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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
202
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Posted - 2014.06.17 18:48:00 -
[601] - Quote
This has escalated into a 25 page dreckstorm, all over some nitwit not understanding that exploding ships make the economy go. Someone should die for this IMO. |
Kalon Horan
Imperial Mining and Refining Ltd.
6
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Posted - 2014.06.17 18:49:00 -
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So... just to prove my point I grabbed a Nado and went to a popular suiciding system....
within roughly 15 minutes i found 2 -10 dessys....
both dead before they could suicide anyhting, sadly the char i am using has ****** skills so the faction police stole one of the killmails.
But i am happy to provide the killmail for the other one if you need proof.
Not going to post it here since it will be removed anyway. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
202
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Posted - 2014.06.17 18:58:00 -
[603] - Quote
Strike one against the 'Defenseless Popular Front' , omg wtf? Thanks by the way for proving that the inevitable isn't exactly that. Now, for the bears that can't seem to stop screaming over this shite... STFU and HTFU. That will be all. |
Kalon Horan
Imperial Mining and Refining Ltd.
8
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:01:00 -
[604] - Quote
Maybe i should start selling ganking permits :P |
De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies The Unthinkables
2211
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:04:00 -
[605] - Quote
Kalon Horan wrote:Maybe i should start selling ganking permits :P
*begin ironic sarcasm* OMG HOW DARE YOU?? Who are YOU to demand people pay you money to play the way they want to play? You evil *&)(%*&^)@)(@)*%&)^&)^)&*@)(*!_(*$_)(!$&((*&^)(*#^. CCP I demand that Anti-ganking gankiing be nerfed immediately!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *fin* GÇ£SandboxGÇ¥ does not mean that you will succeed at anything you attempt; it means you can attempt anything you want to succeed at. One of the largest obstacles in the way of your success is other players. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
666
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:06:00 -
[606] - Quote
Omar Alharazaad wrote:This has escalated into a 25 page dreckstorm, all over some nitwit not understanding that exploding ships make the economy go. Someone should die for this IMO. OPoster is a couple month old NPC corp alt with a grand total of 8 forum posts, all in this thread (including the OPost), out of almost 500 replies (not including ISD Dorrim's inevitable cleanup).
I'd call it OPeration success so far...! |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3416
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:10:00 -
[607] - Quote
De'Veldrin wrote:Kalon Horan wrote:Maybe i should start selling ganking permits :P *begin ironic sarcasm* OMG HOW DARE YOU?? Who are YOU to demand people pay you money to play the way they want to play? You evil *&)(%*&^)@)(@)*%&)^&)^)&*@)(*!_(*$_)(!$&((*&^)(*#^. CCP I demand that Anti-ganking gankiing be nerfed immediately!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *fin* well. the right to sell permits for an activity is dependant on if you can enforce a penalty |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3416
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:12:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:Kalon Horan wrote:Maybe i should start selling ganking permits :P *begin ironic sarcasm* OMG HOW DARE YOU?? Who are YOU to demand people pay you money to play the way they want to play? You evil *&)(%*&^)@)(@)*%&)^&)^)&*@)(*!_(*$_)(!$&((*&^)(*#^. CCP I demand that Anti-ganking gankiing be nerfed immediately!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *fin* well. the right to sell permits for an activity is dependant on if you can enforce a penalty this is related to the silly claim of 'you can't sell permits when you don't own the system!' some miners make
if a nullsec sov alliance cannot prevent someone mining in their space, they can't sell permits either |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
14438
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:16:00 -
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Kalon Horan wrote:Maybe i should start selling ganking permits :P
If you make a "New [system] code of conduct" that is both enthralling and patriotic, create a magnificent website dedicated to the tears / uneducated insights of your movement's victims, sell shares of the organization, and be both charismatic and inspiring to the masses and at the same time attempt through overwhelming kindness and understanding to help change the hearts and minds of those you target in order to create a better universe for us all to live and play in, then I will gladly purchase a permit!
