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Kal Murmur
Lazortits
11
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Posted - 2014.07.15 21:24:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:And? I didn't start up my awox campaigns or my scamming sprees until people just like you started crying for nerfs because people get their spaceships blown up in a game about blowing up spaceships.
I've played long enough that I remember this. You people abandoned live and let live first. I have not forgotten, and each and every gank, scam, and awox is my way to make you pay for your arrogance.
To me, holding your opinion is a crime. Against the sandbox, against player freedom, and against your fellow players.
Given that trying to blow up other peoples internet spaceships accounts for at least 95% of my time playing Eve, I think you're mixing up your targets. |
Lady Areola Fappington
2073
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Posted - 2014.07.15 21:26:00 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote: I honestly don't think so. The reason for my doubt is that an "instant gratification with no risk of severe loss" place already exists. It's called Singularity, and we've all seen how little it's used. I am honestly starting to come to the conclusion that people ***** about this particular topic just for the sake of bitching.
I am almost to the point of supporting something like Mittens' noob zone idea, but one that allows everyone in. Once you're in fluffy bear land, you and your assets cease to exist to the rest of New Eden, and any skill training that occurs or assets acquired in there are lost upon leaving. They want a single player game? Let them have it, at least long enough to realize just how boring and miserable and experience it would be. By single player, I mean truly single player. No one to buy the crap that they are uselessly farming for, no one to gank them, no one to "grief" them, etc. I feel like they may need this kind of system shock to realize that the future they are aiming for is complete ****.
That would be quite the interesting idea, honestly. Give the "PVE at any cost" people a little flag they can set. In exchange for setting the flag, everything about that account just stops. No ISK generation, no SP, no seeing other ships in space, no chat (or maybe just one huge global room), nothing. They can just get an arbitrary "score", rather than ISK or SP. They can use the "score" to buy pretend ammo, equipment, and stuff from NPC vendors. NPC sold items, of course, costing more than what they buy the items back for.
Then, the PVE at any cost get their wish, they can't interact with EVE in any way shape or form. Still pay sub fees, of course.
I really wonder just how long they'd last like that. This thread officially has 25% more pssssssshhh than leading competitors. Rick Moranis was never put on death row for shrinking his children. New York exists outside the mind of Billy Joel. A French press is not lifting weights with your tongue out. Lena Dunham is not a girl ventriloquist. |
Paranoid Loyd
863
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Posted - 2014.07.15 21:27:00 -
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Kal Murmur wrote:Given that trying to blow up other peoples internet spaceships accounts for at least 95% of my time playing Eve, I think you're mixing up your targets.
Interesting, there is zero evidence of that. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19632
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Posted - 2014.07.15 21:27:00 -
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Kal Murmur wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:CSM minutes Dec 2012 page 104"For reasons that are left as an exercise to the reader, Exhumers are now blowing up at historically low rates." We've heard nothing contrary since so it is assumed that the above is still true, even James and his band of rambunctious rapscallions are unlikely to have made a dent in the amount of barges and exhumers in use every day. Seriously? 'We assume' that 2 year old data is still true because CCP haven't specifically said it isn't? It's just as valid an assumption as you assuming that all the Charon kills you listed were down to suicide ganks.
In fact it's more valid because since the days of Hulkageddon V nobody has really gone to town with a mass culling of miners. CODE. do a good job of it, but they just don't have the resources or numbers to do it on that scale.
Also you should fix your quote Jenn aSide said that, not me.
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
Professor Solus
The Chicago School
4
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Posted - 2014.07.15 21:27:00 -
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You are setting up a false dichotomy. Do you not see that?
EVE and ESO can both be terrible for different reasons! Likewise, you can improve EVE without turning it into ESO.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
2711
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Posted - 2014.07.15 21:28:00 -
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Lady Areola Fappington wrote:That would be quite the interesting idea, honestly. Give the "PVE at any cost" people a little flag they can set. In exchange for setting the flag, everything about that account just stops. No ISK generation, no SP, no seeing other ships in space, no chat (or maybe just one huge global room), nothing. They can just get an arbitrary "score", rather than ISK or SP. They can use the "score" to buy pretend ammo, equipment, and stuff from NPC vendors. NPC sold items, of course, costing more than what they buy the items back for.
Then, the PVE at any cost get their wish, they can't interact with EVE in any way shape or form. Still pay sub fees, of course.
I really wonder just how long they'd last like that. CCP has already implemented this. It's called SiSi. .. when everything else is gone .. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7925
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Posted - 2014.07.15 21:29:00 -
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Kal Murmur wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:And? I didn't start up my awox campaigns or my scamming sprees until people just like you started crying for nerfs because people get their spaceships blown up in a game about blowing up spaceships.
I've played long enough that I remember this. You people abandoned live and let live first. I have not forgotten, and each and every gank, scam, and awox is my way to make you pay for your arrogance.
To me, holding your opinion is a crime. Against the sandbox, against player freedom, and against your fellow players. Given that trying to blow up other peoples internet spaceships accounts for at least 95% of my time playing Eve, I think you're mixing up your targets.
