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Titania Hrothgar
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
50
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Posted - 2014.06.19 17:38:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Noragli wrote:When you let one group of players mercilessly grief another set, you lose players. Blowing up a player's spaceship in a game about blowing up spaceships isn't griefing.
This.
Saying that the people attacked were helpless victims who never saw it coming is also wrong. Everyone in Eve knows it's coming. Hell, even high sec corps will destroy other miners who encroach on what they call "Their asteroids." Yet there's no mention of this. Yes, even high sec carebears will attack other miners to control a territory.
Every time you bring out your miner, you are at risk of being blown up by someone. Every time you undock your ship, you're at risk of being attacked.
If you want to minimize it and don't want to join a corp, align your ships to a star base, mine in different locations (never in the same spot for very long), and always keep an eye on local channel and watch for enemy ships. If you see red, hit your warp button.
I had someone bump me yesterday, but I was fast enough on my warp button that I was able to re-align and warp out of there. I lost about 700,000 ISK in ore because something had spooked me earlier so i had already emptied all of my cans.
If you're in a miner, you have to be skittish. Nothing is too small a reason to high tail it out of there taking all the ore you can carry with you.
Pirates attack people and steal your ore. It's what pirates do! This is a game that has pirates. Deal with it.
Titania Hrothgar |
Heinrich Erquilenne
Foundation Cutting-Edge
2
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Posted - 2014.06.19 17:39:00 -
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Mag's wrote:I'm making no assumptions. I'm not the one claiming that playing the game by the rules, means that I am forcing either a play style on others, or making you have to deal with others. It's the sandbox nature of the game, that causes those interactions.
You can try to have a full solo experience in a sandbox MMO if you wish. (lol) But don't be surprised if you find other players interfering with that ideal. But I do find it funny that you'd play Eve and think that's even possible. It's also funny you think that if they did interfere, it's somehow something they are forcing on you and griefing.
Irony indeed.
I'm not looking for a solo experience, I'm looking for being ignored when I chose to be ignored (and play with people in my corp the rest of the time and it's FYI not a mining or industry corp). Sure, there are people who will try to interfere with me when I am mining. I insist on try. If such people want to waste a couple of battleships to kill a 16M ISKs 100k+ EHP mining ship with maybe 5-6M worth of consoles, then by all means I'll troll them until they come to me and enjoy their losses to the concord. Other attempts with less powerful ships will be a waste of time for them and the concord will have blown their ships up before mine has a scratch on its hull. I made the maths, and you either need two battleships or at the very least 15 T2 catalysts to suicide gank my poor procurer. Sure, they can try to interfere with me when I chose to be ignored. That doesn't mean my "GTFO" fitting isn't going to allow me to ignore them even if they insist. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
715
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Posted - 2014.06.19 17:39:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:You all need to be burned alive in your pods... This brings up an important question. At what temperature does pod goo vaporize? Also, does that temperature increase when enclosed in a pod due to pressure, or after cooking does it solidify?
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malcovas Henderson
THoF
176
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Posted - 2014.06.19 17:44:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote:baltec1 wrote:Morihei Akachi wrote:baltec1 wrote: summoning concord to protect you is abusing the game mechanics, if you want a fleet to protect you then you must get the players to do it, not an invincible npc fleet.
This makes no sense to me. The cost of summoning Concord is the same as the cost of ganking the freighter to begin with: a ship and some security status. How is the one an exploit and the other not? You can summon concord with an ibis, the ship is free so no, it is not the same cost. The reason why it is an exploit is because concord make it impossible to kill the target when they are on grid and there is no way of getting rid of them. Concord is there to punish, not protect. Protection is the job of players, not god mode NPCs. I beg to differ. If I summon Concord in an Ibis, by shooting the freighter I am protecting. Concord is actually coming to punish me. It's a jolly good bonus the freighter gains in protection though. People used the same kind of argument to try and keep boomerang, it didn't wash. You are using concord as invincible mercs to protect your assets. That's the job of players, not invincible NPCs.
Ok. So I see your scout on grid, I decide to pre-emptive strike him by "Ganking" him. Concord appear. So what's the difference? Concord still arrive to punish me, AND I get a massive protection boost. Or is what you are saying, only gankers are allowed to gank?
