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Anslo
Scope Works
5433
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Posted - 2014.06.16 18:58:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:No, you refused to fight without a fleet. There is a difference.
So you refuse to adapt to the situation and go get your own fleet.
K.
Quote:Unless I'm gravely mistaken, I am not whining about anything. Seems you're whining I don't bother fighting solo instead of acting and rallying people to come after us. There's MORE than enough people who hate me that'd help you.
Quote:I'm merely calling you a puffed up blowhard who hides behind a fleet and talks crap he can't back up. Funny enough I'm normally (always) called primary when I FC. So I get to 'hide behind my fleet' for a grand total of 5 seconds. We take bets on how long I'll last on the field.
Quote:Now, if you want to see some serious whining, I suggest you look up these guys from a while back. What was their name? Proveld something or other. Oh changing goal posts! Are we playing spot the fallacy?
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Mag's
the united
17446
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Posted - 2014.06.16 18:59:00 -
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I made the following post in reply to this post. Posted: 2014.06.09 01:04
It highlights fittings at that point.
Mag's wrote:Only 18 of those Freighters were a part of this change. 7 Charons 5 Obelisks 5 Fenrir 1 Providence 1 chose not to fit anything. 5 decided to fit for full cargo. 3 chose 2 cargo expanders and either an Inertia stab, or nanofiber. 1 chose 1 cargo and 2 local stabs. 1 chose all stabs. 2 chose all nanofibers. 1 chose 2 local stabs and a nanofiber. 2 chose 2 stabs II and 1 bulk II. 1 fitted all Bulkhead II 1 chose 3 armour tank mods. Experimental Explosive plating I, Refuge Adaptive nano plating I and an Elemental Kinetic Plating I So out of those 18, only 4 chose some tank and out of those only 2 chose all tank. But then only one went with all bulkheads. The one with all bulkheads was moving 3.6 billion in cargo and the armour pilot 5.9. Out of the 3 jump freighters, only 1 was in the change period and he didn't fit a thing. So yes, I would say all is well. Most haulers are not thinking straight and many of then are fitting for full cargo. Isn't that a surprise. If there is an increase after this change, in what is now considered a rather rare act, then the blame can only point one way. (Hint, it's not the gankers fault.)
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
2499
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:00:00 -
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Tilly Delnero wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:You don't know much about fleet warfare, do you?
Implying ganking unarmed ships with impunity in highsec is 'fleet warfare'. Aye, truly on par with low and null slugfests - CODE is the new Rooks and Kings. Thanks for making me chuckle.
Actually I think that is a fair comparison. A freighter AP'ing through Aufay is about as stupid as an FC that warps his fleet into a pipe bomb. Neither bothered to do the least bit of work to protect their assets and someone else was there to capitalize on it for kills. Hybrid guns are just more appropriate for the kill than smartbombs. "Its the pod I'm after. The ship is just a pod condom." -- Turgesson "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6746
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:02:00 -
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Noragli wrote:
I personally don't care if changes are made to fix this or not. It doesn't affect me directly, I do not use frieghters or other high value ships. This is just an observation I made, a line was crossed when they started targetting empty ships just for the sake of it. Is it time for change?
How funny is it when someone hides behind an 3 month of npc corp alt just to pretend that don't actually support something that's the took the time to post about?
Funny as in sad and weak that is. |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
925
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:03:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Carmen Electra wrote:Are you mad? You seem mad. If you think that's good, read his blog. Hopefully they haven't edited out the part where they admitted they were going to try and abuse the petition system to get people banned, because that part is pure gold.
Seriously? I seemed to remember that guy spewing angry cry-posts on some old ganking threads going back a few years. Figured he was just a sad gank victim who figured the closest thing he'd ever get to revenge is lobbying for ganking nerfs.
Guess I had him pegged. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2318
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:03:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Tilly Delnero wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:You don't know much about fleet warfare, do you?