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Kalon Horan
Imperial Mining and Refining Ltd.
8
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:20:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Kalon Horan wrote:Maybe i should start selling ganking permits :P If you make a "New [system] code of conduct" that is both enthralling and patriotic, create a magnificent website dedicated to the tears / uneducated insights of your movement's victims, sell shares of the organization, and be both charismatic and inspiring to the masses and at the same time attempt through overwhelming kindness and understanding to help change the hearts and minds of those you target in order to create a better universe for us all to live and play in, then I will gladly purchase a permit!
To make this work properly I would have to find a lot more people who are willing to join this side, but as this thread pretty clearly shows ppl rather whine here than trying to fight the gankers.
Unless I get contacted by lots of people who would be interested in something like that i am rather just enjoying killing some dessies :). |
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De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies The Unthinkables
2217
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:22:00 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:De'Veldrin, I think you should definitely proceed with your freighter escort venture. I think the baseline problem here is that people assume that something will not work before they even bother to put forth the effort to try. If you can show them results through your own efforts (in exchange for a reasonable fee of course, no such thing as a free lunch) perhaps it will reduce the amount of wailing and chestbeating that's going on over these perceived injustices against 'defenseless' ships.
Of course there's also the opportunity to lay a nasty trap and blap a fat freighter for the iskies. This is EVE after all.
I need a word for the corporation name:
Freighter ::word here:: and Protection Service.
Only requirement is that the word must start with an A. GÇ£SandboxGÇ¥ does not mean that you will succeed at anything you attempt; it means you can attempt anything you want to succeed at. One of the largest obstacles in the way of your success is other players. |
Mag's
the united
17478
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:24:00 -
[612] - Quote
De'Veldrin wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:De'Veldrin, I think you should definitely proceed with your freighter escort venture. I think the baseline problem here is that people assume that something will not work before they even bother to put forth the effort to try. If you can show them results through your own efforts (in exchange for a reasonable fee of course, no such thing as a free lunch) perhaps it will reduce the amount of wailing and chestbeating that's going on over these perceived injustices against 'defenseless' ships.
Of course there's also the opportunity to lay a nasty trap and blap a fat freighter for the iskies. This is EVE after all. I need a word for the corporation name: Freighter ::word here:: and Protection Service. Only requirement is that the word must start with an A. Freighter Cosies and Protection Service.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies The Unthinkables
2218
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:26:00 -
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Mag's wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:De'Veldrin, I think you should definitely proceed with your freighter escort venture. I think the baseline problem here is that people assume that something will not work before they even bother to put forth the effort to try. If you can show them results through your own efforts (in exchange for a reasonable fee of course, no such thing as a free lunch) perhaps it will reduce the amount of wailing and chestbeating that's going on over these perceived injustices against 'defenseless' ships.
Of course there's also the opportunity to lay a nasty trap and blap a fat freighter for the iskies. This is EVE after all. I need a word for the corporation name: Freighter ::word here:: and Protection Service. Only requirement is that the word must start with an A. Freighter aCosy and Protection Service.
Hmm, I wonder if I can make a corp logo that looks like a house elf. GÇ£SandboxGÇ¥ does not mean that you will succeed at anything you attempt; it means you can attempt anything you want to succeed at. One of the largest obstacles in the way of your success is other players. |
Auron Black
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:26:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Auron Black wrote: Do you even know what a strawman post is? Did you or did you not on page 19 say the faction popo could be tanked in a T3 or command ship or battleship? Did you or did you not say that the only reason gankers don't use higher value ships is because the faction popo exist? The answer to both is you did and it's all here in this thread.
How about you start to ante up some bigger ships and stop avoiding mechanics? Then you'll see some emergent white knight game play.
