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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
3296
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:29:00 -
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Is it possible that population is down because it's summer in the northern hemisphere? That happens every year-- summer and population decrease. Not sure why. I doesn't make sense that Eve players would be out in the sun, swimming, barbecuing, throwing Frisbees, etc. There must be some other explanation. "Were [sic] not your monkey and so what?"-á -The Sex Pistols (2006) |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19090
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:31:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Is it possible that population is down because it's summer in the northern hemisphere? That happens every year-- summer and population decrease. Not sure why. I doesn't make sense that Eve players would be out in the sun, swimming, barbecuing, throwing Frisbees, etc. There must be some other explanation. Finally!! A Khergit Deserters post I can get behind
You forgot the bit about admiring all the members of the opposite sex wearing skimpy clothing, admittedly some of them should refrain from doing so because EWWW!!
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
Spectral Tiger
12
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:34:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Noragli wrote: The discussion was never about less people in hi-sec specifically. It was about EVE online losing subscriptions.
Um, horseshit. You're crying about ganking, which only effects people in highsec. So your doubletalk won't fly.
Don't think anyone is saying ganking is responsible all by itself, but a lot of people think it does have a part to play, including one well known ganker even if he is in semi-retirement.
There are other factors the high price of PLEX on the in-game market has been responsible for some alt accounts being closed.
We're also likely to see a dip in numbers because of the Summer.
I'm sure there's plenty of other reasons of which some of them will be personal reasons.
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2433
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:38:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:Is it possible that population is down because it's summer in the northern hemisphere? That happens every year-- summer and population decrease. Not sure why. I doesn't make sense that Eve players would be out in the sun, swimming, barbecuing, throwing Frisbees, etc. There must be some other explanation. Finally!! A Khergit Deserters post I can get behind You forgot the bit about admiring all the members of the opposite sex wearing skimpy clothing, admittedly some of them should refrain from doing so because EWWW!! First sentence: Now I understand why you don't react to me. I had no idea you go "that" way.
Second sentence: What?? The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
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Noragli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
44
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:40:00 -
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Spectral Tiger wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Noragli wrote: The discussion was never about less people in hi-sec specifically. It was about EVE online losing subscriptions.
Um, horseshit. You're crying about ganking, which only effects people in highsec. So your doubletalk won't fly. Don't think anyone is saying ganking is responsible all by itself, but a lot of people think it does have a part to play, including one well known ganker even if he is in semi-retirement. There are other factors the high price of PLEX on the in-game market has been responsible for some alt accounts being closed. We're also likely to see a dip in numbers because of the Summer. I'm sure there's plenty of other reasons of which some of them will be personal reasons.
Exactly, ganking is part of the problem. When players are ganked relentlessly, in any game, a lot of them quit that game. EVE is no exception. Given enough time, players learn how to abuse systems. The systems are old and are being abused to the point that suicide ganking is done even to targets of no value, just for killmails and the hope that someone has an expensive pod full if implants.
The system needs an update to curb this behaviour. |
Mag's
the united
17531
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:43:00 -
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Noragli wrote:
Exactly, ganking is part of the problem. When players are ganked relentlessly, in any game, a lot of them quit that game. EVE is no exception. Given enough time, players learn how to abuse systems. The systems are old and are being abused to the point that suicide ganking is done even to targets of no value, just for killmails and the hope that someone has an expensive pod full if implants.
The system needs an update to curb this behaviour.
As CCP said ganking was at an all time low, it would seem instead of learning to abuse it, they are forgetting?
But let's be honest here, it's not even abuse. It's simply playing the game how it was designed. Which makes me wonder why you even play it.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7315
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:44:00 -
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Spectral Tiger wrote: Don't think anyone is saying ganking is responsible all by itself
The OP has. Several times, although one or two of them are likely in the 15 pages Ezwal deleted.
Quote: but a lot of people think it does have a part to play, including one well known ganker even if he is in semi-retirement.
You can make that assertion all you like, but since you have only lies and deliberate misinterpretations to back it up, no one will believe it.
Quote: There are other factors the high price of PLEX on the in-game market has been responsible for some alt accounts being closed.
Oh, boo freaking hoo. If you want a culprit for inflation, you need to look squarely at the carebears who exist for no purpose than to make the green number get bigger.
Quote: We're also likely to see a dip in numbers because of the Summer.
I'm sure there's plenty of other reasons of which some of them will be personal reasons.