Carebear is not what you do. It's an attitude. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5586
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Posted - 2014.07.15 21:29:00 -
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Don't worry. Once Star Citizen is release in like 20 years & kind of works all the bads will flock to that game, although they might come back once they find out that half of the development team are Goons who wasted all of their money on stuff. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
2711
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Posted - 2014.07.15 21:29:00 -
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Professor Solus wrote:You are setting up a false dichotomy. Do you not see that? EVE and ESO can both be terrible for different reasons! Likewise, you can improve EVE without turning it into ESO. Specify what exact changes to highsec mechanics you were advocating? Can't make a judgment with superlatives. .. when everything else is gone .. |
Kal Murmur
Lazortits
11
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Posted - 2014.07.15 21:33:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Interesting, there is zero evidence of that.
I'm fine with that., |
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Paranoid Loyd
865
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Posted - 2014.07.15 21:37:00 -
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Kal Murmur wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Interesting, there is zero evidence of that. I'm fine with that.,
Because you are lying? "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
1283
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Posted - 2014.07.15 21:39:00 -
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Kal Murmur wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Interesting, there is zero evidence of that. I'm fine with that., You do have an intimidating corp name.
Do you shoot at spaceships with your boobs? EVE Online: Death-o-meter |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7925
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Posted - 2014.07.15 21:39:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Kal Murmur wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Interesting, there is zero evidence of that. I'm fine with that., Because you are lying?
"Hey guys, I know I've argued to get you nerfed for page after page of this thread, provided data that was outright lies, but I'm totally one of you! I promise! ...guys?" "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5588
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Posted - 2014.07.15 21:39:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Kal Murmur wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:CSM minutes Dec 2012 page 104"For reasons that are left as an exercise to the reader, Exhumers are now blowing up at historically low rates." We've heard nothing contrary since so it is assumed that the above is still true, even James and his band of rambunctious rapscallions are unlikely to have made a dent in the amount of barges and exhumers in use every day. Seriously? 'We assume' that 2 year old data is still true because CCP haven't specifically said it isn't? It's just as valid an assumption as you assuming that all the Charon kills you listed were down to suicide ganks. In fact it's more valid because since the days of Hulkageddon V nobody has really gone to town with a mass culling of miners. CODE. do a good job of it, but they just don't have the resources or numbers to do it on that scale. Also you should fix your quote Jenn aSide said that, not me.
I've been working on something with a few other guys that may just bring back the days of miners dying in the hundreds each day, which in theory will bring the cost of doing so down to almost zero. Keep you posted. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |
Paranoid Loyd
865
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Posted - 2014.07.15 21:42:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:I've been working on something with a few other guys that may just bring back the days of miners dying in the hundreds each day, which in theory will bring the cost of doing so down to almost zero. Keep you posted.
Let me know if/how I can help.
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7925
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Posted - 2014.07.15 21:43:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:I've been working on something with a few other guys that may just bring back the days of miners dying in the hundreds each day, which in theory will bring the cost of doing so down to almost zero. Keep you posted. Let me know if/how I can help.
And my axe. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19634
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Posted - 2014.07.15 21:46:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:I've been working on something with a few other guys that may just bring back the days of miners dying in the hundreds each day, which in theory will bring the cost of doing so down to almost zero. Keep you posted. Let me know if/how I can help. And my axe. Mine too, hopefully my Gallente alt will see some proper use.
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
2714
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Posted - 2014.07.15 21:51:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:I've been working on something with a few other guys that may just bring back the days of miners dying in the hundreds each day, which in theory will bring the cost of doing so down to almost zero. Keep you posted. Let me know if/how I can help. And my axe. Mine too, hopefully my Gallente alt will see some proper use. Me too, on both sides of the issue. An alt who is decent in a Cat, and myself as a target. .. when everything else is gone .. |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
432
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Posted - 2014.07.15 22:11:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:That would be quite the interesting idea, honestly. Give the "PVE at any cost" people a little flag they can set. In exchange for setting the flag, everything about that account just stops. No ISK generation, no SP, no seeing other ships in space, no chat (or maybe just one huge global room), nothing. They can just get an arbitrary "score", rather than ISK or SP. They can use the "score" to buy pretend ammo, equipment, and stuff from NPC vendors. NPC sold items, of course, costing more than what they buy the items back for.
Then, the PVE at any cost get their wish, they can't interact with EVE in any way shape or form. Still pay sub fees, of course.
I really wonder just how long they'd last like that. CCP has already implemented this. It's called SiSi. That was basically my point, but since SiSi's usage numbers are almost always quite low, it's obvious that people don't really want what they claim to want. What they really want, is all of the benefits of interacting with the sandbox, with none of the costs, losses, or risks. I just wish they'd grow the satchel to come out and say it.
Come on whining bears, try it with me one time: "I am a risk averse miscreant, and want to alter this sandbox to the point where it's not even the same game anymore, just to suit me."
