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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.06.17 17:56:00 -
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Short Question, short Answer.
Where is the Counter Code? Seniorplayers dont need "Counter Code" since codies are just a minor anoyance to them.
Who cares for a bunch of sorry griefers? There might be some here in the forums but much less in the game.
a fact in the world of MMOs: Most players play the game and are very seldom in the forum. If ever. |
Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
297
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Posted - 2014.06.17 18:07:00 -
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Haedonism Bot wrote:The main reason that every anti-Code movement fails before it gets off the ground is because all of them, to date, are based on a sense of entitlement, and a hatred of players who they perceive as being bad people in real life. By contrast, the New Order is based on fun video game content. You aren't going to attract and retain a group of gamers if your cause isn't fun. I always figured that the only way that an anti-New Order movement could have a chance of persisting is if they embrace the same tactics that the New Order uses - ganking, AWOXing, etc.
Even then, the odds are slim that they could ever match the New Order at that game. The special genius that James 315 has is that he keeps this fun every day, even after all this time. That's why you see so many people who start out fighting us end up on our side.
I'm gonna stop you there and say that most movement fail because you can't inhibit or control how the gankers move throughout highsec. Are you going to sit on every gate and on every station in a blap ship just waiting for them? Do people realise that once blap ships become a reality then the gankers undock shinier stuff? It's an issue endemic to the location, kind of like a modern corporate environment. You want to fire someone but you have to catch them screwing up first - even though you know they're up to no good your hands are tied until there's blood on the sand.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=348015 T3 OHing subsystem review and rebalance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290346 LP faction weapon store costs rebalancing
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Bronson Hughes
36
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Posted - 2014.06.17 18:32:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:There's an anti-ganking channel? This I have to see. Be very careful joining that channel. There are some things the human mind should not be exposed to.
What is it? I am curious to see if what I've concluded from this thread is true there. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
I don't avoid getting shot, but I do generally avoid getting shot first. |
Paranoid Loyd
699
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Posted - 2014.06.17 18:33:00 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:There's an anti-ganking channel? This I have to see. Be very careful joining that channel. There are some things the human mind should not be exposed to. What is it? I am curious to see if what I've concluded from this thread is true there.
Anti-ganking is the name of the channel. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Bronson Hughes
36
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Posted - 2014.06.17 18:34:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Anti-ganking is the name of the channel.
No points for creativity.... Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
I don't avoid getting shot, but I do generally avoid getting shot first. |
Winchester Steele
1206
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Posted - 2014.06.17 18:42:00 -
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La Rynx wrote:Short Question, short Answer.
Where is the Counter Code? Seniorplayers dont need "Counter Code" since codies are just a minor anoyance to them.
Who cares for a bunch of sorry griefers? There might be some here in the forums but much less in the game.
a fact in the world of MMOs: Most players play the game and are very seldom in the forum. If ever.
You are just adorable. ... |
Bridgette d'Iberville
Better Killing Through Chemistry
273
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Posted - 2014.06.17 18:47:00 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Anti-ganking is the name of the channel. No points for creativity....
Seriosuly... even though it would only be topical for a short while, where is the obvious CODE-Breakers channel? "I considered a career in griefing, but then realized that I would never achieve the level of tear generation that CCP manages to do each and every expansion." |
Paranoid Loyd
700
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Posted - 2014.06.17 18:53:00 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Anti-ganking is the name of the channel. No points for creativity....
Heh, the creativity is in the channel
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
937
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Posted - 2014.06.17 18:59:00 -
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The reason there is no "Counter-CODE" is because the victims are scared to PVP.... It's not just in highsec. I've seen nullbears do the same when under attack.
Even though Eve is a PVP based game it attracts a player base that absolutely refuses to get involved in any form of PVP. Maybe it's because their few PVP interactions have been negative. Being ganked, falling into lowsec gate camps etc. |
Tengu Grib
Normadiac Industrial And Security Solutions
171
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:13:00 -
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Azov Rassau wrote:Bronson Hughes, As an anti-ganker, I will hereby try to make it more clear about how anti-ganking works and why there's a lack of organization. Several months ago I had written some sunday wall-of-text about the view I have about this subject. There are indeed some dedicated, anti-gankers out there who operate mostly individually and stop ganks almost in daily basis. The problem, and the lack of organization, appears with the gameplay of anti-ganking which comes with its own set of problems. You have to be extremely and obnoxiously patient. You literally warp to the belt and wait there for hours in this position, while constantly checking local and D-Scan so that maybe some Anathema (ironically named as "salvager") will provide warp-in on top of a Mackinaw which you seek to protect. blah blah blah and more quality blah
You have taken anti-ganking and given yourself a goal and a purpose. I can tell from your posts that you genuinely do not hate CODE as a group, certainly individuals within it, but not what it stands for and why.
