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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.06.20 13:03:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote: Ill pre-empt your reply to that, I know that you dont care if I believe you.
Spectral Tiger wrote: I don't actually care if you believe me or not, it's likely you will choose to disbelieve me anyway..
Cool now that we have that ourt of the way could you PLEASE address the important parts of my reply, which were the figures and siuttions regarding trade hubs and the icebelts that contradict your supposition that there are less players in High Sec than there were 5 years ago, please? "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2426
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Posted - 2014.06.20 13:05:00 -
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To his defense I do remember a Six Six Six ingame.
Or my mind is clouded so much I mistake the e for an i. *giggles* xD The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
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Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3510
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Posted - 2014.06.20 13:06:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:To his defense I do remember a Six Six Six ingame.
See the edit in my post above. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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Spectral Tiger
12
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Posted - 2014.06.20 13:11:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:[quote=Spectral Tiger]
So like any other regular carebear, what you're doing is expecting EVE to be like every other MMO that you play. It isn't, and will never be.
If it was I wouldn't be here now.
I don't expect or want EVE to be like those others games, what I would change if it was at all possible is that people are a bit more respectful of each other. Yeah, I know that's never going to happen. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19079
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Posted - 2014.06.20 13:11:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: Ill pre-empt your reply to that, I know that you dont care if I believe you. Spectral Tiger wrote: I don't actually care if you believe me or not, it's likely you will choose to disbelieve me anyway..
Cool now that we have that ourt of the way could you PLEASE address the important parts of my reply, which were the figures and situations regarding trade hubs and the icebelts that contradict your supposition that there are less players in High Sec than there were 5 years ago, please? I love how every time that someone says that there are less players online or fewer subs than x years ago, they always fail to back it up
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Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3510
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Posted - 2014.06.20 13:13:00 -
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Spectral Tiger wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:[quote=Spectral Tiger]
So like any other regular carebear, what you're doing is expecting EVE to be like every other MMO that you play. It isn't, and will never be.
If it was I wouldn't be here now. I don't expect or want EVE to be like those others games, what I would change if it was at all possible is that people are a bit more respectful of each other. Yeah, I know that's never going to happen.
Respect is earned, not assumed. I find it quite telling that even if you have been around EVE as long as you claim, you manage to biomass quite frequently. Someone that knows EVE as well as you think you do simply doesn't do that, they become a veteran with lots of isk and/or good combat experience. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3510
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Posted - 2014.06.20 13:14:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: Ill pre-empt your reply to that, I know that you dont care if I believe you. Spectral Tiger wrote: I don't actually care if you believe me or not, it's likely you will choose to disbelieve me anyway..
Cool now that we have that ourt of the way could you PLEASE address the important parts of my reply, which were the figures and situations regarding trade hubs and the icebelts that contradict your supposition that there are less players in High Sec than there were 5 years ago, please? I love how every time that someone says that there are less players online or fewer subs than x years ago, they always fail to back it up
This is why I assume they're not going to try, and skip the step of asking for it. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2426
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Posted - 2014.06.20 13:15:00 -
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Spectral Tiger wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:[quote=Spectral Tiger]
So like any other regular carebear, what you're doing is expecting EVE to be like every other MMO that you play. It isn't, and will never be.
If it was I wouldn't be here now. I don't expect or want EVE to be like those others games, what I would change if it was at all possible is that people are a bit more respectful of each other. Yeah, I know that's never going to happen. With this I agree. You can't imagine the amount of assholes I have to deal with on a daily basis, just because they lack any manners or decency and think they can own me just because of my looks!
And it's not only men who act that way! Horrible! :O The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19081
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Posted - 2014.06.20 13:18:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote: You can't imagine the amount of assholes I have to deal with on a daily basis, just because they lack any manners or decency and think they can own me just because of my looks!
And it's not only men who act that way! Horrible! :O More ganking, less preening young lady
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2427
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Posted - 2014.06.20 13:22:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Solecist Project wrote: You can't imagine the amount of assholes I have to deal with on a daily basis, just because they lack any manners or decency and think they can own me just because of my looks!