Implying ganking unarmed ships with impunity in highsec is 'fleet warfare'. Aye, truly on par with low and null slugfests - CODE is the new Rooks and Kings. Thanks for making me chuckle. Actually I think that is a fair comparison. A freighter AP'ing through Aufay is about as stupid as an FC that warps his fleet into a pipe bomb. Neither bothered to do the least bit of work to protect their assets and someone else was there to capitalize on it for kills. Hybrid guns are just more appropriate for the kill than smartbombs. Except that it's not a fair comparison, because it completely ignores the offensive side here.
If you want to compare yourselves to Rooks&Kings, I bet they'll thank you for the good laugh.
It makes sense that you say this, though, considering you're in no way or form impartial.
Hell ... how comparing a single AFK person to a whole fleet of people actually playing ... ... but ... well ... you're a CODE sheep, what's there to expect otherwise? The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
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Evei Shard
Shard Industries
300
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:04:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Evei Shard wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Evei Shard wrote:Bethan Le Troix wrote: You should regularly read blogs such as The Mittani and the minerbumping site to know when events are happening. Otherwise you will get burnt. Interesting how surviving in game requires not only involvement with the forum run by the game company, but now apparently also requires people to visit non-CCP websites, creating advertising revenue for the owners, in order to obtain intel. How long before people are required to attend real life meetings? Fanfest? Pay $100/month? The meta is out of control. Didn't you write your own forum sig yourself? Oh, so the game and real life *aren't* separate. Much clearer now. The game and the metagame aren't separate.
Requiring people to do things external to the game in order to play the game goes beyond "meta", especially when it requires people to take action which has a real life financial benefit to their enemies, but it's quite obvious you are fine with that.
Profit favors the prepared |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
2502
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:07:00 -
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Evei Shard wrote:Bethan Le Troix wrote: You should regularly read blogs such as The Mittani and the minerbumping site to know when events are happening. Otherwise you will get burnt. Interesting how surviving in game requires not only involvement with the forum run by the game company, but now apparently also requires people to visit non-CCP websites, creating advertising revenue for the owners, in order to obtain intel. How long before people are required to attend real life meetings? Fanfest? Pay $100/month? The meta is out of control.
I play Star Wars The Old Republic and I don't know anyone who would even try to complete a raid without first reading the Dulfy guide for it. If they did try, they certainly shouldn't be expecting to complete it until putting in the hours and hours of work that Dulfy herself does on the test server.
Since Eve is "real" and losses actually matter, I can't fathom why anyone wouldn't take advantage of all sources of intel available. You're playing a competitive game where other players want to kill you and take your stuff.. Take an interest in it. "Its the pod I'm after. The ship is just a pod condom." -- Turgesson "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
620
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:07:00 -
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Christina Project wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:You don't know much about fleet warfare, do you? We're talking about ganking freighters, not fleet warfare. The same applies to ganking miners too. No idea why you're bringing this up. Suicide ganking in masses isn't "warfare" at all. In case of the freighters, there's one guy making sure that the station has enough ships. That's not even much effort, because one can find people who produce all this stuff and even deliver it to the station easily. I tried that, leading to me having hundreds of thrashers + fitting spread across minmatar, gallente and caldari space. Then all you need is a neutral alt seeking out targets, while the fleet sits docked in station. Short: Target is found. Fleet instaundocks to safespot. Fleet warps to target. Fleet ganks. Fleet warps back to station, switched to noobships, undocks, pulls CONCORD. Fleet docks up in base. In all this time, the gankers were sitting in safety in station, probably chestbeating themselves are talking down on others who actually play the game. The longest waits are 15min GCC which don't matter and the alt finding a target. The ganking as mentioned above, can be done in a single minute, except maybe pulling CONCORD which adds session timer delays so maybe we push to a minute and thirty MAX. The issue isn't that they are ganking freighters or anything, the issue is how they do it, turning people into carebears without realizing it. Chestbeating from the safety of the station. Yup Solecist, that's the basics (except the fleet dies, it can't warp away iirc).
But the logistics of 100s of Talos is no small feat.
Also, the split-second timing and coordination involved is nothing to 'chuckle' about. And the scouting/intel gathering isn't trivial either.
The FC needs to kill the target without getting an excessive amount of ships CONCORDed.
Last but not least, keeping a sizeable bunch of guys motivated, entertained and 'on the ball' through all those 15min wait-outs + other waiting time is a challenge too.
