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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2014.07.10 22:18:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:.... suicide ganking is just a way to avoid having to war dec. Yes it is, what of it? It's also one of the more amusing ways of screwing with trade & industry, hauler and miner alts etc. Specifically those hiding in NPC corps and/ or shipping through 3rd party haulers, who will more than likely use NPC alts...* An NPC corp is a way of avoiding wardecs, suicide ganking is a counter to that, the counter to suicide ganking is to play smarter. *I'm beginning to sound like a goon
I am not saying it shoudl nto exist. I jsut think that destroyers are TOOOO effective on taht role. Make the game look even more stupid. If it was not for destroyers at least I could pretend that the gankers are being penalized when concord appears :P "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
DB Tank
Worcester Marauders
38
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Posted - 2014.07.10 22:20:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:DB Tank wrote: Wars should have a meaning why there was a war dec in the first place rather than just to get a kill
No, they should not. This is a sandbox game, which means that "because I can" is a good enough answer, let alone "to get kills".
And with that sandbox word I also just finish on what version of eve I imagine sounds a lot better than yours but each to there own. Every one has a valid point of view |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1416
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Posted - 2014.07.10 22:22:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Whenever someone comes out with null is safer tripe I tell them to run a simple test.
Take an empty, unfitted badger and park it on one of the busy jita gates, see how long it is before someone attacks.
Next take an unfitted badger and park it on a busy null sec gate. Keep on replacing the null sec badger untill the one in jita gets killed.
now.. put 20 plexes inside... and the jita one suddenly gets popped way faster .
Irrelevant situatiosn are not a good argument sorry. Usually you present reasonable ones, but that was not. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19548
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Posted - 2014.07.10 22:26:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:I am not saying it shoudl nto exist. I jsut think that destroyers are TOOOO effective on taht role. Make the game look even more stupid. If it was not for destroyers at least I could pretend that the gankers are being penalized when concord appears :P Being able to put down an hilarious amount of DPS while cheap and having the tank of a wet paper bag is kind of a destroyers role, ganking freighters happens to fit within that role perfectly.
Working as intended.
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
830
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Posted - 2014.07.10 22:59:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:I am not saying it shoudl nto exist. I jsut think that destroyers are TOOOO effective on taht role. Make the game look even more stupid. If it was not for destroyers at least I could pretend that the gankers are being penalized when concord appears :P So what dps/cost would be fair? Should gankers have to spend 20m for 700dps? 50m? 100m? 200m? There is already a exponential progression on isk/dps. A talos is ten times the cost of a t2 catalyst with only a little over twice the dps. A brutix is seven times the cost of a t2 catalyst with a little over 1.5 times the dps. Any nerf to destroyers hurts new players far more than it hurts suicide gankers. We have the money and skills to move up to cruisers, new players do not. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7746
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Posted - 2014.07.10 23:40:00 -
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DB Tank wrote: Every one has a valid point of view
No, that's not even remotely true. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Remiel Pollard
The Vigilance Institute
3861
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Posted - 2014.07.11 00:05:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:DB Tank wrote: Every one has a valid point of view No, that's not even remotely true.
"Everyone has a valid point of view" is what people who tell you to "do your research" tell themselves in order to convince themselves they're not deluded. Of course, once they've convinced themselves, this then flows over into what they tell others when their point of view is dismissed for the delusion it actually is. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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Puppy Eating
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.11 00:06:00 -
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malcovas Henderson wrote:Grog Aftermath wrote:
Using scouts is a bit difficult if you have only one character, hiring bodyguards may make the trip not cost effective.
If you have made it to flying a Freighter without making friends. Then you should not be playing MMO's
Implying friends exist in EVE.
A 'friend' is just someone you haven't betrayed yet |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10623
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Posted - 2014.07.11 00:47:00 -
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Puppy Eating wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote:Grog Aftermath wrote:
Using scouts is a bit difficult if you have only one character, hiring bodyguards may make the trip not cost effective.
If you have made it to flying a Freighter without making friends. Then you should not be playing MMO's Implying friends exist in EVE. A 'friend' is just someone you haven't betrayed yet Says someone who, very predictably, is in an NPC corp. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
42
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Posted - 2014.07.11 01:05:00 -
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Puppy Eating wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote:Grog Aftermath wrote:
Using scouts is a bit difficult if you have only one character, hiring bodyguards may make the trip not cost effective.