And it's not only men who act that way! Horrible! :O More ganking, less preening young lady I can do BOTH! :D The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
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Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3513
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Posted - 2014.06.20 13:26:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Solecist Project wrote: You can't imagine the amount of assholes I have to deal with on a daily basis, just because they lack any manners or decency and think they can own me just because of my looks!
And it's not only men who act that way! Horrible! :O More ganking, less preening young lady I can do BOTH! :D
Pics or it didn't happen. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19082
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Posted - 2014.06.20 13:26:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Solecist Project wrote: You can't imagine the amount of assholes I have to deal with on a daily basis, just because they lack any manners or decency and think they can own me just because of my looks!
And it's not only men who act that way! Horrible! :O More ganking, less preening young lady I can do BOTH! :D lol I know, you're probably putting on makeup war paint in the mirror while ganking.
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Spectral Tiger
12
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Posted - 2014.06.20 13:41:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: Ill pre-empt your reply to that, I know that you dont care if I believe you. Spectral Tiger wrote: I don't actually care if you believe me or not, it's likely you will choose to disbelieve me anyway..
Cool now that we have that ourt of the way could you PLEASE address the important parts of my reply, which were the figures and situations regarding trade hubs and the icebelts that contradict your supposition that there are less players in High Sec than there were 5 years ago, please? I love how every time that someone says that there are less players online or fewer subs than x years ago, they always fail to back it up
Easy way to check, if we can find the highest figure for online players. Obviously the normal amount at that time would be slightly less.
Sunday afternoon/evening (GMT) always was the busiest time. Probably best to check from around 16:00 (GMT) onwards.
Of course if the figures are indeed increasing we should be getting a new record breaking amount of players online each month.
Find it strange that CCP won't release the figures (from what I heard). If I was running a gaming company I would release the figures for the amount of accounts or players online if they was an increasing trend and wanted to use it for marketing purposes. However, I wouldn't release the figures if that trend was down as it's best left to speculation. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5569
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Posted - 2014.06.20 13:50:00 -
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Spectral Tiger wrote: Easy way to check, if we can find the highest figure for online players. Obviously the normal amount at that time would be slightly less. Sunday afternoon/evening (GMT) always was the busiest time. Probably best to check from around 16:00 (GMT) onwards.
And this proves that there are less people in High Sec how? This discussion was about High Sec specifically. If there are less players in Low and Null that has no bearing whatsoever on your assertation that ganking has forced more people out of the game recently than it has in the past.
And how does any of that compare with the things you can go an see for yourself RIGHT NOW in any trade hub and any ice belt in High Sec? "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7309
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Posted - 2014.06.20 13:53:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote: And how does any of that compare with the things you can go an see for yourself RIGHT NOW in any trade hub and any ice belt in High Sec?
It doesn't compare. But it also doesn't fit his narrative and thus it is rejected.
He's trying to find facts to fit his explanation, rather than the other way around. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2430
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Posted - 2014.06.20 13:59:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Solecist Project wrote: You can't imagine the amount of assholes I have to deal with on a daily basis, just because they lack any manners or decency and think they can own me just because of my looks!
And it's not only men who act that way! Horrible! :O More ganking, less preening young lady I can do BOTH! :D Pics or it didn't happen. Who do you think you are????? :O
Say please! The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19087
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:00:00 -
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Spectral Tiger wrote:Easy way to check, if we can find the highest figure for online players. Obviously the normal amount at that time would be slightly less.
Sunday afternoon/evening (GMT) always was the busiest time. Probably best to check from around 16:00 (GMT) onwards.
Of course if the figures are indeed increasing we should be getting a new record breaking amount of players online each month.
Find it strange that CCP won't release the figures (from what I heard). If I was running a gaming company I would release the figures for the amount of accounts or players online if they was an increasing trend and wanted to use it for marketing purposes. However, I wouldn't release the figures if that trend was down as it's best left to speculation. If you're so sure that this is the case then you should share your evidence, because looking at Chribba's handy eveoffline graphs the PCU has been fairly static for the last 3 months, the PCU for the last 24 hours peaked at around 38000 characters. The last 6 months show a slight dip in PCU, it is however now climbing again.
