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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.17 22:45:00 -
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Sowek Kazakov wrote:...Not. My 1v1 stats prove it....
MUH STATS ew 1v1s perve
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Iudicium Vastus
Incognito Holdings and Savings
286
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Posted - 2014.06.17 23:16:00 -
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Subsparx wrote:I'd have to heavily disagree with this. It's a slippery slope to people going suspect for locking or going to orbital strike areas and ihubs. If you don't want to fight pirates and lose sec status, align out when something shows up on the gate and leave when they come in. Otherwise, shoot first ask questions later and take the sec hit, or pay for tags like the pirates do. We're in FW, running around in high-sec isn't even that important, in fact I'd say you benefit from living in low-sec and avoiding high. I haven't gone to high-sec in over a couple months with this character. Tags are cheap compared to the LP we earn.
You shouldn't ever go suspect simply for going somewhere, the beacons are advertised on the overview and anyone should be able to go to them. By this same logic you should go suspect for entering an occupied mission plex, or a DED site. You shouldn't go suspect until you shoot at somebody you aren't at war with period in my opinion.
Mission plex and DEDs however have something of value that a neutral can take and argue for. Whether it's the loot in the MTU in a big mission site, or the large volume of salvage, or in DED site the end rat can be blitzed and deadspace loot taken, etc. In a FW plex however, there is nothing of value to a non-FW member. Are they going in for the non-bounty rat? Are they desperate for the handful of frig or dessie wrecks to salvage?
It is an Official Empire Militarized zone. There's nothing to be arguably gained to a neutral in a FW Plex. Civilians do not belong in militarized zones. Nerf stabs/cloaks in FW? No, just.. -Fit more points -Fit faction points -Bring a friend or two with points (an alt is fine too) |
Maekchu
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
27
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Posted - 2014.06.17 23:19:00 -
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Since you want to make it harder for these so called "pirates". Can CCP also make it easier for us real pirates?
Sure, I'll take your suspect timer. But in return CCP needs to make it easier to find fights in plexes for aggressors. The defender just have too many benefits, the biggest one being, always to be able to decide whether or not to take the engagement.
As if it's not hard enough already, being a pirate without a hotdrop on the batphone or gate camping all day. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
3027
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Posted - 2014.06.17 23:23:00 -
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Iudicium Vastus wrote:
It is an Official Empire Militarized zone. There's nothing to be arguably gained to a neutral in a FW Plex. Civilians do not belong in militarized zones.
That's nice.
OP wants to farm free kills with no sec status loss.
OP is more despicable of a pirate than a -10 outlaw. We at least take our hit for shooting neutrals and live with it, unlike OP who wants to be exempt from the sec status system. "i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3421
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Posted - 2014.06.17 23:27:00 -
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Rowells wrote:don't shoot first?
Sowek Kazakov wrote:don't shoot first? Are you kidding? Most of the fights in plex are about who catch who first. If he's MWD and im AB, i need to scram him first. Otherwise, I'm dead. then shoot first. and lose sec status. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3421
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Posted - 2014.06.17 23:32:00 -
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Sowek Kazakov wrote:Losing security status makes me be almost unable to fly to high-sec. Biggest market for FW is at Ichorya, which is high sec. I'm pretty annoyed by station-camps there. if it's so inconvenient having such a poor reputation, perhaps you shouldn't launch unprovoked attacks upon poor unsuspecting neutral parties inside factional warfare plexes, you nasty pirate |
Iudicium Vastus
Incognito Holdings and Savings
286
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Posted - 2014.06.17 23:42:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Iudicium Vastus wrote:
It is an Official Empire Militarized zone. There's nothing to be arguably gained to a neutral in a FW Plex. Civilians do not belong in militarized zones.
That's nice. OP wants to farm free kills with no sec status loss. OP is more despicable of a pirate than a -10 outlaw. We at least take our hit for shooting neutrals and live with it, unlike OP who wants to be exempt from the sec status system.
What I'd like to see is an argument for a neutral in a militarized zone. Can't be the bounty. Sure aren't any officer spawns in there either.