If you have made it to flying a Freighter without making friends. Then you should not be playing MMO's Implying friends exist in EVE. A 'friend' is just someone you haven't betrayed yet
Most people have friends in real life, most people share significant things in common with their real life friends, a significant number of people who play the MMO Eve Online manage to make the connection between the advantages of real life friends and friends in game.
You however have failed to make that connection.
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Remiel Pollard
The Vigilance Institute
3862
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Posted - 2014.07.11 02:13:00 -
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Puppy Eating wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote:Grog Aftermath wrote:
Using scouts is a bit difficult if you have only one character, hiring bodyguards may make the trip not cost effective.
If you have made it to flying a Freighter without making friends. Then you should not be playing MMO's Implying friends exist in EVE. A 'friend' is just someone you haven't betrayed yet
And this attitude is why you have none. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12309
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Posted - 2014.07.11 04:10:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:baltec1 wrote:Whenever someone comes out with null is safer tripe I tell them to run a simple test.
Take an empty, unfitted badger and park it on one of the busy jita gates, see how long it is before someone attacks.
Next take an unfitted badger and park it on a busy null sec gate. Keep on replacing the null sec badger untill the one in jita gets killed. now.. put 20 plexes inside... and the jita one suddenly gets popped way faster . Irrelevant situatiosn are not a good argument sorry. Usually you present reasonable ones, but that was not.
How so?
The point is to show that null sec is far more dangerous, this unfitted badger test is as simple as it gets and will clearly show which area is the more dangerous. A badger with 20 plex in it is far from normal. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23078
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Posted - 2014.07.11 04:17:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Not everyone that is agaisnt suicide gankers are carebears. Most of the real PVPers that I talk around aree agaisnt it, because it banalize the main focus of the game . How does suicide ganking GÇö the act of killing stuff at a cost and under severe time pressure, while still preferably generating a profit GÇö GÇ£banalizeGÇ¥ the main focus of the game (which involves a whole lot of killing stuff and generating profits)? Are you quite sure these are GÇ£real PvPersGÇ¥ and not just people who wilfully impose restrictions on themselves for no particularly useful reason and then get annoyed when others don't do the same?
Kagura Nikon wrote:now.. put 20 plexes inside... and the jita one suddenly gets popped way faster .
Irrelevant situatiosn are not a good argument sorry. So why did you try to use one as an argument? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12312
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Posted - 2014.07.11 04:18:00 -
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Puppy Eating wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote:Grog Aftermath wrote:
Using scouts is a bit difficult if you have only one character, hiring bodyguards may make the trip not cost effective.
If you have made it to flying a Freighter without making friends. Then you should not be playing MMO's Implying friends exist in EVE. A 'friend' is just someone you haven't betrayed yet
Its funny how I have total trust with other goons when moving my stuff from deployment to deployment yet you more civilised people have nobody you can trust. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23078
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Posted - 2014.07.11 04:21:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Its funny how I have total trust with other goons when moving my stuff from deployment to deployment yet you more civilised people have nobody you can trust. It's almost as if there's a reason why one of the seminal books on social trust and community building is named Bowling AloneGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2014.07.11 10:19:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:I am not saying it shoudl nto exist. I jsut think that destroyers are TOOOO effective on taht role. Make the game look even more stupid. If it was not for destroyers at least I could pretend that the gankers are being penalized when concord appears :P So what dps/cost would be fair? Should gankers have to spend 20m for 700dps? 50m? 100m? 200m? There is already a exponential progression on isk/dps. A talos is ten times the cost of a t2 catalyst with only a little over twice the dps. A brutix is seven times the cost of a t2 catalyst with a little over 1.5 times the dps. Any nerf to destroyers hurts new players far more than it hurts suicide gankers. We have the money and skills to move up to cruisers, new players do not.
You know very well that it is not so simple. But when you can afford to suicide gank any battleship with 80m on its modules, then its borderline dumb.
Yes there is an exponentail cost that is irrelevant because exactly the catalysis is absurd. I know that nerfign the destroyers is a problem because the ship has an INTENDED role (that is nto suicide ganking) that shoudl not be attacked. No one said the solution would be easy. I am just pointing that Catalysis make all other forms of engagement in high sec look so non efficient that soudns really dumb. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1417
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Posted - 2014.07.11 10:21:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:now.. put 20 plexes inside... and the jita one suddenly gets popped way faster .