Sure, engaging an actual PVP fleet is another thing altogether, but the organizational skills of the top ganker groups are quite good. In my experience, logistics/coordination/motivation makes up 50 to 80% of the success of 'kosher' fleet PVP. In many cases, the skill of the FC makes up almost all the rest.
Solo / small gang PVP requires more single player skill (and is crazy fun), but we rarely make the headlines on TMC: |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7112
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:07:00 -
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Evei Shard wrote: Requiring people to do things external to the game in order to play the game goes beyond "meta",
That is the literal definition.
Quote: especially when it requires people to take action which has a real life financial benefit to their enemies, but it's quite obvious you are fine with that.
What the hell are you talking about? Is this some Dinsdale RMT conspiracy? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
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Carmen Electra
Drunk Chaos Blood.Drunk
490
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:09:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Evei Shard wrote: especially when it requires people to take action which has a real life financial benefit to their enemies, but it's quite obvious you are fine with that.
What the hell are you talking about? Is this some Dinsdale RMT conspiracy?
I didn't understand it either.
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Noragli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:09:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Noragli wrote:
I personally don't care if changes are made to fix this or not. It doesn't affect me directly, I do not use frieghters or other high value ships. This is just an observation I made, a line was crossed when they started targetting empty ships just for the sake of it. Is it time for change?
How funny is it when someone hides behind an 3 month of npc corp alt just to pretend that don't actually support something that's the took the time to post about? Funny as in sad and weak that is.
It doesn't affect me if they make changes or not.
It's obvious to all but those in denial that EVE online has lost a lot of players, it may well be losing players constantly.
It's also obvious that people don't stick around in games they have a bad time in. In EVE online, for the past year or two ganking has spiralled out of control, all in the guise of "pay us 10m and follow the code or we'll gank you" They couldn't care less about the 10m, it's just an excuse to gank people.
The behaviour of these players and the ease that they can gank people in high security space will certainly be having a negative affect on the experience of many EVE online players. Normal people won't hang around, they will simply quit. By normal people I mean people who play the game for fun in their spare time, not the rabid high sec ganker types, who play only for the "tears" of other players.
Now that these ganker types are banding together the problem has become great enough that I believe CCP should act less they want to bleed subscriptions due to this group of players. |
Beliskner
Internet Loveshack
3
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:11:00 -
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They are playing the game the way they want to play it. I don't like or agree with them but saying they shouldn't be allowed to do that is stupid.
You don't like it? Stay away from them. |
Carmen Electra
Drunk Chaos Blood.Drunk
490
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:12:00 -
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Noragli wrote:for the past year or two ganking has spiralled out of control
You must be new here. You missed the golden age of ganking by a couple of years.
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Noragli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:15:00 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:Noragli wrote:for the past year or two ganking has spiralled out of control You must be new here. You missed the golden age of ganking by a couple of years.
Ganking used to be just mostly about ganking miners in the belts. Now they just target anyone and everyone for the killmails and for lols. In the last 1-2 years freighters became a hot ganker target, they target everyone now. |
Mag's
the united
17448
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:16:00 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:Noragli wrote:for the past year or two ganking has spiralled out of control You must be new here. You missed the golden age of ganking by a couple of years. And it definitely was the past year or two.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
2503
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:16:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Except that it's not a fair comparison, because it completely ignores the offensive side here.
If you want to compare yourselves to Rooks&Kings, I bet they'll thank you for the good laugh.
It makes sense that you say this, though, considering you're in no way or form impartial.
Hell ... how comparing a single AFK person to a whole fleet of people actually playing ... ... but ... well ... you're a CODE sheep, what's there to expect otherwise?
Baaaa.... "Its the pod I'm after. The ship is just a pod condom." -- Turgesson "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion |
Winter Archipelago
Fade.
231
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:16:00 -
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Auron Black wrote: Rational would dictate a criminal be denied docking rights in high sec stations. Maybe create forged or stole docking passes like from star wars? Could be a pretty cool new profession. Now pirates can pay to dock up safely or actively bounce around a system avoiding the popo.