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2374
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Posted - 2014.06.19 17:45:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Solecist Project wrote:You all need to be burned alive in your pods... This brings up an important question. At what temperature does pod goo vaporize? Also, does that temperature increase when enclosed in a pod due to pressure, or after cooking does it solidify? Solidify. I think I considered it a name ones, but went for Solidity.
I will answer your question with a response that spans across all possible variations of possible responses.
1.) A few thousand degree is a temperature high enough that it's completely irrelevant if Fahrenheit or Celsius. 2.) 8x Large YF-12. Who cares about temperature anyway... The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
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Heinrich Erquilenne
Foundation Cutting-Edge
2
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Posted - 2014.06.19 17:53:00 -
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Mag's wrote:So you were wrong. Glad we sorted that out.
Obviously you don't read and there's no point trying to make you understand that you can make ganking attempts not worth it, and have a fully AFK mining experience with only small adjustments. Nevermind. |
Mag's
the united
17515
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Posted - 2014.06.19 17:55:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Mag's wrote:Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:
I'm not looking for a solo experience, I'm looking for being ignored when I chose to be ignored (and play with people in my corp the rest of the time and it's FYI not a mining or industry corp). Sure, there are people who will try to interfere with me when I am mining. I insist on try. If such people want to waste a couple of battleships to kill a 16M ISKs 100k+ EHP mining ship with maybe 5-6M worth of consoles, then by all means I'll troll them until they come to me and enjoy their losses to the concord. Other attempts with less powerful ships will be a waste of time for them and the concord will have blown their ships up before mine has a scratch on its hull. I made the maths, and you either need two battleships or at the very least 15 T2 catalysts to suicide gank my poor procurer. Sure, they can try to interfere with me when I chose to be ignored. That doesn't mean my "GTFO" fitting isn't going to allow me to ignore them even if they insist.
So you were wrong. Glad we sorted that out. Hey Mag! Glad to see you around. I don't get this guy. He's asking to be bumped off the belt. I wanna see him mine that way... Hey Solecist. Like the new avatar.
He's not got his argument in a fixed position either, so .......
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19028
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Posted - 2014.06.19 17:55:00 -
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Spectral Tiger wrote:Gankers gank what they consider soft targets. Somewhat correct, which raises the point that by not being a soft target, you tend not to be the victim of ganking.
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2378
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Posted - 2014.06.19 17:58:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Mag's wrote:Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:
I'm not looking for a solo experience, I'm looking for being ignored when I chose to be ignored (and play with people in my corp the rest of the time and it's FYI not a mining or industry corp). Sure, there are people who will try to interfere with me when I am mining. I insist on try. If such people want to waste a couple of battleships to kill a 16M ISKs 100k+ EHP mining ship with maybe 5-6M worth of consoles, then by all means I'll troll them until they come to me and enjoy their losses to the concord. Other attempts with less powerful ships will be a waste of time for them and the concord will have blown their ships up before mine has a scratch on its hull. I made the maths, and you either need two battleships or at the very least 15 T2 catalysts to suicide gank my poor procurer. Sure, they can try to interfere with me when I chose to be ignored. That doesn't mean my "GTFO" fitting isn't going to allow me to ignore them even if they insist.
So you were wrong. Glad we sorted that out. Hey Mag! Glad to see you around. I don't get this guy. He's asking to be bumped off the belt. I wanna see him mine that way... Hey Solecist. Like the new avatar. He's not got his argument in a fixed position either, so ....... Thanks! :D Changed it yesterday, but hasn't updated yet.
Admit it, you were staring too. ;) The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
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Mag's
the united
17519
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Posted - 2014.06.19 17:59:00 -
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Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:Mag's wrote:So you were wrong. Glad we sorted that out. Obviously you don't read and there's no point trying to make you understand that you can make ganking attempts not worth it, and have a fully AFK mining experience with only small adjustments. Nevermind. Oh I read. You just need to get your argument straight and try not to be so contrary.
Playing by the rules in a sandbox MMO, is not forcing or griefing anyone.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2378
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Posted - 2014.06.19 18:00:00 -
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Heinrich Erquilenne wrote:Mag's wrote:So you were wrong. Glad we sorted that out. Obviously you don't read and there's no point trying to make you understand that you can make ganking attempts not worth it, and have a fully AFK mining experience with only small adjustments. Nevermind. It is not physically possible to experience something that's happening when you aren't there.