Or do pirate types just want to keep the current upper hand of freely being able to scram & fire first? So what is it? Do tell =) Nerf stabs/cloaks in FW? No, just.. -Fit more points -Fit faction points -Bring a friend or two with points (an alt is fine too) |
ElQuirko
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
3322
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Posted - 2014.06.17 23:44:00 -
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KnowUsByTheDead wrote:ElQuirko wrote:Sowek Kazakov wrote: I do it often and even more often i win. You can tell this is bullshite because: A) You've made a whiny rant thread B) It's impossible to win more often than you fight Top lel. Welcome back ElQuirko. It's good to be back. I've been settling into old habits already. Dodixie > Hek |
Simyaldee
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology
89
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Posted - 2014.06.17 23:55:00 -
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I am going to take the time to try and defend my corp mate here, so take my Bias and my view with a grain of salt.
I wholly support the development of the feature where entrance into a plex gives people an automatic suspect timer, or some other feature that ensures no sec status is damaged by people inside.
Couple things here that people seem to misunderstand.
"Why do you care about losing Sec Status"
Losing sec status is annoying for everyone, infinitely moreso for the casual/new player. They don't have/can't afford a neutral freighter alt to move their ships. They don't want to spend a couple hundred million ISK for tags everytime they hit -5, and they don't want to spend 10 hours or more, roaming through Null, or 50% longer roaming through Low, looking for BS rats to kill.
There is a significant amount of annoyance for Low Security Status, which increases to a decent inconvenience for casual/newer players.
"Your a scrub, if your whining on the forums" http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=1680650 147 kills this month, over 65% isk efficiency, the majority of them solo. He actually solo PvP's and hes pretty decent at it. Not the best, but decent. Please, if your gonna call other people bad at EVE at least be good at EVE yourself.
Don't know if you were posting with your main, but http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_ext_id=1770044067. Yea.
"Don't Aggress First" The amount of disadvantage you put yourself at by holding aggression, when you don't have to, can be the difference between winning and losing. There are a couple situations that I can think of off the top of my head where you basically consign yourself to death by holding your aggression. You need to aggress everyone, equally, as quickly as possible, otherwise you are halving the amount of people you can fight effectively.
"Its not your Plex" What?
"About the actual Idea" Sowek is not the first to raise this Idea. Many people have reiterated this over time. A few EVE personalities and bloggers have expressed their support for the Idea. I can't remember if the FW Rep FunkyBacon has supported, but I think he might have.
FW Plexes are meant to be beacons for PvP. I can make a fairly correct assumption that a large majority of actual Solo PvP in EVE takes place in these plexes.
Lowering the amount of ISK and Time it takes to solo PvP can only be a good thing. I haven't seen a single reasonable argument from anyone who has replied which gives anywhere near a decent argument to why this would be a bad idea, other then "Generic bittervet spurge" by all the forum trolls.
P.S Welcome to the Forums Sowek. Overrun by stupid forum trolls who can'
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3421
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Posted - 2014.06.17 23:59:00 -
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Iudicium Vastus wrote:What I'd like to see is an argument for a neutral in a militarized zone. it's lowsec, actually. and they probably flew there.
Iudicium Vastus wrote:Or do pirate types just want to keep the current upper hand of freely being able to scram & fire first? anyone can choose to fire first. however, anyone who fires at an illegal target will suffer a security status penalty. this applies to everyone, so it's quite fair! |
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3421
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Posted - 2014.06.18 00:05:00 -
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Simyaldee wrote:I haven't seen a single reasonable argument from anyone who has replied which gives anywhere near a decent argument to why this would be a bad idea, other then "Generic bittervet spurge" by all the forum trolls. it's actually on the op to provide an argument as to why it's a good idea. currently, neither party is at any mechanical advantage. you're not losing sec for fighting back, you're losing sec for starting a fight. "i don't like being inconvenienced by a sec drop" is not a good reason.
if you or anyone else doesn't want to shoot first or lose security status, there's always the option of leaving. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
1687
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Posted - 2014.06.18 00:07:00 -
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I thought OP was handing out free PLEX for anyone who gets a suspect timer. Drats. .. when everything else is gone .. |
Simyaldee
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology
89
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Posted - 2014.06.18 00:09:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Iudicium Vastus wrote:
It is an Official Empire Militarized zone. There's nothing to be arguably gained to a neutral in a FW Plex. Civilians do not belong in militarized zones.
