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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.06.17 10:20:00 -
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Rodolfeo Ambolios wrote:
I Know how to tile a windows i dont need know how to do it. I want see how activate a smartbom or another item fast manualy as which isboxter.
By clicking them one after the other. Its not hard.
Rodolfeo Ambolios wrote:If which isboxter you can do it more fast 1, 2 or more sec than another player that don-¦t use it, you have an advantage. If you can-¦t see that... perhaps the obtuse are you. Do the same more slow, is not do the same.
Third and final time;
How do you know this is Isboxing? They could have activated them minutes or hours before you arrived.
There is NOTHING here which is evidence of Isboxing. "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Rodolfeo Ambolios
De retiro un tiempo
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Posted - 2014.06.17 10:46:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Rodolfeo Ambolios wrote:
I Know how to tile a windows i dont need know how to do it. I want see how activate a smartbom or another item fast manualy as which isboxter.
By clicking them one after the other. Its not hard. Rodolfeo Ambolios wrote:If which isboxter you can do it more fast 1, 2 or more sec than another player that don-¦t use it, you have an advantage. If you can-¦t see that... perhaps the obtuse are you. Do the same more slow, is not do the same. Third and final time; How do you know this is Isboxing? They could have activated them minutes or hours before you arrived. There is NOTHING here which is evidence of Isboxing.
Yes, i can-¦t. I only think that he use. But i don-¦t need be Einstein for know that isboxter give an advantage in front the players that not use it.
I can report a player that i think use isboxter and CCP study if he use or not. Or CCP can implement an anti third party program.
Why? Because Isboxter broken the rules.
If can do THE SAME THING without isboxter why the people use it?
I can answer, because give an advantage.
But don-¦t worry, you win that. You can use isboxter and don-¦t be care, because isboxter = more accounts = more money. And money is the most important.
Is useless say more. This is a money theme.
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Jur Tissant
Hemah Industries
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Posted - 2014.06.17 10:49:00 -
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It's allowed because it brings in CCP oodles of PLEX revenue. |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2014.06.17 10:55:00 -
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Atalia Madeveda wrote:ISboxer is allowed because it just clones your keystrokes in real time. I hit D, and every eve client open on my machine responds to said keystroke.
And thus every other eve client open except for the input client is by definition botting, which is illegal. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.06.17 10:56:00 -
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Rodolfeo Ambolios wrote:
If can do THE SAME THING without isboxter why the people use it?
You still havent proved that it was used at all in this case "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.17 11:00:00 -
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Could we have researched like the 2351 other posts on this topic? ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
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Posted - 2014.06.17 11:03:00 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:Jessica Duranin wrote:Nariya Kentaya wrote: 1) because CCP says it is
2) because it doesnt violate any of thsoe things.
They never did. Yes it does. CCP doesn't care. They just want the money from those accounts. Show me how ISBoxer allows a character to " facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate ". try to open 10 Eve Online client windows and press the same button (let's say F1) in each of them faster that in few seconds....
Then try to think about "alpha strike" The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Mildew Wolf
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Posted - 2014.06.17 11:09:00 -
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Isboxing confers no advantage. People just use it for no reason
Ccp doesn't really care much about the additional money. They just want to make eve a good game |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1947
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Posted - 2014.06.17 11:10:00 -
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Disco in Rancer!
More at 11. Stay tuned. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.06.17 11:11:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Show me how ISBoxer allows a character to " facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate ". try to open 10 Eve Online client windows and press the same button (let's say F1) in each of them faster that in few seconds....
Then try to think about "alpha strike"[/quote] Still not at an accelerated rate compared to if 10 people were doing it. You're using the wrong point of comparison. It's character per character regardless of control method GÇö comparing it against a very inefficient control method just means you've picked a biased sample and that your results are worthless for comparative purposes.
Group 1: 10 characters all firing in the same server tick. Group 2: 10 characters all firing in the same server tick. Group 3: 8 characters firing in the same server tick, 2 lagging behind. Group 4: 8 characters firing in the same server tick, 2 lagging behind. Group 5: 8 characters firing in the same server tick, 2 lagging behind.
Please identify how these different groups were controlled and specify how and why any of them can be considered doing anything GÇ£at an accelerated rateGÇ¥.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
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Rodolfeo Ambolios
De retiro un tiempo
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Posted - 2014.06.17 11:12:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Rodolfeo Ambolios wrote:
If can do THE SAME THING without isboxter why the people use it?
You still havent proved that it was used at all in this case
Yes, i can-¦t, i said in my last post.
And you, can not prove that can do THE SAME THING without isboxter.
And i probed that isboxter must be ban because give an advantage to the players that use it.
And all we know that Isboxter is allowed because give a lot of money to CCP.