From my experience though, you are a rare specimen of genuine White Knight. The majority of your kin, and all of them that I have run into personally, do nothing but rant and rave and rage in local, then refuse to back up their boasting with action, or when they try to, they fail horribly.
I think the herding cats metaphor is appropriate here. The majority of high sec carebears want to do their own thing, and play eve in their own single player, afk way. When someone interrupts that for them they get angry, but they lack the motivation and determination to actually take the necessary action (for any extended period of time that is, many white knight briefly before going back to their old lives). You might be one of the only sheppards among the cats, though perhaps you know of more.
To you I say, keep it up, you are creating content for yourself, for others, and even for CODE. That's what the New Order is really all about. Content creation is good for all of Eve, not just the people involved. Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever. SolidX > i'm an alt IRL Guilty conscience? Buy a mining permit today. www.minerbumping.com |
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
695
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Posted - 2014.06.17 19:52:00 -
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Tengu Grib wrote:Azov Rassau wrote:Bronson Hughes, As an anti-ganker, I will hereby try to make it more clear about how anti-ganking works and why there's a lack of organization. Several months ago I had written some sunday wall-of-text about the view I have about this subject. There are indeed some dedicated, anti-gankers out there who operate mostly individually and stop ganks almost in daily basis. The problem, and the lack of organization, appears with the gameplay of anti-ganking which comes with its own set of problems. You have to be extremely and obnoxiously patient. You literally warp to the belt and wait there for hours in this position, while constantly checking local and D-Scan so that maybe some Anathema (ironically named as "salvager") will provide warp-in on top of a Mackinaw which you seek to protect. blah blah blah and more quality blah You have taken anti-ganking and given yourself a goal and a purpose. I can tell from your posts that you genuinely do not hate CODE as a group, certainly individuals within it, but not what it stands for and why. From my experience though, you are a rare specimen of genuine White Knight. The majority of your kin, and all of them that I have run into personally, do nothing but rant and rave and rage in local, then refuse to back up their boasting with action, or when they try to, they fail horribly. I think the herding cats metaphor is appropriate here. The majority of high sec carebears want to do their own thing, and play eve in their own single player, afk way. When someone interrupts that for them they get angry, but they lack the motivation and determination to actually take the necessary action (for any extended period of time that is, many white knight briefly before going back to their old lives). You might be one of the only sheppards among the cats, though perhaps you know of more. To you I say, keep it up, you are creating content for yourself, for others, and even for CODE. That's what the New Order is really all about. Content creation is good for all of Eve, not just the people involved. Agreed, Azov's posts are a breath of fresh air in the stifling mass of stupidity that is most white knights we encounter. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Cage Man
427
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Posted - 2014.06.17 20:51:00 -
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CODE is about bullying and extortion.. plain and simple.. clearly CCP support it. I have also recently supported the code by dropping 5 subs.. nice work CODE.. you making CCP rich :/, but I guess CCP do support it. Not complaining btw.. CCP's business to run as they want. There are other games I can carebear in when I feel like relaxing..
The thick plottens... CCP, When can my crane get its black paint job back?? |
Subject 4927
The Last Service.
101
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Posted - 2014.06.17 23:34:00 -
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Azov Rassau wrote:Subject 4927 wrote:Seeing as you have a collection of screens involving me, It's clear that you are one of my many fans.
I should have known. Quoting me from another thread, and taking out the context entirely, was proof enough that your devotion to me is of high regard. This was one hilarious post. I quoted you (and another person) simply as a response to that ganker's typical "tears" bingo response. I believe it's entirely in context. I remember agreeing with some of your previous statements in these forums and you have some good points in your blog too. Maybe you should post with your main so that we know who you are.
I'd post on my main but I like being in PL sowy.
F**k. http://subjectandfriends.wordpress.com |
Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
1267
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Posted - 2014.06.18 00:32:00 -
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Subject 4927 wrote:Azov Rassau wrote:Subject 4927 wrote:Seeing as you have a collection of screens involving me, It's clear that you are one of my many fans.
I should have known. Quoting me from another thread, and taking out the context entirely, was proof enough that your devotion to me is of high regard. This was one hilarious post. I quoted you (and another person) simply as a response to that ganker's typical "tears" bingo response. I believe it's entirely in context. I remember agreeing with some of your previous statements in these forums and you have some good points in your blog too. Maybe you should post with your main so that we know who you are. I'd post on my main but I like being in PL sowy. F**k.