Following that "rational," all security-related missions should be moved out of highsec, because as you said, CONCORD should be out there, protecting people. The same with the faction police. Essentially, every rat you kill is -5 or lower because they're already free-for-all and you aren't at risk (from the police) over shooting them.
Go back to WoW if you want perfect safety. As has been pointed out, if people with low sec status can't get into Highsec, then highsec basically becomes 100% safe, except for the armies of new alts that would be created for the sole purpose of ganking (as there aren't enough tags to supply all gankers). Ransoms are accepted in Isk, Ships, Mods, and Dolls. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3370
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:18:00 -
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Noragli wrote:It's obvious to all but those in denial and yet remains to be demonstrated |
Noragli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:20:00 -
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Beliskner wrote:They are playing the game the way they want to play it. I don't like or agree with them but saying they shouldn't be allowed to do that is stupid.
You don't like it? Stay away from them.
I didn't say they shouldn't be allowed to do it. I said it shouldn't be so easy for them.
I do plenty of ganking myself using my catalyst alts and scout character. It's so easy and there's no risk to you, the only risk is that you'll fail the gank, and that doesn't happen often and even if it does, so what? You lost nothing you were not going to lose anyway. If you know what you're doing it's very hard to fail a gank. |
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Mag's
the united
17452
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:22:00 -
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Noragli wrote:...there's no risk to you, the only risk is that you'll fail the gank..... Say what?
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
623
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:23:00 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Evei Shard wrote: especially when it requires people to take action which has a real life financial benefit to their enemies, but it's quite obvious you are fine with that.
What the hell are you talking about? Is this some Dinsdale RMT conspiracy? I didn't understand it either. It's actually quite funny!
Evei Shard's apparent train of thought (Evei feel free to clarify if I misunderstood):
Somebody makes an EVE website.
He would like more advertising revenue.
So he instructs his minions to organize destructive EVE events.
He proceeds to advertise these events on his website.
If people want to know about these events and not be destroyed, they have to check his website.
He gets more advertising revenue.
Op success!
Crazy tinfoil, I know. Probably Dinsdale's alt! |
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
300
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:23:00 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Evei Shard wrote: especially when it requires people to take action which has a real life financial benefit to their enemies, but it's quite obvious you are fine with that.
What the hell are you talking about? Is this some Dinsdale RMT conspiracy? I didn't understand it either.
External sites such as theMittani gain advertising revenue for every person that visits. That is real life cash in the hands of Mittens for every freighter pilot you and your friends wish to force to his site just so they can *maybe* get a hint as to what might or might not be going on in game. Same applies to CODE, but, again, apparently everyone feels that the meta-game includes real life to any degree. No wonder they were so giddy over TheMittani's fanfest proclamations. It's just meta, after all. Profit favors the prepared |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6748
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:23:00 -
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Noragli wrote:
It doesn't affect me if they make changes or not.
This is a lie. Why? Read further.
Quote: It's obvious to all but those in denial that EVE online has lost a lot of players, it may well be losing players constantly.
It's also obvious that people don't stick around in games they have a bad time in. In EVE online, for the past year or two ganking has spiralled out of control, all in the guise of "pay us 10m and follow the code or we'll gank you" They couldn't care less about the 10m, it's just an excuse to gank people.
The behaviour of these players and the ease that they can gank people in high security space will certainly be having a negative affect on the experience of many EVE online players. Normal people won't hang around, they will simply quit. By normal people I mean people who play the game for fun in their spare time, not the rabid high sec ganker types, who play only for the "tears" of other players.
Now that these ganker types are banding together the problem has become great enough that I believe CCP should act less they want to bleed subscriptions due to this group of players.
So it's all just 'good advice' (that advice being 'think of the children, i mean casuals') for CCP so they don't lose subs.
This is also an example of "something I don't like is the root of all evil". You obviously don't like gankers, people who play for 'tears' and so forth. So obvioulsy gankers and ganking are the root causes of whatever problems you think the game has. Problem if you formed a dumb opinion without any proof (while ignoring the fact that ganking has existed for the entire duration of the game, proving that gaking is *at best* neutral when it comes to subscription numbers).