Live feeds don't count as actual experince, btw, mostly because they aren't allowing people to actually experience something fully. The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
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malcovas Henderson
THoF
176
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Posted - 2014.06.19 18:00:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote: Ok. So I see your scout on grid, I decide to pre-emptive strike him by "Ganking" him. Concord appear. So what's the difference? Concord still arrive to punish me, AND I get a massive protection boost. Or is what you are saying, only gankers are allowed to gank?
No, you shot at a target to kill it. Shooting your own freighter with an ibis only has the goal of spawning concord for protection. Thats the difference.
That's the point. I can shoot any target on grid. Concord would still arrive, to punish ME. Not to protect the freighter as you seem to think. The protection is a bonus to my actions.
Look at it another way. A random Freighter jumps into system, Dominixes start to bump him. I decide to engage the Dominix. Now are Concord coming to protect the Freighter? or are they coming to protect the Dominix?
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Mag's
the united
17519
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Posted - 2014.06.19 18:02:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Mag's wrote:Solecist Project wrote: Hey Mag! Glad to see you around.
I don't get this guy. He's asking to be bumped off the belt. I wanna see him mine that way...
Hey Solecist. Like the new avatar. He's not got his argument in a fixed position either, so ....... Thanks! :D Changed it yesterday, but hasn't updated yet. Admit it, you were staring too. ;) Well I have a few tattoos myself, so I do admire even the in-game designs.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19031
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Posted - 2014.06.19 18:03:00 -
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malcovas Henderson wrote:Look at it another way. A random Freighter jumps into system, Dominixes start to bump him. I decide to engage the Dominix. Now are Concord coming to protect the Freighter? or are they coming to protect the Dominix?
They're there to laugh at people who bump in a Dominix, that's like trying to compete in the 24hr Le Mans in a garbage truck, there's much better tools for the job.
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies The Unthinkables
2262
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Posted - 2014.06.19 18:04:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Mag's wrote:Solecist Project wrote: Hey Mag! Glad to see you around.
I don't get this guy. He's asking to be bumped off the belt. I wanna see him mine that way...
Hey Solecist. Like the new avatar. He's not got his argument in a fixed position either, so ....... Thanks! :D Changed it yesterday, but hasn't updated yet. Admit it, you were staring too. ;) Well I have a few tattoos myself, so I do admire even the in-game designs.
Solecist has tattoos? Where? GÇ£SandboxGÇ¥ does not mean that you will succeed at anything you attempt; it means you can attempt anything you want to succeed at. One of the largest obstacles in the way of your success is other players. Schr+¦dinger's Hotdropper |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2378
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Posted - 2014.06.19 18:05:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote:Look at it another way. A random Freighter jumps into system, Dominixes start to bump him. I decide to engage the Dominix. Now are Concord coming to protect the Freighter? or are they coming to protect the Dominix?
They're there to laugh at people who bump in a Dominix, that's like trying to compete in the 24hr Le Mans in a garbage truck, there's much better tools for the job. Since when am I not allowed to spawn CONCORD where I want?
I kept doing that FOR YEARS, they can't tell me what to do!
The next freighter I see will get his ass kicked by my noobship......... The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2382
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Posted - 2014.06.19 18:07:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Mag's wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Mag's wrote:Solecist Project wrote: Hey Mag! Glad to see you around.
I don't get this guy. He's asking to be bumped off the belt. I wanna see him mine that way...
Hey Solecist. Like the new avatar. He's not got his argument in a fixed position either, so ....... Thanks! :D Changed it yesterday, but hasn't updated yet. Admit it, you were staring too. ;) Well I have a few tattoos myself, so I do admire even the in-game designs. Solecist has tattoos? Where? *laughs* xD The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
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Mag's
the united
17521
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Posted - 2014.06.19 18:08:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Mag's wrote:Solecist Project wrote: Thanks! :D Changed it yesterday, but hasn't updated yet.
Admit it, you were staring too. ;)
Well I have a few tattoos myself, so I do admire even the in-game designs. Solecist has tattoos? Where? I can now inform you, that Ginger beer isn't all that nice exiting ones nose.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2382
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Posted - 2014.06.19 18:09:00 -
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Mag's wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:Mag's wrote:Solecist Project wrote: Thanks! :D Changed it yesterday, but hasn't updated yet.