That's nice. OP wants to farm free kills with no sec status loss. OP is more despicable of a pirate than a -10 outlaw. We at least take our hit for shooting neutrals and live with it, unlike OP who wants to be exempt from the sec status system.
What? Neutrals who aren't necessarily -5 are not "free kills". They can kill you just as easily as any Wartarget or Pirate. By warping into a Plex you are effectively declaring yourself interested in PvP. Either by being a Miltia member and open to PvP everywhere, or by being a neutral, having your only interest in the Plex being in PvP.
The OP wants to normalize a silly mechanic. People warping into a plex is nearly the exact same thing as accepting a dual, there is literally NO reason for a neutral to be in a plex other than PvP.
And "Because I had to deal with this bad mechanic" Is not an argument. Being against change, simply because its change, is not an argument. Your simply being a bittervet A-hole. Member, Fighter and FC for The Great Harmon Institute of Technology-á
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18906
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Posted - 2014.06.18 00:13:00 -
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Simyaldee wrote:"Its not your Plex" What? I presume you're referring to Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Sowek Kazakov wrote:who jump to my plex, and want to kill me. It's not your plex, it never was. I've highlighted the relevant part of your corpmates post that I replied to.
It's not his plex, the same as a mission space isn't the mission runners. That would be instancing, which is something that doesn't exist in Eve, and hopefully never will.
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Simyaldee
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology
89
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Posted - 2014.06.18 00:18:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Simyaldee wrote:I haven't seen a single reasonable argument from anyone who has replied which gives anywhere near a decent argument to why this would be a bad idea, other then "Generic bittervet spurge" by all the forum trolls. it's actually on the op to provide an argument as to why it's a good idea. currently, neither party is at any mechanical advantage. you're not losing sec for fighting back, you're losing sec for starting a fight. "i don't like being inconvenienced by a sec drop" is not a good reason. if you or anyone else doesn't want to shoot first or lose security status, there's always the option of leaving.
The argument that I think was implied, and which I implied myself, is that by entering your plex you are declaring your interest for PvP. A neutral doesn't simply show up in a FW plex randomly, they come their looking for fights. Punishing somebody by either giving them a sec status hit, or hurting their ability to win the fight which will inevitably happen.
Reiterating the initial point, the fight is started when the Neut warps in, as the only conceivable reason he would warp in is to PvP. So you are effectively Member, Fighter and FC for The Great Harmon Institute of Technology-á
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Simyaldee
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology
89
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Posted - 2014.06.18 00:27:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Simyaldee wrote:"Its not your Plex" What? I presume you're referring to Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Sowek Kazakov wrote:who jump to my plex, and want to kill me. It's not your plex, it never was. I've highlighted the relevant part of your corpmates post that I replied to. It's not his plex, the same as a mission space isn't the mission runners. That would be instancing, which is something that doesn't exist in Eve, and hopefully never will.
Just because he does not necessarily "own" the plex himself isn't the point of the argument. Technically speaking, CCP owns everything in EVE, not the players themselves. You pay to use and change their internet pixels.
By saying "Mine" he means that he is currently the only one in the plex, not that he is entitled to hold it. Which is not the point of his post.