Likely nothing. We will see a drop in Summer. That's historically inarguable. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3465
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:45:00 -
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Noragli wrote:Exactly, ganking is part of the problem. there is no problem.
Quote:When players are ganked relentlessly, in any game, a lot of them quit that game.
where did you get this information? who is being ganked 'relentlessly'? please link a pilot being ganked relentlessly.
Quote:Given enough time, players learn how to abuse systems. The systems are old and are being abused
Crimwatch was released in odyssey. also i don't see any abuse.
Quote:to the point that suicide ganking is done even to targets of no value, just for killmails and the hope that someone has an expensive pod full if implants.
so? |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6791
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:46:00 -
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Spectral Tiger wrote:
Don't think anyone is saying ganking is responsible all by itself, but a lot of people think it does have a part to play, including one well known ganker even if he is in semi-retirement.
And they are wrong. It's an example of the "the thing I don't like is also the thing causing all of society's problems" fallacy (I wonder if that fallacy has a formal name yet).
In order to believe that 'ganking' somehow leads to 'less active players' or fewer subs, you'd have to ignore YEARS of contrary data. That contray data being that EVE Online had steady growth year after year after year while 'ganking' was going on.
This demonstrates that at best (from your point of view), ganking is neutral (has no effect) on subscription numbers and at worst (again from your point of view), ganking helped cause an INCREASE in sub numbers.
If you don't give ganking credit for the increasing sub numbers over a long period of time (remember, subs were going up for years while ganking was going on, and there is no proof that there is more or less ganking now that at any other time in EVE's history), how can you (with a straight face) then cite ganking as a cause for decreasing sub numbers after a much shorter period of time?
The people who believe 'ganking' is any part of the cause of any supposed decline of sub or online player numbers are suffering from "Westboro Syndrome" ie, they don't like something (in Westboro's case, it's 'alternate lifestyle people', in this in-game case it's 'gankers', ipso facto gankers = teh gheys) and somehow that something that they hate is the root cause of ALL evils befalling society. This despite the fact that the 'alternate' folks have been around forever, even when things were 'good'. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5571
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:48:00 -
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Noragli wrote:
Exactly, ganking is part of the problem. When players are ganked relentlessly, in any game, a lot of them quit that game. EVE is no exception. Given enough time, players learn how to abuse systems. The systems are old and are being abused to the point that suicide ganking is done even to targets of no value, just for killmails and the hope that someone has an expensive pod full if implants.
The system needs an update to curb this behaviour.
So let me get this clear
You feel that players are unable to do anything to defend themselves against attacks that are intended to destroy their ships in High Sec and that as it stands with the present items, systems and rules in the game that there is no way to prevent losses and that the game engine and High Sec rules must be modified to provide enough protection so that no one is at risk to the point that they want to quit?
Have I picked that up right? "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
164
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:49:00 -
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So for a while I used to just fly around blapping pods in high sec for lols. I NEVER got any money from it, straight up loss making...but boy it was funny. I might need to revisit that passtime.
Point is, the assumption that ganking is motivated exclusive for profit is a massive error on your part.
Here are some reminders
1) High sec is NOT perfect sec 2) CONCORD simply PUNISH. They do not protect 3) Some men really DO just want to see the world burn |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7318
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:49:00 -
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Noragli wrote:
Exactly, ganking is part of the problem. When players are ganked relentlessly, in any game, a lot of them quit that game. EVE is no exception.
Funny. I don't see people crying on the COD forums about getting shot at. Turns out, their playerbase is actually smart enough to realize that when they boot up COD, that they will be shot at.
Same thing applies to EVE, we just have a section of the playerbase who are even dumber than COD players.
Quote: Given enough time, players learn how to abuse systems.
Grr, smart gameplay.
Quote: The systems are old and are being abused to the point that suicide ganking is done even to targets of no value, just for killmails and the hope that someone has an expensive pod full if implants.
The system needs an update to curb this behaviour.
No, it doesn't. You people need an attitude adjustment.
If anything, since the system has been updated to nerf ganking repeatedly, it's about time we swung the pendulum in the other direction for once. This behavior needs to be encouraged, since clearly it's not happening enough to make to the miners actually learn to play the damned game. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2142
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Posted - 2014.06.20 14:58:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Is it possible that population is down because it's summer in the northern hemisphere? That happens every year-- summer and population decrease. Not sure why. I doesn't make sense that Eve players would be out in the sun, swimming, barbecuing, throwing Frisbees, etc. There must be some other explanation. Learing at pretty ladys in summer clothing, you know that could be true. "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22560
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:12:00 -
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Noragli wrote:Exactly, ganking is part of the problem. When players are ganked relentlessly, in any game, a lot of them quit that game. EVE is no exception. Do you have any evidence to support this hypothesis and show that any of it is actually happening?