Admit it, you were staring too. ;)
Well I have a few tattoos myself, so I do admire even the in-game designs. Solecist has tattoos? Where? I can now inform you, that Ginger beer isn't all that nice exiting ones nose. LOL!!! XD The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3450
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Posted - 2014.06.19 18:11:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Since when am I not allowed to spawn CONCORD where I want? apparently it can't be spawned to try and protect your own ship. only to move it away from the site of a previous gank. i haven't seen a ruling myself but i've seen people who'd know assert it and i believe them.
malcovas Henderson wrote:baltec1 wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote: Ok. So I see your scout on grid, I decide to pre-emptive strike him by "Ganking" him. Concord appear. So what's the difference? Concord still arrive to punish me, AND I get a massive protection boost. Or is what you are saying, only gankers are allowed to gank?
No, you shot at a target to kill it. Shooting your own freighter with an ibis only has the goal of spawning concord for protection. Thats the difference. That's the point. I can shoot any target on grid. Concord would still arrive, to punish ME. Not to protect the freighter as you seem to think. The protection is a bonus to my actions. Look at it another way. A random Freighter jumps into system, Dominixes start to bump him. I decide to engage the Dominix. Now are Concord coming to protect the Freighter? or are they coming to protect the Dominix?
Benny Ohu wrote: the reason we have gms is to apply some common sense to rulings. i suggest you don't screw around with ships that don't have any chance of scoring a kill.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12055
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Posted - 2014.06.19 18:12:00 -
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malcovas Henderson wrote:baltec1 wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote: Ok. So I see your scout on grid, I decide to pre-emptive strike him by "Ganking" him. Concord appear. So what's the difference? Concord still arrive to punish me, AND I get a massive protection boost. Or is what you are saying, only gankers are allowed to gank?
No, you shot at a target to kill it. Shooting your own freighter with an ibis only has the goal of spawning concord for protection. Thats the difference. That's the point. I can shoot any target on grid. Concord would still arrive, to punish ME. Not to protect the freighter as you seem to think. The protection is a bonus to my actions. Look at it another way. A random Freighter jumps into system, Dominixes start to bump him. I decide to engage the Dominix. Now are Concord coming to protect the Freighter? or are they coming to protect the Dominix?
It doesnt matter how you try to word this. You are spawning concord with the intent to protect your assets with an invincible NPC fleet. The job of protecting your assets is yours and the players in your fleet, not concord. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2383
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Posted - 2014.06.19 18:16:00 -
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Well I remember this ruling to be differently and that people are definitely allowed to spawn CONCORD whereever they want.
Trusting a ganker when he says it's not allowed makes no sense too. No offense intended towards anyone. The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3452
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Posted - 2014.06.19 18:19:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Well I remember this ruling to be differently and that people are definitely allowed to spawn CONCORD whereever they want.
Trusting a ganker when he says it's not allowed makes no sense too. No offense intended towards anyone. tell you what, i'll make a petition. |
Soylent Jade
New Order Logistics CODE.
105
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Posted - 2014.06.19 18:56:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote: tell you what, i'll make a petition.
e: This was the question I asked
"Are players allowed to use disposable ships to spawn CONCORD close to where they are, with the intention of having CONCORD immediately attack any aggressors and therefore defend their ship for them?"
You're not allowed to share content of GM correspondence, are you? Hopefully, they will answer it here on the forums like they did with bumping. Making hisec better...one Catalyst at a time
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1904
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Posted - 2014.06.19 18:58:00 -
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I love peoples convoluted concepts of risk, reward, and punishment here.
The two of the most risk averse groups in the game, Carebears and Gankers have through years of suggestions to CCP put together this terrible system that only rewards their play style and completely ruins if for people that actually want to fight it out.
You have two real options with this sytem, tank up like crazy and scout, so you can continue to carebear it out and avoid any player vs player shooting, or you can gank the gankers non-criminal scouts, and/or exploit CONCORD mechanics, becoming a ganker yourself.
Highsec has no place for a player police, defending your industry fleet, or escelating fights simply because game mechanics won't allow it. It's all about avoidance or shooting fish in a barrel.