Neutrals warp into the plex, because they are undoubtedly looking to kill the OP. It is essentially the same thing as entering into a duel. He is then punished for this mutually agreed PvP by losing sec status for engaging someone, that person also loses sec status for engaging him, if he is neutral. A lot of people think this is screwy. Member, Fighter and FC for The Great Harmon Institute of Technology-á
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3421
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Posted - 2014.06.18 00:33:00 -
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Simyaldee wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:Simyaldee wrote:I haven't seen a single reasonable argument from anyone who has replied which gives anywhere near a decent argument to why this would be a bad idea, other then "Generic bittervet spurge" by all the forum trolls. it's actually on the op to provide an argument as to why it's a good idea. currently, neither party is at any mechanical advantage. you're not losing sec for fighting back, you're losing sec for starting a fight. "i don't like being inconvenienced by a sec drop" is not a good reason. if you or anyone else doesn't want to shoot first or lose security status, there's always the option of leaving. The argument that I think was implied, and which I implied myself, is that by entering your plex you are declaring your interest for PvP. A neutral doesn't simply show up in a FW plex randomly, they come their looking for fights. Punishing somebody by either giving them a sec status hit, or hurting their ability to win the fight which will inevitably happen. Reiterating the initial point, the fight is started when the Neut warps in, as the only conceivable reason he would warp in is to PvP. So you are effectively no. the fight is started when the first shot is fired, when someone commits a suspect or criminal act, or when a duel invite is accepted. the intention to pvp is declared when the first shot is fired, when someone commits a suspect or criminal act, or when a duel invite is accepted. crimewatch does not account for intention, it reacts to action.
it is plausible, however unlikely, that someone may enter a complex not looking to shoot or be shot at. you have to make the same choice as everyone else in lowsec space (hell, new eden) makes upon seeing another player. shoot first or do not. |
CompleteFailure
Polaris Rising The Bastion
157
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Posted - 2014.06.18 00:52:00 -
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Sowek Kazakov wrote:don't shoot first? Are you kidding? Most of the fights in plex are about who catch who first. If he's MWD and im AB, i need to scram him first. Otherwise, I'm dead.
Or, you know...fly something that doesn't force you to act first. You're asking for a mechanics change because you don't want to adapt, not because the mechanics are bad. |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
306
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Posted - 2014.06.18 00:53:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Simyaldee wrote: The argument that I think was implied, and which I implied myself, is that by entering your plex you are declaring your interest for PvP. A neutral doesn't simply show up in a FW plex randomly, they come their looking for fights. Punishing somebody by either giving them a sec status hit, or hurting their ability to win the fight which will inevitably happen.
Reiterating the initial point, the fight is started when the Neut warps in, as the only conceivable reason he would warp in is to PvP. So you are effectively
no. the fight is started when the first shot is fired, when someone commits a suspect or criminal act, or when a duel invite is accepted. the intention to pvp is declared when the first shot is fired, when someone commits a suspect or criminal act, or when a duel invite is accepted. crimewatch does not account for intention, it reacts to action. it is plausible, however unlikely, that someone may enter a complex not looking to shoot or be shot at. you have to make the same choice as everyone else in lowsec space (hell, new eden) makes upon seeing another player. shoot first or do not.
Thank you for your mind-numbingly literal interpretation of existing game mechanics. Please leave the rest of the discussion to people with higher reasoning skills.
As someone who does occasionally go marauding through Lowsec looking for fights, the idea that people need to pay sec status to shoot at me when I'm obviously there for a fight is a bit daft. Sure, there are workarounds, but "you can deal with it" is not a justification for a bad mechanic.
CompleteFailure wrote:Sowek Kazakov wrote:don't shoot first? Are you kidding? Most of the fights in plex are about who catch who first. If he's MWD and im AB, i need to scram him first. Otherwise, I'm dead. Or, you know...fly something that doesn't force you to act first. You're asking for a mechanics change because you don't want to adapt, not because the mechanics are bad.
Yeah dude, just exclusively fly ships that can just surrender the initiative in every fight. There are plenty of those, it's easy! |
CompleteFailure
Polaris Rising The Bastion
157
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Posted - 2014.06.18 01:08:00 -
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Voyager Arran wrote:CompleteFailure wrote:Sowek Kazakov wrote:don't shoot first? Are you kidding? Most of the fights in plex are about who catch who first. If he's MWD and im AB, i need to scram him first. Otherwise, I'm dead. Or, you know...fly something that doesn't force you to act first. You're asking for a mechanics change because you don't want to adapt, not because the mechanics are bad. Yeah dude, just exclusively fly ships that can just surrender the initiative in every fight. There are plenty of those, it's easy!