Now, that wasn't so hard, was it? |
Xavier Liche
ACME Mineral and Gas
96
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Posted - 2014.07.15 22:29:00 -
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Remember, whoever has the last post, is right...
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Organic Lager
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
73
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Posted - 2014.07.15 22:51:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Organic Lager wrote:baltec1 wrote:Organic Lager wrote:
There was a very strong trend in 2012, 2013, 2014 with each year showing huge growth (over a 50% increase) in both # of concord kills and # of charon losses. As for the wardec issue the data was compiled from the same source, unless there was some patch between 2012-2014 that would have increased the number of wardecs significantly it would be safe to assume the % lost to wardecs would remain constant throughout.
I think we did it guys this has to be 100! I'm proud of each and every one of you.
We already told you why what you just said is wrong. Many times. Really? must have missed that post. All I ever saw in refute to this was: "I personally haven't seen any change, therefore it's not true". Or "The boards weren't combined until 2012" - no problem just look at 2013 onward Or "Wardecs and other" - as mentioned this should remain consistent throughout the data sets. Or "We have to use cheaper ships right meow because nerfs" - between 2013-2014? You know what never mind, we hit 100 the goal has been achieved, peace. We moved from using one or two high alpha battleships to lots of high DPS small ships. The killboards also did not track concord kills unless they were posted by the ganker, which was rare, that is where the "zomg concord are killing more ships that must mean more people are being ganked! This is wrong, we went from 5 gankers to 20-30 per kill. It would also require you to ignore the fact that CCP themselves have shown that barge ganking has never been lower and that there are near no ganking kills showing up to constitute out of control ganking. Ganking today is nothing like in the past, not even close.
You're like a politician it's uncanny, you avoid answering the question while continuing to spew your meaningless and unrelated nonsense.
Here are the counter points, 2012, 2012, 2012 and 2003? I agree 2012 should be dropped from the analysis based on the lack of reliable killboard info alone. Now care to answer why ganking in 2014 is up 50% over 2013? |
Paranoid Loyd
867
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Posted - 2014.07.15 22:55:00 -
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Organic Lager wrote: Now care to answer why ganking in 2014 is up 50% over 2013?
Because of fools like you constantly arguing about something they obviously know nothing about? It was my motivation....
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
750
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Posted - 2014.07.15 23:01:00 -
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Organic Lager wrote: Now care to answer why ganking in 2014 is up 50% over 2013? Goons and bigger nullsec alliance have always ganked.
However that being said, I know a fair few people who have started gankong because the Tags for Sec status means they can gank all day, go to -whatever sec status then clone jump to the tag station and instantly repair sec.
Me personally, don't see an issue with ganking, not my prefered style of play but its a style non the less. I will say I personally have seen more smaller entities getting in on the action, but ganking has always been part of the game. Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19635
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Posted - 2014.07.15 23:01:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Organic Lager wrote: Now care to answer why ganking in 2014 is up 50% over 2013? Because of fools like you constantly arguing about something they obviously know nothing about? It was my motivation.... Relevant content
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
Organic Lager
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
73
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Posted - 2014.07.15 23:05:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Organic Lager wrote: Now care to answer why ganking in 2014 is up 50% over 2013? Because of fools like you constantly arguing about something they obviously know nothing about? It was my motivation.... Relevant content
I'm confused, you're the pigeon right? |
Paranoid Loyd
868
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Posted - 2014.07.15 23:11:00 -
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Organic Lager wrote: I'm confused
We know, you can stop posting now. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19635
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Posted - 2014.07.15 23:12:00 -
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Organic Lager wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Organic Lager wrote: Now care to answer why ganking in 2014 is up 50% over 2013? Because of fools like you constantly arguing about something they obviously know nothing about? It was my motivation.... Relevant content I'm confused, you're the pigeon right? Oh such a pithy retort
Here's a hot tip for you, the pigeon is the person who has absolutely no idea what he's prattling on about, which isn't me. Does that clear up your confusion?
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5588
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Posted - 2014.07.15 23:15:00 -
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Organic Lager wrote:Now care to answer why ganking in 2014 is up 50% over 2013?
It's not, we just use 50% more ships to do it. I'm not sure how this concept could be made any easier for you to understand. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19635
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Posted - 2014.07.15 23:18:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Organic Lager wrote:Now care to answer why ganking in 2014 is up 50% over 2013? It's not, we just use 50% more ships to do it. I'm not sure how this concept could be made any easier for you to understand. Crayon drawings and words of 2 syllables or less?
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
Organic Lager
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
74
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Posted - 2014.07.15 23:31:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Organic Lager wrote:Now care to answer why ganking in 2014 is up 50% over 2013? It's not, we just use 50% more ships to do it. I'm not sure how this concept could be made any easier for you to understand.
Thanks for the real answer, as I see Jonah still wants to play the pigeon. Now correct me if I'm wrong but didn't that nerf bat hit you in 2012 with the insurance payout nerf? |
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