This are the conclusions |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.06.17 11:16:00 -
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Rodolfeo Ambolios wrote:And i probed that isboxter must be ban because give an advantage to the players that use it. What advantage is that?
Quote:And all we know that Isboxter is allowed because give a lot of money to CCP. No we don't. Some people just assume that without a shred of proof (and in sharp contradiction the actually known fact that CCP bans botters without compulsion irrespective of the lost income). We know that they haven't disallowed ISBoxer because it does not inherently violate any of the rules CCP have set up GÇö the GMs and devs have explained how this works on multiple occasions. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Sykaotic
Minmatar Brotherhood
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Posted - 2014.06.17 11:17:00 -
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All the cool kids know.... Isbox is the way to go go go.
Kill all miners, dont need ore... it blows.
Kill the mission runners, Isboxer is so much... funner.
FW plex are empty, those farming were shown....
Anything but boxing is a downright bummer.
Seriously, as soon as all the changes take place regarding mining, mission running, FW, and further stagnation in null and now spreading everywhere we will probably all need to ISbox or go home. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5433
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Posted - 2014.06.17 11:18:00 -
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Rodolfeo Ambolios wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Rodolfeo Ambolios wrote:
If can do THE SAME THING without isboxter why the people use it?
You still havent proved that it was used at all in this case Yes, i can-¦t, i said in my last post. And you, can not prove that can do THE SAME THING without isboxter.
I told you how to do it
Its EXTREMELY easy
One more time
Go to gate with alts
Turn on Smart Bombs
Wait for victim to turn up
He dies
Scoop loot
Repeat
Why is that hard to understand? "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2014.06.17 11:24:00 -
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The only word on this that matters in any way is CCPs.
It's here:
CCP wrote:Some of the multiboxing software out there is powerful enough to count as GÇ£client modificationGÇ¥ if used for that purpose. Our stance on third-party software is that we do not endorse such software as we have no control over what it does. As such, we canGÇÖt say that multiboxing software isnGÇÖt against our EULA. But the same goes in this case, that unless we determine that people are doing things beyond GÇ£multiboxingGÇ¥, we will not be taking any action. We only care about the instances where people are messing with our process for the purposes of cheating, and running multiple clients at the same time is not in violation of our EULA in and of itself unless it involves trial accounts.
From this devblog:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/client-modification-the-eula-and-you/
So your only recourse if you feel strongly about it is to petition your loss and let CCP make a determination on each individual case. Be prepared to be disappointed about what you think the outcome should be. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.06.17 11:28:00 -
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Why don't you travel fit your ship? |
Rodolfeo Ambolios
De retiro un tiempo
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Posted - 2014.06.17 11:33:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Rodolfeo Ambolios wrote:And i probed that isboxter must be ban because give an advantage to the players that use it. What advantage is that? Quote:And all we know that Isboxter is allowed because give a lot of money to CCP. No we don't. Some people just assume that without a shred of proof (and in sharp contradiction the actually known fact that CCP bans botters without compulsion irrespective of the lost income). We know that they haven't disallowed ISBoxer because it does not inherently violate any of the rules CCP have set up GÇö the GMs and devs have explained how this works on multiple occasions.
I have 10 accounts, and i want to go to a pvp. How can better , using any third-party software (isboxer) that facilitate acquisition of items (drop in pvp), currency (LP-¦s), objects (drop pvp), character attributes (all chars Synchronized at the sec), rank or status (in missi+¦n FW) at an accelerated (obviously) rate when compared with ordinary Game play.
If Isboxer don-¦t give an advantage, why the people use it? |
Rodolfeo Ambolios
De retiro un tiempo
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Posted - 2014.06.17 11:37:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Rodolfeo Ambolios wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Rodolfeo Ambolios wrote:
If can do THE SAME THING without isboxter why the people use it?
You still havent proved that it was used at all in this case Yes, i can-¦t, i said in my last post. And you, can not prove that can do THE SAME THING without isboxter. I told you how to do it Its EXTREMELY easy One more time Go to gate with alts Turn on Smart Bombs Wait for victim to turn up He dies Scoop loot Repeat Why is that hard to understand?
I said again.... I only think that this guy use ISboster. But as you say, i can-¦t probed it.
But i think, that ISBoxter must be ban.
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Mithandra
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
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Posted - 2014.06.17 11:38:00 -
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So you got mullered by an ISBOXER
I really don't see the difference between your death at the hands of one person in charge of 20 accounts, and your death at the hands of 20 individual well drilled players under an fc who knows what he or she is doing.
Why anyone would want, or be able to afford so many accounts is beyond me, but hey everyone pays to play in their own way.
I don't condone ISBOXING but I also don't condemn it, because its not my place to do so, it's CCP's.