Irrelevant situatiosn are not a good argument sorry. So why did you try to use one as an argument?
I thought you were smart enough to understand the usage of an Ironic statement. Clearly I have to lower my expectations at these forums even more.
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
282
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Posted - 2014.07.11 10:24:00 -
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The first kill of our Burn Jita events is done using 100+ noobships.
By the way, your signature makes your (terribly spelled) post extra funny. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7757
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Posted - 2014.07.11 10:28:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote: I am just pointing that Catalysis make all other forms of engagement in high sec look so non efficient that soudns really dumb.
That has nothing to do with the Catalyst. It has to do with whichever ship is the maximum dps for the cheapest price.
And you can thank CONCORD for that, by the way. That's why max dps is the only factor worth considering. So you don't get to ***** and moan about what your heavy handed, binary, magic space police mechanic forces people to do with what's left of their playstyle.
Carebears keep nerfing us. We keep adapting (because we're good players and carebears are not). The carebears keep complaining, showing that so long as our playstyle exists at all, they will never stop trying to get it nerfed. There will never be enough nerfs for them, until ganking is impossible. Their end goal is zero PvP in highsec.
I for one say hell no. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10626
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Posted - 2014.07.11 10:44:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:I am not saying it shoudl nto exist. I jsut think that destroyers are TOOOO effective on taht role. Make the game look even more stupid. If it was not for destroyers at least I could pretend that the gankers are being penalized when concord appears :P So what dps/cost would be fair? Should gankers have to spend 20m for 700dps? 50m? 100m? 200m? There is already a exponential progression on isk/dps. A talos is ten times the cost of a t2 catalyst with only a little over twice the dps. A brutix is seven times the cost of a t2 catalyst with a little over 1.5 times the dps. Any nerf to destroyers hurts new players far more than it hurts suicide gankers. We have the money and skills to move up to cruisers, new players do not. You know very well that it is not so simple. But when you can afford to suicide gank any battleship with 80m on its modules, then its borderline dumb. Yes there is an exponentail cost that is irrelevant because exactly the catalysis is absurd. I know that nerfign the destroyers is a problem because the ship has an INTENDED role (that is nto suicide ganking) that shoudl not be attacked. No one said the solution would be easy. I am just pointing that Catalysis make all other forms of engagement in high sec look so non efficient that soudns really dumb. Nerf catalysts then. We'll just gank in vexors. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
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Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
283
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Posted - 2014.07.11 10:48:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Nerf catalysts then. We'll just gank in vexors.
Or Thrashers, or Thoraxes or Tornadoes or Taloses or... |
Remiel Pollard
The Vigilance Institute
3864
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Posted - 2014.07.11 11:56:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:
You know very well that it is not so simple. But when you can afford to suicide gank any battleship with 80m on its modules, then its borderline dumb.
What's borderline dumb is getting ganked in a battleship with any amount of mods on, because if you're in a battleship, then you've been playing the game long enough to learn how to use one. That, or you were borderline dumb, bought a toon already skilled for one and a battleship was your first foray into EVE. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12317
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Posted - 2014.07.11 12:09:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:
You know very well that it is not so simple. But when you can afford to suicide gank any battleship with 80m on its modules, then its borderline dumb.
What's borderline dumb is getting ganked in a battleship with any amount of mods on, because if you're in a battleship, then you've been playing the game long enough to learn how to use one. That, or you were borderline dumb, bought a toon already skilled for one and a battleship was your first foray into EVE.
Again, its funny how my Megathron can take the firepower of several hundred other ships in fleet fights yet they whine that they cannot tank vs 20 destroyers. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Soylent Jade
New Order Logistics CODE.
139
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Posted - 2014.07.11 12:28:00 -
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Henry Montclaire wrote:We like conflict right?
Make anyone with a -10 sec status automatically flagged a suspect and able to be engaged by anyone without CONCORD interference.
Also, someone on one of the first pages said something about using a smartbombing battleship to clear suicide gankers but I'm fairly certain (correct me if I'm wrong) that smartbombs cannot be used in high sec.
WOW Seriously? Anyone -5 or below *can* be freely engaged without CONCORD response. Carebears by definition are afraid to shoot at us. Occasionally some white knights shoot at us, but all they generally accomplish is whoring in on CONCORD killmails and getting themselves some easy bounty money.