PL doesn't allow their people to post on their mains? Wow, I just lost so much respect.... www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com
Psychotic Monk for CSM9 |
NoThisIsntItAtAll MakeIt MorePSSSHHHH
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.06.18 07:35:00 -
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There is no need for a counter-CODE. Anyone who's been playing for a few months with even half their braincells intact can completely avoid being trolled by CODE.
They typically prey on new players and players with mental illness. Quite sad really... something only past RL victims would be willing to do if ya ask me. There isn't much we can do to help such players other than give them the proper resources to learn from their mistakes. |
NoThisIsntItAtAll MakeIt MorePSSSHHHH
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.06.18 07:41:00 -
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Tengu Grib wrote:Azov Rassau wrote:Bronson Hughes, As an anti-ganker, I will hereby try to make it more clear about how anti-ganking works and why there's a lack of organization. Several months ago I had written some sunday wall-of-text about the view I have about this subject. There are indeed some dedicated, anti-gankers out there who operate mostly individually and stop ganks almost in daily basis. The problem, and the lack of organization, appears with the gameplay of anti-ganking which comes with its own set of problems. You have to be extremely and obnoxiously patient. You literally warp to the belt and wait there for hours in this position, while constantly checking local and D-Scan so that maybe some Anathema (ironically named as "salvager") will provide warp-in on top of a Mackinaw which you seek to protect. blah blah blah and more quality blah You have taken anti-ganking and given yourself a goal and a purpose. I can tell from your posts that you genuinely do not hate CODE as a group, certainly individuals within it, but not what it stands for and why. From my experience though, you are a rare specimen of genuine White Knight. The majority of your kin, and all of them that I have run into personally, do nothing but rant and rave and rage in local, then refuse to back up their boasting with action, or when they try to, they fail horribly. I think the herding cats metaphor is appropriate here. The majority of high sec carebears want to do their own thing, and play eve in their own single player, afk way. When someone interrupts that for them they get angry, but they lack the motivation and determination to actually take the necessary action (for any extended period of time that is, many white knight briefly before going back to their old lives). You might be one of the only sheppards among the cats, though perhaps you know of more. To you I say, keep it up, you are creating content for yourself, for others, and even for CODE. That's what the New Order is really all about. Content creation is good for all of Eve, not just the people involved. I like you. That is why I am posting to tell you that you are OUT OF YOUR MIND.
The New Order is not about creating engaging content for the benefit of players. The New Order is and always has been about trolling players for the amusement of the perpetrators. The purpose of CODE. today is almost solely to create amusing content for James 315 to blog about on his website.
I will leave my opinions aside this post about what that says about you members that you're willing to do this (as grown men). The purpose of this response is simply to inform you that you are completely deluding yourself about your fellow brethren and you shame yourself each and every time you defend them under the guise of something that simply isn't true. |
Jay Joringer
United System's Commonwealth
387
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Posted - 2014.06.18 07:43:00 -
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Who are CODE? Always bet on stupid
http://smug-bastard.blogspot.co.uk
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Grunanca
Doughboys Overload Everything
259
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Posted - 2014.06.19 06:34:00 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:This is not a rant about CODE or other similar suicide gankers. Although I do not (usually) participate in that particular style of gameplay and I can understand why some people would consider it a form of griefing, I think it's perfectly valid and in some ways even useful. They've unified a group of people behind a cause and are proving to be very effective at implementing it. I call that a success story.
I say kudos to them.
No, this post is about the people ranting about suicide gankers. For all the uproar you read here and see in local, you'd figure that someone would have organized a movement against CODE by now to slow down their wave of suicide ganks. Unless said movement is very quiet about their actions, I've seen no sign of it's existence. This could be partly because the most basic counters to a CODE-esque gank are best carried out by individual pilots, not organizations:
Don't autopilot. Don't haul goods worth more than it would cost to gank you. Don't fly expensive ships with paper-thin tanks without proper support.
People could go beyond these basic measures, yet few, if any do. Why haven't all these people complaining about suicide ganks banded together and:
Started flying cheap ECM fleets to jam gankers? Started flying cheap logistics fleets to rep miners/haulers? Scanning down gank fleets and pre-emptively ganking them?
I am not the person to organize such a movement; I have neither the time nor the inclination. But I do think it would be interesting to see it happen and I'd love to watch it in action.
If you really don't like the impact that suicide gankers are having on your gameplay, try standing up and doing something about it instead of complaining that they ganked your expensive ship.
