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infra52x
University of Caille Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:13:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Winter Archipelago wrote: Quit whining for CCP to hold your hand, and either fix the "problem" yourself, or go back to WoW.
I'll add my voice to this as well. In fact, OP, just quit. You keep chestbeating about how you think the game will die if bad players are allowed to be blown up, so why not be a man, show some conviction, and vote with your wallet?
So a defensless freighter pilot hauling rubber dog poop to jita who gets ganked by 20 throw away suicide alts is a bad player?
mmkay |
Tilly Delnero
Licorne Ventures Ltd.
113
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:13:00 -
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infra52x wrote:Let's get some guns on our freighters, maybe some drones, ability to use ecm bursts and that spectrum analyzer thingamajingi and an mjd.... Armed merchants crossing the atlantic while U-boats hunted them in packs....
wow man, this is good stuff Freighters getting CONCORDokkened for engaging in hostile actions would indeed be hilarious. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7072
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:14:00 -
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infra52x wrote: So a defensless freighter pilot hauling rubber dog poop to jita who gets ganked by 20 throw away suicide alts is a bad player?
mmkay
A freighter pilot who autopilots through Aufay/Uedama is a bad player, yes. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3348
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:15:00 -
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infra52x wrote:So a defensless freighter pilot hauling rubber dog poop to jita who gets ganked by 20 throw away suicide alts is a bad player?
mmkay rubber dog poop doesn't have a large volume and didn't need cargo expanders in place of defences |
Carmen Electra
Drunk Chaos Blood.Drunk
481
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:15:00 -
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I've done a lot of ganking along the Jita pipe with a nado and recently moved to ganking mission runners with a fleet of thrashers. Ganking is difficult, and requires a lot of patience and practice. Of everything I've done in EVE, it's probably the thing that gets my heart racing the most. If you think ganking is some sort of WIN button, you might want to try it yourself. It's a huge challenge to not operate at a loss. There are a lot of factors that come into play that you won't know about until you try it yourself.
Also, operating in high sec with -10.0 sec status is extremely difficult. You basically have to sit outside of your gank ship in a pod, hop in it when you acquire a target, and then perfectly time your landing. (Which can EASILY be screwed up by a target holding cloak when they see a flashing red person waiting on the gate).
I have gained a ton of respect for gankers by doing it myself. You should try it. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1342
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:16:00 -
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Themepark carebear tears. Good. The Tears Must Flow |
infra52x
University of Caille Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:18:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:infra52x wrote: So basically what your saying is for the freighter pilot who just got gutted, to reship into an insta lock tornado with 1400mm artties that he may or may not be able to fly and station camp someones throw away alt?
mmmkay
No. He's suggesting that if you don't like ganking, that instead of crying on the forums, you grow a spine and do something about it. He's suggesting that if you don't want to get shot at, you need to stop flying a ship with no guns. He's suggesting that if you're tired of being chased by the lions, that you stop deliberately being a prey animal.
Ok, I hear ya, fly only what your willing to lose....Now after hearing that they are blindly killing everything in sight, empty cargo or not... What ship do you recomend? Keep in mind, they kill everything that moves. Let's all just fly stabbed, cloaked ships why dont we.... Better yet, all freighter pilots unite and stop hauling altogether. Highsec is going to the dogs, null is safer as always. |
Milan Nantucket
New Eden Misfits
131
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:19:00 -
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I have to agree negative sec status isn't really a punishment. The punishment would be grinding it back up.... either way it is really hard now to get to -10.... used to be in low sec you blow a ship your a criminal.. Now your just suspect so you have to go for the pod...
The easier way is to gank in high sec where you actually get a real sec status hit. |
Winter Archipelago
Fade.
228
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:20:00 -
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infra52x wrote:So basically what your saying is for the freighter pilot who just got gutted, to reship into an insta lock tornado with 1400mm artties that he may or may not be able to fly and station camp someones throw away alt?
mmmkay I have no clue how you got that out of what I said. You can create dedicated alts, you can hire mercs, you can fight back in a T1 cruiser with meta-level mods by camping the gate they're camping and starting to shoot them as soon as they come on grid (remember, they're -10, so they're free-for-all and you won't get CONCORDOKENED). But you know what the single, most powerful weapon against a suicide ganker is?
A Griffin.