As for driving people away, according to the same source, an approximate average of 1.6 new characters was created every minute for the last 48 hours.
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Noragli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:05:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Spectral Tiger wrote: Easy way to check, if we can find the highest figure for online players. Obviously the normal amount at that time would be slightly less. Sunday afternoon/evening (GMT) always was the busiest time. Probably best to check from around 16:00 (GMT) onwards.
And this proves that there are less people in High Sec how? This discussion was about High Sec specifically. If there are less players in Low and Null that has no bearing whatsoever on your assertation that ganking has forced more people out of the game recently than it has in the past. And how does any of that compare with the things you can go an see for yourself RIGHT NOW in any trade hub and any ice belt in High Sec? Spectral Tiger wrote: If I was running a gaming company I would release the figures for the amount of accounts or players online if they was an increasing trend and wanted to use it for marketing purposes. However, I wouldn't release the figures if that trend was down as it's best left to speculation. Because to operate that way would be suicidal in terms of market value. The first time you dont release figures after people know thats your policy, and your share price will tank.
The discussion was never about less people in hi-sec specifically. It was about EVE online losing subscriptions.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5571
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:06:00 -
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Noragli wrote:
The discussion was never about less people in hi-sec specifically. It was about EVE online losing subscriptions.
Please explain how you suicide gank in Low Sec and NullSec, being as how thats the title of thread
Noragli wrote:A -10 character, or a character with sec status below the accepted system minimum requirement should not be able to chain gank people. They should be barred from boarding a ship in high security space, or at least barred from entering warp in any ship except for a pod. It's exactly the same as when a concord flagged player tries to undock in a ship or board a ship, concord has you blocked from activating your warp drive. If concord can already do this, then there's no reason why they can't do this automatically to players who fall below the minimum system security status. They can still travel through empire in a pod, they just can't chain gank people. It's stupid that concord would allow this to happen.
There is no CONCORD in Low and Null and -10 means nothing "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Noragli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:07:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Spectral Tiger wrote:Easy way to check, if we can find the highest figure for online players. Obviously the normal amount at that time would be slightly less.
Sunday afternoon/evening (GMT) always was the busiest time. Probably best to check from around 16:00 (GMT) onwards.
Of course if the figures are indeed increasing we should be getting a new record breaking amount of players online each month.
Find it strange that CCP won't release the figures (from what I heard). If I was running a gaming company I would release the figures for the amount of accounts or players online if they was an increasing trend and wanted to use it for marketing purposes. However, I wouldn't release the figures if that trend was down as it's best left to speculation. If you're so sure that this is the case then you should share your evidence, because looking at Chribba's handy eveoffline graphs the PCU has been fairly static for the last 3 months, the PCU for the last 24 hours peaked at around 38000 characters. The last 6 months show a slight dip in PCU, it is however now climbing again. As for driving people away, according to the same source, an approximate average of 1.6 new characters was created every minute for the last 48 hours.
38,000 is very low compared to what they used to get. Often 50k online, I think 68k was the record. They don't anywhere even close to those numbers any more.
1.6 characters created every minute for 48 hours. This proves what exactly? |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7314
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:08:00 -
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Noragli wrote: The discussion was never about less people in hi-sec specifically. It was about EVE online losing subscriptions.
Um, horseshit. You're crying about ganking, which only effects people in highsec.
So your doubletalk won't fly. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7314
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:10:00 -
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Noragli wrote: 38,000 is very low compared to what they used to get. Often 50k online, I think 68k was the record. They don't anywhere even close to those numbers any more.
If you actually bother to read the graph instead of just gesticulating like a monkey and claiming it proves you right, you can see that concurrency falls every summer. As has been repeatedly stated in this very thread. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Noragli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:10:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Noragli wrote:
The discussion was never about less people in hi-sec specifically. It was about EVE online losing subscriptions.