This is EvE. You are never safe here. Get used to it and take steps to protect yourself.
There is no counter to the CODE as you have to be at your keyboard to oragnize a counter. Their victims are not and the rest of us dont give a damn. |
Clara Pond
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2014.06.19 07:33:00 -
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NoThisIsntItAtAll MakeIt MorePSSSHHHH wrote:The New Order is not about creating engaging content for the benefit of players. The New Order is and always has been about trolling players for the amusement of the perpetrators. The purpose of CODE. today is almost solely to create amusing content for James 315 to blog about on his website.
There is an aphorism about untrustworthy people being unable to trust others - because it simply can't occur to them that people might genuinely be trustworthy.
Just because you can't comprehend being philanthropic in Eve does not mean genuine philanthropy cannot exist in Eve. You are seeing conspiracy and lies because they are the only realities that fit into your tinfoil milieu.
Highsec content creation, player retention and fun are what the New Order is genuinely all about, as anyone who has spent time in the organisation knows. Everything else attributed to us is propaganda and fearful fabrication born out of ignorance. |
Azov Rassau
Neo CONCORD
51
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Posted - 2014.06.19 07:49:00 -
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NoThisIsntItAtAll MakeIt MorePSSSHHHH wrote:The New Order is not about creating engaging content for the benefit of players. Incorrect.
Imagine for a moment a 100% safe highsec without any gankers and GÇ£white knightsGÇ¥. I am not talking about Code only, but suicide gankers in general. Wouldn't That be a boring lack of content?
I used to mine a lot in the ice belts of The Forge region, and I can assure you that there's absolutely No action in their gameplay. They don't play EVE. The only possible action for miners were maybe the Gurista rats. Also sometimes they had to make an effort by burning towards a roid to get within optimals (dat action!).
Other than that, it's the usual boring chat about fleet invites, greedy yield calculations and the famous neverending debate between Mackinaw fans and Skiff fans. Most of the miners were AFK anyway and I even remember a Miasmos getting killed by the Guristas at an asteroid belt. Oh God.
From my point of view, the New Order creates engaging content for the benefit of miners. In other words, gankers create the action miners need in order to enjoy EVE. I'm not against mining or anything, but I want to see miners D-Scanning and checking Local.
Tengu Grib wrote:You have taken anti-ganking and given yourself a goal and a purpose. I can tell from your posts that you genuinely do not hate CODE as a group, certainly individuals within it, but not what it stands for and why.
It's not that I certainly hate individuals within it. But there certainly are some figures of shame inside the CODE. alliance. (trolling, insulting etc). I understand that they want to play the villain digital avatars but there are limits for that too.
The insulters are a minority within the CODE. alliance, but since they are poster boys at the same time, their influence is enough to darken the image of the entire ganker community and the valuable highsec service of that community (hence all the hate gankers get in AG chat or w/e). I see a strong connection with CODE.'s poster boys' attitude and the inevitable hate it creates.
Tengu Grib: Nice to see that you have succesfully observed my vision of highsec, instead of coming up with the usual GÇ£tearsGÇ¥ response that I observe on some of your prejudiced ganker mates. I have recently written a short document about my personal notes concerning highsec miners and the importance of d-scan for their survival. I am sure you will fully agree with at least some of my statements.
The more content we have, the better.
Finishing with a quote from a New Order supporter that I partially agree with:
"If we can all raise the standard of our intercourse, we can all help drag highsec out of the cesspit it currently lurks in. Nobody wants to be "that guy" (or girl) that has to resort to petition pvp, but as even the great Kane has discovered, local filth is completely out of control in the highsec community and needs to be checked. Let us, gankers and anti-gankers, be partners in embodying that vital subsection of The Code." No AFKing. -áSafety First. -áUse D-Scan, Check Local. -áBe Alert. |
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Qaping Pi
Solvent Green Recycling
18
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Posted - 2014.06.22 02:51:00 -
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Azov Rassau wrote:"we can all raise the standard of our intercourse, we can all help."
Amen to that |
Estella Osoka
Deep Void Merc Syndicate
406
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Posted - 2014.06.23 16:53:00 -
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To this thread I impart this question.
What is best in life? |
Soylent Jade
New Order Logistics CODE.
116
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Posted - 2014.06.23 22:33:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:To this thread I impart this question.
What is best in life?
To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women. Making hisec better...one Catalyst at a time
minerbumping.com |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
14678
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Posted - 2014.06.23 22:36:00 -
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By ganking the gankers, the anti-gankers themselves have become gankers.