They're cheap, and you can get some extremely good ECM skills using nothing more than an Alpha clone and 2-3 days' training. Watch the gates, staying off-grid, while D-Scanning. As soon as you see an influx of Catalysts and Taloses (Talosii? Talosus?), warp in, lock up, and jam them. The majority of suicide gankers do a fair bit of math to figure out just how much firepower they need while minimizing their costs. Losing one or two ships' worth of firepower can (and often will) make the gank fail.
If you you did want to ratchet up the anti-ganker game, skill into a Falcon and sit on grid of the gate, cloaked. As soon as the gankers come on-grid and start shooting, decloak and jam them out.
Really, though, all you need is 2-3 days' time to skill up a very powerful Griffin to shut down a group of gankers. Using an insta-locking Tornado alt to camp their gate or station is just for the killmails and tears. Ransoms are accepted in Isk, Ships, Mods, and Dolls. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7074
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:21:00 -
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infra52x wrote: Ok, I hear ya, fly only what your willing to lose....Now after hearing that they are blindly killing everything in sight, empty cargo or not... What ship do you recomend? Keep in mind, they kill everything that moves. Let's all just fly stabbed, cloaked ships why dont we.... Better yet, all freighter pilots unite and stop hauling altogether. Highsec is going to the dogs, null is safer as always.
Stop autopiloting through Aufay without a webber. I've flown through there in a faction battleship and haven't been ganked. Because I'm not flying like a complacent idiot.
I also recommend, and I know this is counter intuitive to people like you, actually fitting a tank. You can totally do that now by the way, so there's really no excuse. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
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infra52x
University of Caille Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:21:00 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:I've done a lot of ganking along the Jita pipe with a nado and recently moved to ganking mission runners with a fleet of thrashers. Ganking is difficult, and requires a lot of patience and practice. Of everything I've done in EVE, it's probably the thing that gets my heart racing the most. If you think ganking is some sort of WIN button, you might want to try it yourself. It's a huge challenge to not operate at a loss. There are a lot of factors that come into play that you won't know about until you try it yourself.
Also, operating in high sec with -10.0 sec status is extremely difficult. You basically have to sit outside of your gank ship in a pod, hop in it when you acquire a target, and then perfectly time your landing. (Which can EASILY be screwed up by a target holding cloak when they see a flashing red person waiting on the gate).
I have gained a ton of respect for gankers by doing it myself. You should try it.
Ganking mission runners required no skill right after the MTU was added to the game.... All you had to do was aggro the MTU while the mission runner had his drone out.... |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
596
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:24:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:Best way to get -10 Pirates out in space where people can kill them?
Remove the ******** half-brother of Concord - the Faction Police. (Long overdue since Crimewatch release anyway)
Pirates would no longer be required to stay in station, and so-called 'highsec badasses' that want to 'get them' might have a shot at it.
But removing faction police would just make carebears cry even harder. I can hear it now - "Oh, Oh - that makes the game 'too easy' for criminals!"
You can't have it both ways.
If you want stupid NPC police to protect you by forcing pirates into hiding when idle, you DON'T get to whine when they act in a (rational) way that won't let you 'get at them'. This +1000!
Remove the highsec/lowsec barrier! It obviously isn't stopping suicide ganks, is it?
Let us nice lowsec piwets back in highsec, we'll take care of those nasty gankers for you!
Show some support here. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
908
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:24:00 -
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Winter Archipelago wrote:infra52x wrote:So basically what your saying is for the freighter pilot who just got gutted, to reship into an insta lock tornado with 1400mm artties that he may or may not be able to fly and station camp someones throw away alt?
mmmkay I have no clue how you got that out of what I said. You can create dedicated alts, you can hire mercs, you can fight back in a T1 cruiser with meta-level mods by camping the gate they're camping and starting to shoot them as soon as they come on grid (remember, they're -10, so they're free-for-all and you won't get CONCORDOKENED). But you know what the single, most powerful weapon against a suicide ganker is? A Griffin.
Honestly, I don't know why you are bothering. He doesn't want practical solutions. He just wants fly that butthurt-freighter-pilot-anonymous-posting-alt flag. |
infra52x
University of Caille Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:24:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:infra52x wrote: Ok, I hear ya, fly only what your willing to lose....Now after hearing that they are blindly killing everything in sight, empty cargo or not... What ship do you recomend? Keep in mind, they kill everything that moves. Let's all just fly stabbed, cloaked ships why dont we.... Better yet, all freighter pilots unite and stop hauling altogether. Highsec is going to the dogs, null is safer as always.
Stop autopiloting through Aufay without a webber. I've flown through there in a faction battleship and haven't been ganked. Because I'm not flying like a complacent idiot. I also recommend, and I know this is counter intuitive to people like you, actually fitting a tank. You can totally do that now by the way, so there's really no excuse.