Smartbombs *can* be used in highsec, but you have to set your safety to red. Smartbombs would probably be a bad idea because unless you somehow are in a duel with the AFK freighter, you're going to get yourself CONCORDed. You may also get a white knight or two with your smartbombs, which would add to the hilarity. Plus, we usually have a neutral close enough to the target that you'll hit them, and we'll get killrights on you...are you willing to be extra paranoid for 30 days to save some ungrateful freighter pilot that won't even know you saved them? We may even gank your battleship instead, or at least bump it away from the target. Making hisec better...one Catalyst at a time
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Cannibal Kane
Cannibal Empire
4052
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Posted - 2014.07.11 12:38:00 -
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Henry Montclaire wrote:We like conflict right?
Make anyone with a -10 sec status automatically flagged a suspect and able to be engaged by anyone without CONCORD interference.
Also, someone on one of the first pages said something about using a smartbombing battleship to clear suicide gankers but I'm fairly certain (correct me if I'm wrong) that smartbombs cannot be used in high sec.
I hope your trolling otherwise you are in the right alliance.
-5 and below can be freely engaged without concord intervention. The problem people seem to have is the effort that comes with it.
They want that quick win button since anything worth fighting for should have a I win button right? "Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk |
Christina Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
251
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Posted - 2014.07.11 12:49:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Henry Montclaire wrote:We like conflict right?
Make anyone with a -10 sec status automatically flagged a suspect and able to be engaged by anyone without CONCORD interference.
Also, someone on one of the first pages said something about using a smartbombing battleship to clear suicide gankers but I'm fairly certain (correct me if I'm wrong) that smartbombs cannot be used in high sec. I hope your trolling otherwise you are in the right alliance. -5 and below can be freely engaged without concord intervention. The problem people seem to have is the effort that comes with it. They want that quick win button since anything worth fighting for should have a I win button right? That guy must be a troll... or, well, typical highsec citizen.
You are half right. It's not only effort. It's alao too much ego. Too many people really hate gankers. For them it's about the ego and nothing more. They don't care for a cause at all, they only care about their selfish bullshit, pretending to achieving something by whoring on lossmails or killing pods without actually helping anyone.
Then there are all those idiots who are clueless beyond measurement but believe they can talk down on me because I am -10, just spreading more hate and showing again that people care only about themselves than about the cause.
Then there's this complete lack of organization ... ... but the worst part are the sick carebears.
Like this Leo who calls gankers sociopaths in his bio. A coward who stays silent until there's an opportunity to rabble hatred.
People are doing anything to ruin this. 200+ people in the channel, only a handfull ever speak, unless the trolls and assholes come out.
The anti-ganking channel is as much crap as all the others. Only gank-intel has any sense and actually a reason to exist.
It's not lazyness... these people simply don't cut it. No matter what angle I looked at it.
They're like accountants trying to be lion tambers. Deeper Feelings Inc. - Selling reality ... as fiction. ;) http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - #3 Uedama. sigh... can't even make a proper sig. :/
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Mrs Epeen
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2014.07.11 14:10:00 -
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Christina Project wrote:They're like accountants trying to be lion tambers. W(here)TF did you learn how to spell?
Your argument is invalid.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from-átime to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -á-á-á~ Thomas Jefferson-á~ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.07.11 14:11:00 -
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Mrs Epeen wrote:Christina Project wrote:They're like accountants trying to be lion tambers. W(here)TF did you learn how to spell? Your argument is invalid.
You never tambed a lion?
A tambed lioness is called a Tambourine, btw "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19550
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Posted - 2014.07.11 14:35:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:I know that nerfign the destroyers is a problem because the ship has an INTENDED role (that is nto suicide ganking) that shoudl not be attacked. Let me guess, a destroyer should be limited to the role specified for it by CCP, as an anti frigate platform?
It's a sandbox, people can use the tools and mechanics in any way they see fit as long as they remain within the rules.
Mrs Epeen wrote:Christina Project wrote:They're like accountants trying to be lion tambers. W(here)TF did you learn how to spell? Your argument is invalid. Not everybody has English as a first language, IIRC the person behind the "Project Sisters" is one of them.
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Christina Project
Deeper Feelings Inc.
253
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Posted - 2014.07.11 14:50:00 -
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Thanks Jonah, but speaking with worthless, hating "people" really isn't worth the time. Deeper Feelings Inc. - Selling reality ... as fiction. ;) http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - #3 Uedama. sigh... can't even make a proper sig. :/
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