Add on top of that "GM discresion" for player bans, with players constantly crying to GM's, and it's no wonder the main goal here is to greif and get players banned instead of interesting and meaningful PvP. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3454
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Posted - 2014.06.19 19:02:00 -
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Soylent Jade wrote:You're not allowed to share content of GM correspondence, are you? Hopefully, they will answer it here on the forums like they did with bumping. No. I already asked if I can share the answer. If I remember, though, you're allowed to paraphrase (i'd share a 'yes' or 'no') as long as you're not misrepresenting what they say.
Tricia Killnu wrote:Last I herd (And I could be wrong as this forums isnt always correct) Disposable alts for this function is a no no. However spawning concord in itself is not wrong. Disposable alts are an exploit. I was talking about disposable ships, though. Using a newbie frigate to warp CONCORD away from the site where you intend to make a gank is commonly accepted as legitimate gameplay.
Noragli wrote:Xinivrae wrote:Noragli wrote:the playerbase has shrunk *citation needed Citation is CCP having stopped releasing sub numbers. And you only need to look at online players at the login screen to see there's a lot less people than there used to be. That indicates that CCP doesn't want to share sub numbers. Nothing more. |
Spectral Tiger
10
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Posted - 2014.06.19 19:08:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote: That indicates that CCP doesn't want to share sub numbers. Nothing more.
Yeah, but they would only do that if they were not as good as they have been.
I still remember when they kept trying to get people to log on to set a new players online record. But don't hear anything like that these days.
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Tricia Killnu
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.06.19 19:09:00 -
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Tricia Killnu wrote:Last I herd (And I could be wrong as this forums isnt always correct) Disposable alts for this function is a no no. However spawning concord in itself is not wrong. Disposable alts are an exploit. I was talking about disposable ships, though. Using a newbie frigate to warp CONCORD away from the site where you intend to make a gank is commonly accepted as legitimate gameplay.[/quote]
Citation is CCP having stopped releasing sub numbers. And you only need to look at online players at the login screen to see there's a lot less people than there used to be.[/quote] That indicates that CCP doesn't want to share sub numbers. Nothing more.[/quote]
yes you are correct, I misinterpreted what was said
But its a legitimate gameplay mechanic unless CCP says otherwise
Since they haven't means its OK to do cause if it wasn't there would be a sticky at the top of this forum stating why.
So lets all keep not getting along undock in all our ships and blow each other away.
Sounds good to me
Sometimes you just have to realized you undocked and you suck. . . |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2387
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Posted - 2014.06.19 19:11:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:I love peoples convoluted concepts of risk, reward, and punishment here.
The two of the most risk averse groups in the game, Carebears and Gankers have through years of suggestions to CCP put together this terrible system that only rewards their play style and completely ruins if for people that actually want to fight it out.
You have two real options with this sytem, tank up like crazy and scout, so you can continue to carebear it out and avoid any player vs player shooting, or you can gank the gankers non-criminal scouts, and/or exploit CONCORD mechanics, becoming a ganker yourself.
Highsec has no place for a player police, defending your industry fleet, or escelating fights simply because game mechanics won't allow it. It's all about avoidance or shooting fish in a barrel.
Add on top of that "GM discresion" for player bans, with players constantly crying to GM's, and it's no wonder the main goal here is to greif and get players banned instead of interesting and meaningful PvP. I oppose this statement as I am in no way or form a risk averse player.
Like ... at all.
I embrace it. I seek it. I hunt it.
I have boobs! The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
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Xinivrae
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
856
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Posted - 2014.06.19 19:32:00 -
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Noragli wrote:Xinivrae wrote:Noragli wrote:the playerbase has shrunk *citation needed Citation is CCP having stopped releasing sub numbers. And you only need to look at online players at the login screen to see there's a lot less people than there used to be. You're adorable. Try and follow me on this one, ok? Suicide ganking has been pretty prevalent throughout the course of eve's life (and it was way easier back in the day than it is now). Sure, more during sometimes than others (m0o, hulkageddon, burn jita, etc...) but I have absolutely no reason to believe it's significantly worse now than the last time someone made a thread about the exact same thing last month/year/the year before that, so on and so forth.
So, with the knowledge that suicide ganking has always been a part of the game, let's take a rough look at the subscription numbers that we do have access to. I'll even provide you with a chart courtesy of mmodata.
Interesting to see isn't it? I mean if suicide ganking was the problem you claim, surely it would have made an impact on subs a loooong time ago? But it appears that isn't the case, what could that possibly mean I wonder... |
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