I have yet to be ganked and having been playing since 2003. Been raped in nullsec but never in highsec.... a game of alts man... |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7074
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:25:00 -
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infra52x wrote: I have yet to be ganked and having been playing since 2003. Been raped in nullsec but never in highsec.... a game of alts man...
Yeah, I don't believe you.
This much butthurt only has one source. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
679
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:29:00 -
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Noragli wrote:When you let one group of players mercilessly grief another set, you lose players. I feel some evidence would help this point.
Noragli wrote:It's obvious to anyone who looks at it with a clear mind. If players are not enjoying the game, they quit. Or go mine in high sec. Lots of people do that. I don't see the relation with your previous point though.
Noragli wrote:You have this certain group of players who spend all their days in empire space just suicide ganking other players because it's the only thing that gives them pleasure in the game any more. Go hang out with some gankers some time. You'll quickly find that this is not the case.
Noragli wrote:Many of the victims never saw it coming or even imagined it could happen, then suddenly their ship is dead and pod is killed by a group of up to 25 players in cheap destroyers. This "style" of playing the game no doubt costs EVE many subscriptions. Actually, I doubt this. If they were flying freighters, they should know that being ganked is a risk. Actually let me ammend that. If they undock, they should know being ganked is a risk. They chose to risk a larger ship, and fly without checking proper intel. They got unlucky and paid the price.
Noragli wrote:It shouldn't be possible to board a ship in a system where your security status is below the acceptable limit for that system. -10? You can't board a ship in high security space, or you can but concord will be on you instantly, same as when you enter space in a ship after committing a concord sanctionable offense. Simple and obvious fix to a serious problem.
Then just keep an eye on the price of the security status repair npc drops, if it's still too cheap to get back to 0.0 security status then reduce drop rate. This is possibly the worst "solution" I have ever seen to ganking being a "problem". What do you tell -10 low sec pirates that wish shop at a trade hub? They can't? It is not pheasible to play eve as a solo player without entering high sec in the current incarnation of the game. You talk about player retention, but want to get rid of more than a quarter of the player base. (low sec pirates, high sec gankers, and anyone in null/w-space that doesn't want to think about sec status).
New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
infra52x
University of Caille Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:29:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:infra52x wrote: I have yet to be ganked and having been playing since 2003. Been raped in nullsec but never in highsec.... a game of alts man...
Yeah, I don't believe you. This much butthurt only has one source.
Let's setup a poly, your place or mine? |
Tilly Delnero
Licorne Ventures Ltd.
113
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:30:00 -
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Milan Nantucket wrote:I have to agree negative sec status isn't really a punishment. The punishment would be grinding it back up.... either way it is really hard now to get to -10.... used to be in low sec you blow a ship your a criminal.. Now your just suspect so you have to go for the pod...
The easier way is to gank in high sec where you actually get a real sec status hit. We were talking about this not too long ago, and to be honest it isn't hard at all to grind the sec back up - with the ability to buy sec-4-tags it's almost trivial and not really an issue for suicide ganking alts who only ever log in to gank and never need the sec status for anything else. The fact that people with -10 are still able to use medical clones in highsec is what's always baffled me, aren't those stations technically aiding and abetting criminals?
Even the NPCs can't be bothered to RP.
I blame Chribba. |
infra52x
University of Caille Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:31:00 -
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Fly safe everyone! I'm off this thread, was fun....
Got me some freighter ganking to do ))) |
Qaping Pi
Solvent Green Recycling
12
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:32:00 -
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infra52x wrote:Ganking mission runners required no skill right after the MTU was added to the game.... All you had to do was aggro the MTU while the mission runner had his drone out....
Takes more skill than not setting your drones on aggressive, especially when someone that's not you is clearly inside your mission. |
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3349
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:36:00 -
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Qaping Pi wrote:infra52x wrote:Ganking mission runners required no skill right after the MTU was added to the game.... All you had to do was aggro the MTU while the mission runner had his drone out.... Takes more skill than not setting your drones on aggressive, especially when someone that's not you is clearly inside your mission. that's secret D: |
Winter Archipelago
Fade.
228
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:39:00 -
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infra52x wrote: Ok, I hear ya, fly only what your willing to lose....Now after hearing that they are blindly killing everything in sight, empty cargo or not... What ship do you recomend? Keep in mind, they kill everything that moves. Let's all just fly stabbed, cloaked ships why dont we.... Better yet, all freighter pilots unite and stop hauling altogether. Highsec is going to the dogs, null is safer as always.