You really posted this mess you posted but still want us to beleive that you are in fact a 3 month old player who didn't get ganked lol? Anyone who beleive you must also believe in ocean front property in Montana and that a random stranger in EVE Online will double your isk out of kindness. |
Carmen Electra
Drunk Chaos Blood.Drunk
494
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:23:00 -
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Noragli wrote:I do plenty of ganking myself using my catalyst alts and scout character.
Sigh. Now I'm really confused
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3370
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:25:00 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:Noragli wrote:I do plenty of ganking myself using my catalyst alts and scout character. Sigh. Now I'm really confused
Noragli wrote:I personally don't care if changes are made to fix this or not. It doesn't affect me directly
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Mag's
the united
17452
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:25:00 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:Noragli wrote:I do plenty of ganking myself using my catalyst alts and scout character. Sigh. Now I'm really confused Well it sounded quite good, so I give them 5/10 for effort.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Noragli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:25:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Noragli wrote:
It doesn't affect me if they make changes or not.
This is a lie. Why? Read further. Quote: It's obvious to all but those in denial that EVE online has lost a lot of players, it may well be losing players constantly.
It's also obvious that people don't stick around in games they have a bad time in. In EVE online, for the past year or two ganking has spiralled out of control, all in the guise of "pay us 10m and follow the code or we'll gank you" They couldn't care less about the 10m, it's just an excuse to gank people.
The behaviour of these players and the ease that they can gank people in high security space will certainly be having a negative affect on the experience of many EVE online players. Normal people won't hang around, they will simply quit. By normal people I mean people who play the game for fun in their spare time, not the rabid high sec ganker types, who play only for the "tears" of other players.
Now that these ganker types are banding together the problem has become great enough that I believe CCP should act less they want to bleed subscriptions due to this group of players.
So it's all just 'good advice' (that advice being 'think of the children, i mean casuals') for CCP so they don't lose subs. This is also an example of "something I don't like is the root of all evil". You obviously don't like gankers, people who play for 'tears' and so forth. So obvioulsy gankers and ganking are the root causes of whatever problems you think the game has. Problem if you formed a dumb opinion without any proof (while ignoring the fact that ganking has existed for the entire duration of the game, proving that gaking is *at best* neutral when it comes to subscription numbers). You really posted this mess you posted but still want us to beleive that you are in fact a 3 month old player who didn't get ganked lol? Anyone who beleive you must also believe in ocean front property in Montana and that a random stranger in EVE Online will double your isk out of kindness.
I have two main characters, both are -10 and have only ever ganked. I also have a 3rd ganker character who is trained but I've never needed to use him.
Guess you're wrong. |
Mag's
the united
17452
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:29:00 -
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Noragli wrote:Noragli wrote:It doesn't affect me if they make changes or not. Jenn aSide wrote:This is a lie. Why? Read further. I have two main characters, both are -10 and have only ever ganked. I also have a 3rd ganker character who is trained but I've never needed to use him. Guess you're wrong. No, I see Jenn was spot on.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Malcolm Shinhwa
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
2505
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Posted - 2014.06.16 19:29:00 -
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Evei Shard wrote:Carmen Electra wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Evei Shard wrote: especially when it requires people to take action which has a real life financial benefit to their enemies, but it's quite obvious you are fine with that.
What the hell are you talking about? Is this some Dinsdale RMT conspiracy? I didn't understand it either. External sites such as theMittani gain advertising revenue for every person that visits. That is real life cash in the hands of Mittens for every freighter pilot you and your friends wish to force to his site just so they can *maybe* get a hint as to what might or might not be going on in game. Same applies to CODE, but, again, apparently everyone feels that the meta-game includes real life to any degree. No wonder they were so giddy over TheMittani's fanfest proclamations. It's just meta, after all.
Wait, wait, I can fix this. Oh this is good. Install an ad-blocker in your web browser. Then read their sites, they don't get paid, and you get free intel! OMG this is genius. Or, just send a scout ahead of your loot pinata to see if the way is clear. You could do that. But like the web sites or the ad blocker, :effort:. "Its the pod I'm after. The ship is just a pod condom." -- Turgesson "You're a d-bag. But you're a caring d-bag." -- Sindel Pellion |
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