How is flying something that allows you to catch an aggressor and forcing them to aggress first surrendering the initiative? If his sec status is so important to him, he should be the one to figure out how not to lose it. Anyone warping into a plex looking for a fight is generally going to aggress first, just due to the reputation FW plex runners have for running at the first sign of trouble. Why not make the mechanics work in your favor? Take advantage of the situation, let them come in and aggress, make them take the sec hit instead of you taking it, and then go catch them and kill them. I don't see the point in pigeonholing yourself into an unfavorable situation just because you don't want to change how you do things, when there are so many other options out there. |
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3421
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Posted - 2014.06.18 01:11:00 -
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Voyager Arran wrote:As someone who does occasionally go marauding through Lowsec looking for fights, the idea that people need to pay sec status to shoot at me when I'm obviously there for a fight is a bit daft. Sure, there are workarounds, but "you can deal with it" is not a justification for a bad mechanic. you're not obviously there looking for fights. you're just there. noone can tell your intention, least of all the game. just as i cannot tell that the hurricane navy in an anom is not a cyno ship with a gang behind it.
Voyager Arran wrote:Thank you for your mind-numbingly literal interpretation of existing game mechanics. Please leave the rest of the discussion to people with higher reasoning skills.
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
234
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Posted - 2014.06.18 01:18:00 -
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CompleteFailure wrote:Voyager Arran wrote:CompleteFailure wrote:Sowek Kazakov wrote:don't shoot first? Are you kidding? Most of the fights in plex are about who catch who first. If he's MWD and im AB, i need to scram him first. Otherwise, I'm dead. Or, you know...fly something that doesn't force you to act first. You're asking for a mechanics change because you don't want to adapt, not because the mechanics are bad. Yeah dude, just exclusively fly ships that can just surrender the initiative in every fight. There are plenty of those, it's easy! How is flying something that allows you to catch an aggressor and forcing them to aggress first surrendering the initiative? If his sec status is so important to him, he should be the one to figure out how not to lose it. Anyone warping into a plex looking for a fight is generally going to aggress first, just due to the reputation FW plex runners have for running at the first sign of trouble. Why not make the mechanics work in your favor? Take advantage of the situation, let them come in and aggress, make them take the sec hit instead of you taking it, and then go catch them and kill them. I don't see the point in pigeonholing yourself into an unfavorable situation just because you don't want to change how you do things, when there are so many other options out there. Because a pure AB fit merlin will surely win against that kiting condor if he let's him cycle him MWD and get into range oh his long point safe from that merlin's scram. Oh sure the merlin will surely be kited to death he can't even slingshot against a kiter that easily but hey he didn't get a sec hit at all but just lost his ship because he didn't aggress first but who cares as long as he doesn't get a sec hit! |
CompleteFailure
Polaris Rising The Bastion
157
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Posted - 2014.06.18 01:23:00 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote: Because a pure AB fit merlin will surely win against that kiting condor if he let's him cycle him MWD and get into range oh his long point safe from that merlin's scram. Oh sure the merlin will surely be kited to death he can't even slingshot against a kiter that easily but hey he didn't get a sec hit at all but just lost his ship because he didn't aggress first but who cares as long as he doesn't get a sec hit!
CompleteFailure wrote: Or, you know...fly something that doesn't force you to act first. You're asking for a mechanics change because you don't want to adapt, not because the mechanics are bad.
Did you even read what you quoted? How about not flying an AB fit Merlin if it forces you to act first and take the sec hit? |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
3028
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Posted - 2014.06.18 02:22:00 -
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Simyaldee wrote: The OP wants to normalize a silly mechanic.
OP wants to shoot neutrals without sec status penalty. That's hardly normalized.
Quote:Your simply being a bittervet A-hole.
And you're being naive. "i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
3028
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Posted - 2014.06.18 02:25:00 -
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Voyager Arran wrote: As someone who does occasionally go marauding through Lowsec looking for fights, the idea that people need to pay sec status to shoot at me when I'm obviously there for a fight is a bit daft.