So the only logical conclusion is that for the anti-gankers to be true to anti-ganking, they must self destruct their own ships. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Ria Nieyli
11562
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Posted - 2014.06.23 22:53:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:By ganking the gankers, the anti-gankers themselves have become gankers.
So the only logical conclusion is that for the anti-gankers to be true to anti-ganking, they must self destruct their own ships.
Ah, a paradox! No matter what they do, somebody is getting ganked. Do not remove a fly from your friend's forehead with a hatchet.
- Ancient Chinese Proverb |
John E Normus
New Order Logistics CODE.
123
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Posted - 2014.06.24 02:38:00 -
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Simple answer is, unless Sarah Flynt is in system there is no Counter-Code. It's all white noise at present. Between Ignorance and Wisdom |
Purity by Fire
The Death Stalkers The Marmite Collective
122
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Posted - 2014.06.24 10:52:00 -
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The only thing I can see coming from CODE is a bunch of gankers that have formed up and are blowing up anything they can. And taking isk in permits not to
I would congratulate them but omg you go on so much about this CODE new order its mind numbing.
Even though Im not in CODE im presuming each time CODE ganks a ship, their own ship is replaced by the alliance wallet?.
Also why has your treasury balance dropped to 23 bill from 68 bill in only a month?
Surely the freighter ganking is providing a decent income? So like after 76 petitions I still dont have a logical normal answer. -á Fly safe and fly true and use your headset on the Loo |
Bronson Hughes
95
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Posted - 2014.06.24 11:02:00 -
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Purity by Fire wrote:Also why has your treasury balance dropped to 23 bill from 68 bill in only a month?
Surely the freighter ganking is providing a decent income?
Some of the freighters they have been killing in Aufay have been empty. They're not doing it for profit, they're doing it for the Code. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
I want to create content, not become content. |
Tauranon
Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
1056
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Posted - 2014.06.24 11:07:00 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Purity by Fire wrote:Also why has your treasury balance dropped to 23 bill from 68 bill in only a month?
Surely the freighter ganking is providing a decent income? Some of the freighters they have been killing in Aufay have been empty. They're not doing it for profit, they're doing it for the Code.
set your avoidance list to include aufay, its not a chokepoint. That is the point CODE are making, people are literally lumbering in there without regard to the ship kill rate on the map, the fact that a scout would see a lot of CODE in there, or the fact that they can bypass it, let alone that its been a forum topic for a week.
at this point a freighter dying in there is dumb.
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Jove Eden
Jovian Vengeance
8
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Posted - 2014.06.24 11:42:00 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Purity by Fire wrote:Also why has your treasury balance dropped to 23 bill from 68 bill in only a month?
Surely the freighter ganking is providing a decent income? Some of the freighters they have been killing in Aufay have been empty. They're not doing it for profit, they're doing it for the Code.
I would like some clarification on this CODE as well if possible.
As noted from actually reading what CODE are going on about there are a couple of things I would like to clarify.
The CODE itself advises that by purchasing a 10 mill permit and pasting some stuff in there bio they are clear to mine freely for 1 year as you wish?. As noted in your CODE
You have nothing to fear from the New Order of Highsec coming to your system. Things will largely continue as they have in the past. If you pay me 10 million isk, you can continue to mine ice the same way you always have. If you choose not to pay, you may experience some difficulty. Also, all miners are required to follow some basic rules to ensure the continued vitality of the community.
OK on this part as it states you can mine as your have been prior to paying 10 mill isk. However on another part of the CODE it states you cannot mine like you have been and you have to do this and do that. IE
No excessive mining. Miners should not fall into a routine of mining all day. I want well-rounded people in my system, not ice-mining machines.
It also states that a miner has a 24 hour window to pay 10 mill
If a miner does not wish to purchase a mining indulgence, he may still be granted a one-day reprieve, if he is able to correctly answer the Supreme Protector's Questions Three.
On this point though from listening to local whines nobody is offered this and you guys just blow up there ship.
So as I keep getting replies of its the CODE, we live by the CODE. Shouldn't the CODE be updated as currently is based on just bumping.
As mentioned CODE states its a living breathing thing But are you actually bending the rules of EULA. As noted below
Red Pen. On my desk there is a sheet of paper. In my desk there is a drawer. Inside this drawer is a Red Pen. If a miner commits an egregious offense or series of offenses, his name will be written on the paper with the Red Pen. If your name is written in Red Pen, the cost of an indulgence will be trebled and you will be at increased risk of bumping.
Wouldn't this be classed as a breach as your not really just bumping and actually just perma ganking?.
To understand your ethics more it would be interesting to have a much rebuilt code with your true updated ethics built in.
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