Pff. Like I said, at least put some effort into it. Yes, you can tank faction police in a T3 cruiser or a command ship. I also said, in case you actually can read and you care to look at it again, that you'd be insane to suicide gank in such ships, and actual instances of people tanking facpo are typically limited to camping trade hubs for people on the other side of faction warfare. I also said that the reason you don't see low sec status pilots in anything except disposable ships is because they are constantly hounded by facpo, so flying more expensive ships is stupid. Now, let's see if you can count, since that's a bit easier than reading. Can you put two and two together, and not get five? Because if you're actually talking about people using expensive ships to gank (which I wasn't), then the only way that will ever happen is if CONCORD is made into something besides a binary mechanic. So, carebear, if you actually want to see emergent gameplay, you need to stop abdicating your own defense to the magic omnipotent space police for once. But if you want to keep making up **** like Quote: Let me get this right if we remove faction police people will start ganking in T3s and battleships...
Which I neither said nor implied, then you can just take a hike.
Do you read what you post?
"I also said that the reason you don't see low sec status pilots in anything except disposable ships is because they are constantly hounded by facpo, so flying more expensive ships is stupid." How does this not imply that the only reason you don't gank in more expensive ships is because of the popo? Did you mean concord? You must see how that is confusing.
Of course it's insane to gank in an expensive ship, why would you? When you can do 80% of the damage in a ship that costs 2% of the price. Especially when the long lasting punishments like sec status and kill rights are so easily avoided. That's the entire issue though isn't it? You cry carebear but ultimately you're the one docked up watching netflix waiting to go out and shoot a gunless freighter with zero concern if your ship comes back or not but when it's worth less then 10mil why would you care.
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Mag's
the united
17478
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:29:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Mag's wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:
I need a word for the corporation name:
Freighter ::word here:: and Protection Service.
Only requirement is that the word must start with an A.
Freighter aCosy and Protection Service. Or Freighter A cosy and Protection Service. Hmm, I wonder if I can make a corp logo that looks like a house elf. Can't see why not.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6770
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:29:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Highsec is the "Helicopter Mom" / Overprotective parent of the regions. People who are raised by it, and are coddled by it their entire lives have no ability to cope with life outside of that cocoon.
OMG so much this lol. That's why the crying crowd tends to irk me. If they can't deal with the minor BS of a video game (BS I've somehow managed to survive and avoid in it's entirety since 2007), what happens to these people in a real life cluttered up with taxes, divorce, wayward kids and health problems? |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
14440
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:29:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote: I need a word for the corporation name:
Freighter ::word here:: and Protection Service.
Only requirement is that the word must start with an A.
Freightline Assistance and Protection Services. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies The Unthinkables
2221
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:30:00 -
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GOT IT!!
Freighter Accompaniment and Protection Service [FAPS.]
We at FAPS. take the escort of your precious commodities seriously. Our patented Freighter Accompnient Protection (FAP) process will insure that your freighter reaches its intended destination. By blanketing your freighter in the results of our FAPping, gankers will by stymied in their attempts to do harm to your hard enarned merchandise. Don't trust look alikes or copy cats - we can FAP longer and harder than any of them. Trust your freight the the professionals. Trust us to FAP all over your freighter.
Edit: Assistance would also work. GÇ£SandboxGÇ¥ does not mean that you will succeed at anything you attempt; it means you can attempt anything you want to succeed at. One of the largest obstacles in the way of your success is other players. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
14442
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:36:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:GOT IT!!
Freighter Accompaniment and Protection Service [FAPS.]
::good stuffs::.
No... make it more... psssssshhhhhh. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Auron Black
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:36:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Highsec is the "Helicopter Mom" / Overprotective parent of the regions. People who are raised by it, and are coddled by it their entire lives have no ability to cope with life outside of that cocoon.
OMG so much this lol. That's why the crying crowd tends to irk me. If they can't deal with the minor BS of a video game (BS I've somehow managed to survive and avoid in it's entirety since 2007), what happens to these people in a real life clutters up with taxes, divorce, wayward kids and health problems?