Please explain how you suicide gank in Low Sec and NullSec, being as how thats the title of thread Noragli wrote:A -10 character, or a character with sec status below the accepted system minimum requirement should not be able to chain gank people. They should be barred from boarding a ship in high security space, or at least barred from entering warp in any ship except for a pod. It's exactly the same as when a concord flagged player tries to undock in a ship or board a ship, concord has you blocked from activating your warp drive. If concord can already do this, then there's no reason why they can't do this automatically to players who fall below the minimum system security status. They can still travel through empire in a pod, they just can't chain gank people. It's stupid that concord would allow this to happen. There is no CONCORD in Low and Null and -10 means nothing
So you're claiming that anyone who uses nullsec never gets ganked in hi-sec? Very false.
The fact that you're trying to win arguments by nitpicking just proves how desperate you are to look like you are in the right. |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
66
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:11:00 -
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Noragli wrote: 38,000 is very low compared to what they used to get. Often 50k online, I think 68k was the record. They don't anywhere even close to those numbers any more.
1.6 characters created every minute for 48 hours. This proves what exactly?
It's because there isn't a massive war going on in-game.
Right now there's a cold war between the major null blocs, so there's no reason to log in 24/7. Two years ago, people were doing actual fleet ops and alarm-clock ops, so people were always ready to go pewpew. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
161
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:11:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote: There is no CONCORD in Low and Null and -10 means nothing
Well, in low you lose the minor protection of the gate guns at outlaw levels, iirc. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
161
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:13:00 -
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Noragli wrote:So you're claiming that anyone who uses nullsec never gets ganked in hi-sec? Very false.
Almost certainly false.
However almost certainly they aren't the ones whining like mules about it, either.
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2432
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:17:00 -
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It's as if he switched alts just to make it look like several people think the same crap. The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5571
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:18:00 -
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Noragli wrote:
So you're claiming that anyone who uses nullsec never gets ganked in hi-sec? Very false.
The fact that you're trying to win arguments by nitpicking just proves how desperate you are to look like you are in the right.
No, Im countering your claim that ganking has caused a reduction of numbers of people in High Sec, when in fact High Sec is busier than it has ever been.
I don't need to look in the right, my ego is not that fragile. Im say that to say ganking is causing some sort of exodus of High Sec only players is a complete fallacy.
Im sorry to hear that you feel that this must be an argument rather than a debate, and Id rather not believe that you will have to lower yourself to assumptions and accusations about my character in order to defend your point of view.
I happen to disagree with you, and have presented evidence to support my position.
I encourage you to do the same for your postion.
afkalt wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: There is no CONCORD in Low and Null and -10 means nothing
Well, in low you lose the minor protection of the gate guns at outlaw levels, iirc.
I accept that point "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3465
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:20:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Spectral Tiger wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:
Six Six Six never existed,
Just noticed this in your post. Six Six Six did exist so you haven't done your homework properly. In fact I'm sure she's even posted on the forums. The 'S's are cap. If they existed, ever, the forums aren't the only place to find them. http://evewho.com/corp/SiX+SiX+SiXIf they existed, ever, they'll appear there. But, I'll run a search on the forums anyway, see what comes up. EDIT: Well, another in the Doomheim bag ey. No way to know how long it was around for. I concede I was mistaken originally, but there's no character history on this toon. the ability to give a character three names is recent. post-incarna. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19089
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:22:00 -
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Noragli wrote:38,000 is very low compared to what they used to get. Often 50k online, I think 68k was the record. They don't anywhere even close to those numbers any more. If you actually look at the graphs 35-40k is the long term average, and has been since 2007(ish). 68K is a record for a reason, it's not the usual state of affairs
Quote:1.6 characters created every minute for 48 hours. This proves what exactly? It proves that people are creating new characters, of which I would surmise a fair few belong to new accounts, because that's generally the first thing a new account holder does
Unlike you I actually attempt, probably badly, to provide evidence to back up my claims.
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