My industry alt uses a Deep Space Transport with a 10mn MWD and a Prototype Cloak while moving things from trade hubs to her base and back. Sure, it only gets 60k m3 of cargo, but it only costs 150-200m ISK, as well.
Losing it, though, is not exactly common when you can overheat yourself to BS-level tank (and better), not to mention the ability to warp in 10 seconds while not being visible during 8 or 9 of those seconds.
Use the Cloak+MWD trick and any type of sub-cap (including an Orca) can essentially warp in 10 seconds while being very hard to grab during the "spool-up" time, and even if you did manage to get grabbed, with pre-heated mods (turn on the heat, but don't activate the mods, and they won't start burning out until they get used) and it's going to take some impressive numbers to break you. Ransoms are accepted in Isk, Ships, Mods, and Dolls. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
601
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:51:00 -
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OP, this is the Aufay backstory, as far as I can imagine it.
A guy called James 315 decides to create something 'new' and 'big' in highsec.
He starts bumping and ganking miners.
He creates a pretty complex narrative around it.
He makes a blog, and posts every single day for over 2 years.
He garners readers, supporters, associates and over 350 Bil ISK.
He meets a guy called loyalanon.
They decide to blow up as much stuff as they can in Aufay, managing to achieve Burn Jita levels of destruction.
Some random forum alt (you) whines about it.
TL;DR: you're saying CCP should 'protect' your freighter instead of allowing dedicated EVE players to destroy it (and several others) after 2+ years of effort
OP, gtfo!
Alternative TL;DR if you're actually a CODE. alt: well played |
Marsha Mallow
1084
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:53:00 -
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Noragli wrote:I want to point out the kills made by the character loyalanon and his buddies, specifically many of the kills made in Aufay (0.5) on 14th june. You can find them on eve-kill.net
I am not linking direct to the killboard, but his group (mostly his corporation "The Conference Elite" and a few others, suicide ganked freighters, many of them empty or carrying nothing of value. They also targetted other ships of value where they could cause a large isk loss to the player, even if they were certain to get nothing out of it for themselves. Aufay was reported as an active freighter gank hotspot on the 10th here. One of the reasons cited: since the freighter changes, some players have sacrificed potentially more HP for cargo, because they're greedy, foolish and ignorant. I can't really see how it can be considered 'griefing' to highlight this fact so quickly. The gankers are doing the hordes a favour by demonstrating the error in using this fit imo. Considering how many people are claiming their own errors are a 'reason for sub decline' does that mean the bad players are getting the hint and leaving?
Here are the things freighter pilots have control over
- fitting choices
- afk hauling through hotspots
- using a web alt/scout
- checking the safety of their route
- carrying excessive high value items
- paying attention to media coverage
- using reasonable degrees of caution in all areas of space
If you can't do any of those things, you shouldn't be flying a freighter in the first place. Just use courier contracts.
ps. you just encouraged me to move an alt to Aufay too TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5001
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:54:00 -
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And they laughed at me when I was running MWD-cloak in an empty Wreathe for "practice"..... Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Serene Repose
1379
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:54:00 -
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Gankers get kinda wordy when you mention taking in some slack on 'em, don't they?
*tosses out the hush puppies* I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3873
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:56:00 -
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Psh. There has been suicide ganking in Aufay long before CODE was around. Trade route to Jita and Amarr, 0.5 security. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
367
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Posted - 2014.06.16 17:59:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Gankers get kinda wordy when you mention taking in some slack on 'em, don't they?
*tosses out the hush puppies* Or if they THINK you're gonna mention sumpthin'...or if they think you MIGHT be THINKING about mentioning...in fact, gankers would prefer reason itself be suspended universally. It's the only thing that's "FAIR".
Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
908
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Posted - 2014.06.16 18:01:00 -
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Why is it suddenly 'beyond the pale' for empty freighters to be ganked?
First, if I was going to lose a freighter - I'd hope it was empty.
Second, do carebears really think there exists some kind of ''unspoken" rule that empty freighters should not be ganked? And if they are ganked - it requires CCP take action? |
Tilly Delnero
Licorne Ventures Ltd.
113
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Posted - 2014.06.16 18:05:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Psh. There has been suicide ganking in Aufay long before CODE was around. Trade route to Jita and Amarr, 0.5 security. But despite this already having been done thousands of times over ten years, it's 'emergent gameplay' when CODE do it, don't ya know? |
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