Because in real life d bags who are d bags just for the sake of being a d bag generally get punished harshly for it. In eve it's celebrated for some reason as being some form of "content creation". |
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De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies The Unthinkables
2221
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:39:00 -
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Auron Black wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Highsec is the "Helicopter Mom" / Overprotective parent of the regions. People who are raised by it, and are coddled by it their entire lives have no ability to cope with life outside of that cocoon.
OMG so much this lol. That's why the crying crowd tends to irk me. If they can't deal with the minor BS of a video game (BS I've somehow managed to survive and avoid in it's entirety since 2007), what happens to these people in a real life clutters up with taxes, divorce, wayward kids and health problems? Because in real life d bags who are d bags just for the sake of being a d bag generally get punished harshly for it. In eve it's celebrated for some reason as being some form of "content creation".
Feel free to go and punish them for being d-bags. GÇ£SandboxGÇ¥ does not mean that you will succeed at anything you attempt; it means you can attempt anything you want to succeed at. One of the largest obstacles in the way of your success is other players. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3419
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:39:00 -
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Auron Black wrote:Do you read what you post?
"I also said that the reason you don't see low sec status pilots in anything except disposable ships is because they are constantly hounded by facpo, so flying more expensive ships is stupid." How does this not imply that the only reason you don't gank in more expensive ships is because of the popo? Did you mean concord? You must see how that is confusing.
low sec status is not ganker
De'Veldrin wrote:GOT IT!!
Freighter Accompaniment and Protection Service [FAPS.]
We at FAPS. take the escort of your precious commodities seriously. Our patented Freighter Accompnient Protection (FAP) process will insure that your freighter reaches its intended destination. By blanketing your freighter in the results of our FAPping, gankers will by stymied in their attempts to do harm to your hard enarned merchandise. Don't trust look alikes or copy cats - we can FAP longer and harder than any of them. Trust your freight the the professionals. Trust us to FAP all over your freighter.
Edit: Assistance would also work. *golf clap |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
668
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:40:00 -
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Auron Black wrote:Do you read what you post?
"I also said that the reason you don't see low sec status pilots in anything except disposable ships is because they are constantly hounded by facpo, so flying more expensive ships is stupid." How does this not imply that the only reason you don't gank in more expensive ships is because of the popo? Did you mean concord? You must see how that is confusing. Having low sec status doesn't mean you're a highsec ganker.
You could be a lowsec PVPer, like me.
Let us roam freely in highsec, I promise we'll bring content. We may randomly execute some gankers, for example. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6771
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:45:00 -
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Auron Black wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Highsec is the "Helicopter Mom" / Overprotective parent of the regions. People who are raised by it, and are coddled by it their entire lives have no ability to cope with life outside of that cocoon.
OMG so much this lol. That's why the crying crowd tends to irk me. If they can't deal with the minor BS of a video game (BS I've somehow managed to survive and avoid in it's entirety since 2007), what happens to these people in a real life clutters up with taxes, divorce, wayward kids and health problems? Because in real life d bags who are d bags just for the sake of being a d bag generally get punished harshly for it. In eve it's celebrated for some reason as being some form of "content creation".
Firstly, at no time does being a 'd-bag' get punished in real life. Being a criminal sometimes does, but even then people like me (ie police officers) don't just magically drop out of the sky to do it.
Secondly, it is content creation, and it is celebrated, has been since 2003. CCP specifically made a game of high freedom knowing full well that many people would choose to play the bad guy. That you don't like something that is and has been a part of EVE's ethos since day one demonstrates that your choice to play EVE is the incorrect thing, not anything gankers or CCP are doing. |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1839
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:46:00 -
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Auron Black wrote:
Do you read what you post?
"I also said that the reason you don't see low sec status pilots in anything except disposable ships is because they are constantly hounded by facpo, so flying more expensive ships is stupid." How does this not imply that the only reason you don't gank in more expensive ships is because of the popo? Did you mean concord? You must see how that is confusing.