Quote:The system needs an update to curb this behaviour. Why?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7320
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:14:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:Is it possible that population is down because it's summer in the northern hemisphere? That happens every year-- summer and population decrease. Not sure why. I doesn't make sense that Eve players would be out in the sun, swimming, barbecuing, throwing Frisbees, etc. There must be some other explanation. Learing at pretty ladys in summer clothing, you know that could be true.
I prefer ogling to leering. Also, pretty sure that's why sunglasses were invented. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6793
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:15:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Noragli wrote:Exactly, ganking is part of the problem. When players are ganked relentlessly, in any game, a lot of them quit that game. EVE is no exception. Do you have any evidence to support this hypothesis and show that any of it is actually happening?
Do YOU have any evidence that posters like the one your replied to need any evidence of anything before they form an opinion about something as if they had evidence? Huh, do ya?
Didn't think so |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5573
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:19:00 -
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Im still waiting on a reply to my question.
It irks me that when I express myself as I wish (with anger and comedy) I get quick answers calling me a troll and ignoring my post
When I try to be rational, polite and civil I get left hanging
Why is this? "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
1068
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:23:00 -
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Because Nothing pisses off a hard working Carebear putting 40 hours a week into the game more than losing all his **** to a weekend warrior and his 10 friends (or alts) who log in to the character for 5 minutes then move the ISK to a PVP toon for a 30 second pseudo battle on some anonymous low sec gate.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2433
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:24:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:Because Nothing pisses off a hard working Carebear putting 40 hours a week into the game more than losing all his **** to a weekend warrior and his 10 friends (or alts) who log in to the character for 5 minutes then move the ISK to a PVP toon for a 30 second pseudo battle on some anonymous low sec gate. Goldiiee! :D You're still around! :D
You never talked like that about me .............. The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6796
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:25:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Im still waiting on a reply to my question.
It irks me that when I express myself as I wish (with anger and comedy) I get quick answers calling me a troll and ignoring my post
When I try to be rational, polite and civil I get left hanging
Why is this?
Because you aren't giving them an 'out' or 'wedge' against you. You you reply in 'standard GD mode' they can dodge your question mentally by proclaiming you a troll, so they don't have the fact the discomfort of knowing they were wrong about something.
My honest guess is that Ultimately, the people you, I and others tend to argue with here are emotional type thinkers and by definition they will respond faster to perceived 'hot' emotion than to cold rational thought.
*And now, the obligatory reference to Jenn aSide's past sex life, such as it was*
I had an Ex like that (well, more than one, but this one in particular), when I talked to her in calm measured tones without judgement or 'heat', should just couldn't deal with that at all, but if i yelled at her she became as comfortable as a foot in a silk sock. And yes, she did have an interesting upbringing |
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Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
1069
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:27:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Goldiiee wrote:Because Nothing pisses off a hard working Carebear putting 40 hours a week into the game more than losing all his **** to a weekend warrior and his 10 friends (or alts) who log in to the character for 5 minutes then move the ISK to a PVP toon for a 30 second pseudo battle on some anonymous low sec gate. Goldiiee! :D You're still around! :D You never talked like that about me .............. Bored and decided since I didn't have anything good to add to the conversation I would throw some spare gasoline I had lying around into the mix.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2435
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:29:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Goldiiee wrote:Because Nothing pisses off a hard working Carebear putting 40 hours a week into the game more than losing all his **** to a weekend warrior and his 10 friends (or alts) who log in to the character for 5 minutes then move the ISK to a PVP toon for a 30 second pseudo battle on some anonymous low sec gate. Goldiiee! :D You're still around! :D You never talked like that about me .............. Bored and decided since I didn't have anything good to add to the conversation I would throw some spare gasoline I had lying around into the mix. Doesn't work.
While you try to portrait somebody who looks down on others, I know you're actually a nice young lady. (: The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6797
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:31:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:Because Nothing pisses off a hard working Carebear putting 40 hours a week into the game more than losing all his **** to a weekend warrior and his 10 friends (or alts) who log in to the character for 5 minutes then move the ISK to a PVP toon for a 30 second pseudo battle on some anonymous low sec gate.