If you were actually there for a fight, you'd make it plenty obvious by firing first, and they would have no sec status loss to worry about. "i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh |
Baron' Soontir Fel
Justified Chaos
170
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Posted - 2014.06.18 02:43:00 -
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The amount of non-FW/people who fight in plexes are way too high in this thread. |
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
3028
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Posted - 2014.06.18 02:52:00 -
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Baron' Soontir Fel wrote:The amount of non-FW/people who fight in plexes are way too high in this thread.
The amount of FW 'PvP' players who want to be able to hide in plexes is way too high in this thread. "i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh |
Douglas Nolm
Minmatar Secret Service Ushra'Khan
84
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Posted - 2014.06.18 06:22:00 -
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I really don't give a damn about my sec status, I just raise it with tags when I can no longer go into hubs without the station camps attacking me, however, I can understand and sympathise with the OP.
The issue, that many people don't seem to be grasping, is simple. There is NOTHING in an FW plex for someone who isn't part of one of the militias. THE ONLY REASON FOR A NON FW PILOT TO ENTER THESE PLEXES IS TO FIGHT SOMEONE ALREADY THERE, OR ACT AS BAIT TO GET SOMEONE TO COME IN TO FIGHT.
As such, there should be no issue with neutrals that enter FW plexes being suspect flagged. Why should a loyal militia pilot be taking sec hits to defend his empire's complexes, or to attack his enemy's ones?
If these neutrals are really pirates, they won't care about the suspect flag (which the FW PILOT gets too if he attacks first, which is always the best way in a Plex) and the loyal pilot doesn't get problems replenishing his losses in trade hubs, especially trade hubs in spa e controlled by the empire he is fighting for.
The OP is not asking for immunity from sec status loss for attacking neutrals anywhere else, he isn't asking for instances, or even arenas. I'd even be happy if everyone entering a Plex got suspect, after all, the only reason to be there is to fight, unless you're a stabby farmer. For those that have said "use an alt" why the hell should anyone be forced to use an alt? And before someone counters with "why should someone be forced to be suspect?" They're there planning to attack a loyal militia pilot who is doing his duty. There's no difference between that and ganking miners or freighters.
TL,DR the OP is just asking that he can defend his empire's space without that leading to him eventually having to have an alt to relace all his losses from trade hubs. He isn't trying to avoid PvP, or hide in plexes, and I see no problem with his suggestion. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1882
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Posted - 2014.06.18 06:31:00 -
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Douglas Nolm wrote:The issue, that many people don't seem to be grasping, is simple. There is NOTHING in an FW plex for someone who isn't part of one of the militias. THE ONLY REASON FOR A NON FW PILOT TO ENTER THESE PLEXES IS TO FIGHT SOMEONE ALREADY THERE, OR ACT AS BAIT TO GET SOMEONE TO COME IN TO FIGHT.
Wrong on the first part as explained by the second part.
The exact reason why I enter plexes as a neutral is because they are great places to find pvp opportunities, both against other neutrals and against militia.
Quote:As such, there should be no issue with neutrals that enter FW plexes being suspect flagged. Why should a loyal militia pilot be taking sec hits to defend his empire's complexes, or to attack his enemy's ones?
Loyal militia? Come off it. No one is fighting for the empires. They are in FW for the pvp or for LP.
The crime watch mechanics are the same for everyone and the solution wouldn't solve his issue.
There are 2 easy ways around it:
1. don't enter a plex and engage opponents on the outside; and
2. enter plex, move 31km away and cloak until the suspect timer expires. Reapproach the button and engage anyone that enters.
Just giving everyone a suspect timer would solve nothing.
FW is not exclusively for militia. Like all space, it's fair pvp space for everyone. The FW systems just allow militia members to gain access to additional PvE and to non sec status affecting pvp against other militia.
I wouldn't personally care one bit if I was flagged for entering a plex, but choices and consequences should exist for everyone.
If a FW pilot choses to engage another player that is not a wartarget, they should be subject to the same crime watch mechanics as everyone else. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
3028
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Posted - 2014.06.18 07:23:00 -
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Douglas Nolm wrote: Why should a loyal militia pilot be taking sec hits to defend his empire's complexes, or to attack his enemy's ones?
He won't. A neutral can by definition do nothing to capture that plex. So a militia member can never be defending a plex from a neutral. "i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh |
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