in an activity, they tend to react to someone willfully destroying their, whether in pixel for or in RL. If you would spend weeks putting together a puzzle, or drawing a painting, and someone would come and destroy it, you would obviously be upset. Not if you lived on PieceSnap lane in PuzzleBreak-town, famous across the entire world for its gleefully antagonistic stance against puzzles, where it is considered bad manners to not set fire to your neighbour's puzzle to welcome them into the community. Of course, anyone who doesn't share this culture was probably a bit silly for choosing to move there. this place sounds amazing *crosses fingers* please don't be a fictitious place =][= |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
19
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Posted - 2014.09.03 16:02:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:IIshira wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:A lot of highsec players are poor, are not looking for PvP, and are emotionally hurt when someone comes and blows their stuff up If you're "emotionally hurt" in RL because someone destroyed your pixels you need to stop playing video games all together. When people invest a significant amount of time/energy in an activity, they tend to react to someone willfully destroying their, whether in pixel for or in RL. If you would spend weeks putting together a puzzle, or drawing a painting, and someone would come and destroy it, you would obviously be upset. yeah like how all those competitive sports athletes keep demanding the rules are changed so that their opponents have to let them win
Not seeing the analogy...losing a competition is one thing. Having someone come and destroy your hard work just to make you miserable is quite another. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24397
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Posted - 2014.09.03 16:05:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Not seeing the analogy...losing a competition is one thing. And losing a PvP encounter is the exact same thing. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3908
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Posted - 2014.09.03 16:12:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Tippia wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Not seeing the analogy...losing a competition is one thing. And losing a PvP encounter is the exact same thing. Sure...when its a competition, and the winner actually benefits in winning. Blowing up empty ships, pods, etc....Just to cause grief does not benefit the part doing the killing. mechanic benefit? no, there's none. but the game in still intended to allow players to do that. players have found a reason to do that. we call this the metagame.
a person who loses a freighter. suffered a minor drawback in a competitive computer game. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4414
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Posted - 2014.09.03 16:13:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Tippia wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Not seeing the analogy...losing a competition is one thing. And losing a PvP encounter is the exact same thing. Sure...when its a competition, and the winner actually benefits in winning. Blowing up empty ships, pods, etc....Just to cause grief does not benefit the part doing the killing.
Define benefit.
What's beneficial for you may not be beneficial for others. I know it's difficult for you to comprehend the meaning of 'objective' and sometimes, the objectives of others might seem alien to you, so pay very close attention now, because your continued ignorance, while amusing for us, is harmful only to you.
If I'm a freighter manufacturer, and I'm not selling any freighters, I might realise it's because they're not in demand.
In order to create that demand, I decide to blow a few up.
They can be empty freighters because the cost of the gank fleet is still less than what I'd be selling the victims new freighters for.
Anything they're carrying is spoils of war for the gank fleet.
I know all that's going to go over your head. I know, deep down, that you wanna be angry at everyone and just declare that ganking empty freighters can only ever be for the purpose of griefing, because it helps validate your unjustified hatred and anger and jealousy that you feel for your betters, which is virtually everyone else that's ever played EVE, but at the end of the day, you're a moron that knows nothing about the game, and I can't help you with that. Additionally, CCP have already addressed all of this stating that it's working as intended.
Capiche? GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24401
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Posted - 2014.09.03 16:15:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Destroyed is the not the same as Dropped. If that much is destroyed, you can bet that a fair portion is dropped as well.
You keep repeating the lie of non-profit; you keep failing to prove it, further demonstrating the fact that you have to lie to even appear as if you had an argument (which turns out to be irrelevant anyway).
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
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Posted - 2014.09.03 16:16:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Destroyed is the not the same as Dropped. If that much is destroyed, you can bet that a fair portion is dropped as well. You keep repeating the lie of non-profit; you keep failing to prove it, further demonstrating the fact that you have to lie to even appear as if you had an argument (which turns out to be irrelevant anyway).
Not enough dropped to cover the losses. Look at CODE's P/L - close to 400 billion raised, but only 10 billion in the treasury. Where is the profit here? The thing is a massive isk loser. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4415
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Posted - 2014.09.03 16:18:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Tippia wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Destroyed is the not the same as Dropped. If that much is destroyed, you can bet that a fair portion is dropped as well. You keep repeating the lie of non-profit; you keep failing to prove it, further demonstrating the fact that you have to lie to even appear as if you had an argument (which turns out to be irrelevant anyway). Not enough dropped to cover the losses. Look at CODE's P/L - close to 400 billion raised, but only 10 billion in the treasury. Where is the profit here? The thing is a massive isk loser.
This is the part where he assumes that isk is the one and only driving force of EVE online and no one ever just enjoys themselves regardless of the cost. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
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