You feel it is wrong so you have brought it to the forums, I applaud you for that.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.06.17 11:39:00 -
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Rodolfeo Ambolios wrote: I said again.... I only think that this guy use ISboster. But as you say, i can-¦t probed it. But i think, that ISBoxter must be ban.
And its your right to feel that way
But Im saying, even if it was, you would still have died
This type of attack does not need Isboxer to work. "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.06.17 11:43:00 -
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Rodolfeo Ambolios wrote:I have 10 accounts, and i want to go to a pvp. How can better , using any third-party software (isboxer) that facilitate acquisition of items (drop in pvp), currency (LP-¦s), objects (drop pvp), character attributes (all chars Synchronized at the sec), rank or status (in missi+¦n FW) at an accelerated (obviously) rate when compared with ordinary Game play. It's not at an accelerated rate. 10 people doing the same thing will earn the same amount of items, currency, objects, rank or status at the same rate because the software does not affect any of those. I won't even list attributes since they are completely decoupled from activity.
Quote:If Isboxer don-¦t give an advantage, why the people use it? It gives an advantage over hideously inefficient control methods, but they're not a relevant point of comparison for determining whether it breaks the EULA or not.
If I build a lego bot that clicks keyboard keys from three rooms away using very slow pneumatics, my input will be a lot more inefficient and I will earn stuff at a lower rate than someone who is at the keyboard. Using your logic, this means that the person at the keyboard is breaking the EULA, when it is actually far more likely that the lego-bot that does.
Quote:But i think, that ISBoxter must be ban. You think wrong. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Rodolfeo Ambolios
De retiro un tiempo
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Posted - 2014.06.17 11:48:00 -
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Mithandra wrote:So you got mullered by an ISBOXER
I really don't see the difference between your death at the hands of one person in charge of 20 accounts, and your death at the hands of 20 individual well drilled players under an fc who knows what he or she is doing.
Why anyone would want, or be able to afford so many accounts is beyond me, but hey everyone pays to play in their own way.
I don't condone ISBOXING but I also don't condemn it, because its not my place to do so, it's CCP's.
You feel it is wrong so you have brought it to the forums, I applaud you for that.
Is different for me because is more dificult organize 20 guys for pvp, that only a guy using a third party program, use 20 accounts for do this, and more efficient that 20 guys.
In 20 guys group can not focus, take a wrong target, don-¦t jump... any disconect.... etc, etc, etc. But in a ISBoxter player the error is very low.
And allways the same question.... if is the same, why the people use it? |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5436
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Posted - 2014.06.17 11:55:00 -
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Rodolfeo Ambolios wrote: And allways the same question.... if is the same, why the people use it?
If its so much of an advantage, why aren't we all using it? "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.06.17 11:56:00 -
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Rodolfeo Ambolios wrote:Is different for me because is more dificult organize 20 guys for pvp, that only a guy using a third party program, use 20 accounts for do this, and more efficient that 20 guys. Actually, it's not. 20 guys can control their ships individually to exactly match their individual circumstances, and use layered approaches that deal properly with all eventualities without waste. 20 replicated accounts can't do that, or the replication breaks down.
If the target is out of range or manoeuvring aggressively against one of those 20 guys, that one guy can adjust and get back onto the proper performance envelope. If the target does the same thing against 20 isboxed clients, either they can't adjust (making at least one of them inefficient) or they all have to adjust (making 19 of them inefficient).
Quote:And allways the same question.... if is the same, why the people use it? This has already been answered. Repeating the question won't magically change the answer.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1947
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Posted - 2014.06.17 11:58:00 -
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Rodolfeo Ambolios wrote:And always the same question.... if is the same, why the people use it?
Because if I can afford 20 accounts and hardware to run them all simultaneously with decent settings I won't cry over additional 50 bucks/year for InnerSpace subscription to minimize clickfest. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Barzai Mekhar
True Confusion
127
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Posted - 2014.06.17 12:00:00 -
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Rodolfeo Ambolios wrote: Is different for me because is more dificult organize 20 guys for pvp, that only a guy using a third party program, use 20 accounts for do this, and more efficient that 20 guys.
In 20 guys group can not focus, take a wrong target, don-¦t jump... any disconect.... etc, etc, etc. But in a ISBoxter player the error is very low.
So, your argument is that tools giving the same order to a number of accounts should be banned because on average real players would be to stupid to follow those same orders if given via voicecom or another suitable broadcasting tool?
Rodolfeo Ambolios wrote: And allways the same question.... if is the same, why the people use it?
It's more convenient while offering similar efficiency. The EULA prohibits artificially increased efficiency, not artificially increased convenience; otherwise having a 2nd screen could be considered to be in violation of the EULA. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.06.17 12:06:00 -
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Rodolfeo Ambolios wrote:Why this is allowed? If applied to this thread, I can assure you it isn't.
Thread locked.
The rules: 16. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.
As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread.
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