A number of questions this raises #YodaVoice
Why is the 'carebear' putting in 40 hours grinding in a game? I suspect RMT because that sounds like a job.
Why does said carebear put all his eggs in one explode-able basket? Does he not know he's playing EVE Online?
And lastly, why does our good carebear friend not understand that the amout of hours one puts into EVE online mean nothing, and that 1 ship exploding to 10 is basically 'death by natural causes' in EVE online and has been since 2003?
Seems like 'carebear' is a synonym for both 'irresponsible' and 'reckless'.
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Goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
1069
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:38:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: Why does said carebear put all his eggs in one explode-able basket? Does he not know he's playing EVE Online?
No good answer for the rest of your questions, but stupid was my only excuse for a 60bil Orca I donated to the cause.
Things that keep me up at night;-á Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state,-áOnce you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another. |
Spectral Tiger
12
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:39:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Goldiiee wrote:Because Nothing pisses off a hard working Carebear putting 40 hours a week into the game more than losing all his **** to a weekend warrior and his 10 friends (or alts) who log in to the character for 5 minutes then move the ISK to a PVP toon for a 30 second pseudo battle on some anonymous low sec gate. A number of questions this raises #YodaVoice Why is the 'carebear' putting in 40 hours grinding in a game? I suspect RMT because that sounds like a job. Why does said carebear put all his eggs in one explode-able basket? Does he not know he's playing EVE Online? And lastly, why does our good carebear friend not understand that the amout of hours one puts into EVE online mean nothing, and that 1 ship exploding to 10 is basically 'death by natural causes' in EVE online and has been since 2003? Seems like 'carebear' is a synonym for both 'irresponsible' and 'reckless'.
40 hours a week? That's nothing, I used to play from 12 - 16 hrs a day and I don't even use any add-ons, including illegal ones. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3466
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:44:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:Because Nothing pisses off a hard working Carebear putting 40 hours a week into the game more than losing all his **** to a weekend warrior and his 10 friends (or alts) who log in to the character for 5 minutes then move the ISK to a PVP toon for a 30 second pseudo battle on some anonymous low sec gate. there's no precedent for patching hilarity |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1893
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:46:00 -
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Spectral Tiger wrote:
40 hours a week? That's nothing, I used to play from 12 - 16 hrs a day and I don't even use any add-ons, including illegal ones.
That.......explains way more about you than you think it does. This thread officially has 25% more pssssssshhh than leading competitors. |
Victoria Shi
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
11
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:48:00 -
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Goldiiee wrote:Because Nothing pisses off a hard working Carebear putting 40 hours a week into the game more than losing all his **** to a weekend warrior and his 10 friends (or alts) who log in to the character for 5 minutes then move the ISK to a PVP toon for a 30 second pseudo battle on some anonymous low sec gate.
The tears! They nourish! |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5574
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:50:00 -
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Spectral Tiger wrote: 40 hours a week? That's nothing, I used to play from 12 - 16 hrs a day and I don't even use any add-ons, including illegal ones.
And how many ganks a week did you suffer from? "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
963
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Posted - 2014.06.20 15:58:00 -
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Noragli wrote:
Exactly, ganking is part of the problem. When players are ganked relentlessly, in any game, a lot of them quit that game. EVE is no exception. Given enough time, players learn how to abuse systems. The systems are old and are being abused to the point that suicide ganking is done even to targets of no value, just for killmails and the hope that someone has an expensive pod full if implants.
The system needs an update to curb this behaviour.
It is highly desirable for certain types of players to quit the game. Ripard is one example. Carebears, generally, must be forced from the EVE Community - because the demands they make on CCP Devs take us incrementally further from the unique, awesome EVE I started playing years ago. They are an existential threat. Their whines and complaints have brought an endless string of dumbed down mechanics and nerfs to any playstyle that results in ships exploding in highsec - or bonus round contestants singing in TS.
Even the forums have significantly declined, in essence becoming a CCP advertisement 'theme-park' - with the insane moderation policies that have appeared right about the time CCP Zymurgist was replaced by Falcon. Fanboy threads are given an immediate DEV seal of approval, while criticism is either locked, deleted or banished to the wasteland.
Repeated Concord buffs have made ganking far more difficult than it ever has been in the past. However, this only motivated gankers to become far more organized, and return the favor by punishing those who clamored for more safety. I don't think its a coincidence that the New Order emerged shortly after CCP effectively exterminated HG V in 2012.
CODE: just one more way to put the fun into fundamentalism.
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