Of course it's insane to gank in an expensive ship, why would you? When you can do 80% of the damage in a ship that costs 2% of the price. Especially when the long lasting punishments like sec status and kill rights are so easily avoided. That's the entire issue though isn't it? You cry carebear but ultimately you're the one docked up watching netflix waiting to go out and shoot a gunless freighter with zero concern if your ship comes back or not but when it's worth less then 10mil why would you care.
It's not really a matter of ship expense, for ganking. Sure, it plays a part, but it's more a matter of using the most efficient ship for the job, given the circumstances. It just so happens that the standard catalyst gives a good combination of ease to train into, DPS, fitting, and abundance on the market.
Back when ganking was profitable, that's when we cared about how much our ships cost. Since you can't really make a profit on general ganking anymore, we've kinda stopped caring about the ISK. And got organized. And started pooling funds to offset wallet hits.
We've reached the point now, where ship cost really isn't that big an issue. It's not a single guy worrying about his own limited funds, it's a whole community, with access to pooled funds, help from others, etc. Sure, CCP could buff up barges to the point that destroyers won't hurt them. We'll switch over to T3 BC hulls, flip our industry also over to BC hull production, and run our mission alts to create large faction ammo. This thread officially has 25% more pssssssshhh than leading competitors. |
Kalon Horan
Imperial Mining and Refining Ltd.
8
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:48:00 -
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Auron Black wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Highsec is the "Helicopter Mom" / Overprotective parent of the regions. People who are raised by it, and are coddled by it their entire lives have no ability to cope with life outside of that cocoon.
OMG so much this lol. That's why the crying crowd tends to irk me. If they can't deal with the minor BS of a video game (BS I've somehow managed to survive and avoid in it's entirety since 2007), what happens to these people in a real life clutters up with taxes, divorce, wayward kids and health problems? Because in real life d bags who are d bags just for the sake of being a d bag generally get punished harshly for it. In eve it's celebrated for some reason as being some form of "content creation".
Nice to see how you completly ignore all of my posts explaining how you can punish them yourself. What you want is not for them to be punished, what you want is someone holing your hand.
Use the tools that are given to you and make life harder for them..... oh wait.. the ISK/hour in that is to bad for you to make it worthwhile... |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7211
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:55:00 -
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Auron Black wrote: Do you read what you post?
One of us has to.
Quote: How does this not imply that the only reason you don't gank in more expensive ships is because of the popo? Did you mean concord? You must see how that is confusing.
It's only confusing if you don't realize that there are other ways to lose sec status than ganking. And there are low sec status pilots out there that are not suicide gankers. I would wager to say the majority of them.
So, what it "implies" (as opposed to what you incorrectly infer), is that I believe that the people who cry about how gankers always dock up until they find a target are hypocrites for defending the very thing that makes up a large part of why low sec status characters stay docked up in the first place. And that I think you'd see more low sec status characters undocked in open space if facpo were removed from the game for everyone except faction warfare characters.
Quote: You cry carebear but ultimately you're the one docked up watching netflix waiting to go out and shoot a gunless freighter with zero concern if your ship comes back or not but when it's worth less then 10mil why would you care.
Actually I play Guns of Icarus while I wait out criminal timers. Netflix has gotten fairly bad in recent years, their selection sucks. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7217
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:57:00 -
[628] - Quote
Auron Black wrote: Because in real life d bags who are d bags just for the sake of being a d bag generally get punished harshly for it. In eve it's celebrated for some reason as being some form of "content creation".
I wonder what you would say if I told you that I recreationally go to Walmart to laugh at fat women. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Viziam Amarr Empire
2081
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:58:00 -
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I cant tell, is he salvos,de or iz?
"CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
671
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Posted - 2014.06.17 20:01:00 -
[630] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:I cant tell, is he salvos,de or iz?
I'm hoping for IZ, running over gankers with his motorcycle. |
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