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Viper Kiss
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.18 14:52:00 -
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Hi everyone,
I been a low-sec pvper for nearly 3 years now. I never understood why link ships, such as: Loki, Tengu, Proteus can actually be used in low sec. It's a place where small gang warfare is meant to happen. I feel that command ships really ruin the fun.
The problem is, I see more and more players exploiting this. They won't go anywhere without bringing their link alt with them. As you might not know, this makes a simple t1 frigate become a true monster.
Furthermore, there are some systems in low-sec that everyone and their dog is linked up. It's just crazy!
Don't get me wrong, I understand their used in null-sec. Where people fly bigger ships and in larger numbers. But in low-sec where many times it's 1v1 or small gangs fighting each other, it just doesn't make sense. |
Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2014.06.18 15:07:00 -
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I know this will blow your mind but you can actually use link ships in highsec as well. Mashie Saldana Dominique Vasilkovsky
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Viper Kiss
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.18 15:09:00 -
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I know that but I don't fly in high-sec and sure when I mean low-sec, I also think they shouldn't be used there. Else, it wouldn't make sense. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.06.18 15:09:00 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote:I know this will blow your mind but you can actually use link ships in highsec as well. Not to mention that the ships used as examples have a multitude of other uses too.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.06.18 15:10:00 -
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Because there is nothing special about lowsec (or about link ships) that would provide any kind of reason to not have them there. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Viper Kiss
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.18 15:11:00 -
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Sure they have, just like a bomber ship can use torpedos and not only bombs. |
Lord Fudo
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.18 15:12:00 -
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I remember ccp planning a year or two ago to make links have to be on grid. What ever happened to that? Links should have to be on grid. |
Carmen Electra
Drunk Chaos Blood.Drunk
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Posted - 2014.06.18 15:13:00 -
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Posting in a stealth nerf links...
oh wait...
nvm |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.06.18 15:14:00 -
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Viper Kiss wrote:Sure they have, just like a bomber ship can use torpedos and not only bombs. Because bombers have links? Yeah, no.
And bringing up the GÇ£e-wordGÇ¥ just makes it even more silly. Using ships precisely for their intended purpose is not a matter of exploitation. People using those ships for those intended purposes is a pretty nonsensical rationale for reducing their effects. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Viper Kiss
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.18 15:17:00 -
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Lord Fudo if they did that, it would actually be great. It would require the link ship to take some risk. Instead of being glued to a gate and ready to jump as soon as anything comes in.
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Viper Kiss
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.18 15:19:00 -
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Well that was just a comparison. What I am saying is all ships have multiple uses.
Now there is something wrong. When a dude trains an alt and then goes around with his main character linked up to the teeth beating the living heck out of everyone. Probably, you don't agree with me because you do that. But I personally, don't feel like you need to train alt for that purpose just so you can decently fight someone. |
Grunanca
Doughboys Overload Everything
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Posted - 2014.06.18 15:21:00 -
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Viper Kiss wrote:Hi everyone,
I been a low-sec pvper for nearly 3 years now. I never understood why link ships, such as: Loki, Tengu, Proteus can actually be used in low sec. It's a place where small gang warfare is meant to happen. I feel that command ships really ruin the fun.
The problem is, I see more and more players exploiting this. They won't go anywhere without bringing their link alt with them. As you might not know, this makes a simple t1 frigate become a true monster.
Furthermore, there are some systems in low-sec that everyone and their dog is linked up. It's just crazy!
Don't get me wrong, I understand their uses in null-sec. Where people fly bigger ships and in larger numbers. But in low-sec where many times it's 1v1 or small gangs fighting each other, it just doesn't make sense. It makes any guy without much effort or knowledge about pvp become overpower.
I feel that CCP should take a look at this. I suggest one, their effects are greatly reduced in low-sec. Or two, their effects don't work in low-sec just like bombs.
How you play in low sec doesnt define what it is supposed to be... I have lived in low sec for the last 7 years and I have had my fair share of 50 v 50 battleship brawls and even some 100+ vs 100+ battles. The only thing that is wron with links is that they boost off grid. But the simple counter to that is to bring a prober. A link ship can be destroyed by something as simple as a destroyer. And links wont work if he is cloaked or in warp from you. If you want 1 v1 , go to high sec and can swap... |
Viper Kiss
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.18 15:24:00 -
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I agree with you about being on grid. That's exactly the change they should make.
As it is, it's not that simple. People usually glue their link ship near a station ready to dock up as soon as something bad comes. Or, near a gate ready to jump. |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2354
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Posted - 2014.06.18 15:27:00 -
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Viper Kiss.....
hhhhmmm......
You do know you could look much better, do you? :p The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
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Dominique Vasilkovsky
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2014.06.18 15:28:00 -
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Lord Fudo wrote:I remember ccp planning a year or two ago to make links have to be on grid. What ever happened to that? Links should have to be on grid. CCP will implement it the moment they have figured out how to do it. Seems to be a lot harder to do than they thought. From Russia with love. |
Viper Kiss
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.18 15:28:00 -
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Yeah give me some isk and i'll put some botox on my lips and fake boobies. Now please stay on topic. |
Cazador 64
1st Steps Academy Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.06.18 15:29:00 -
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I agree 100% and while we are at it can we have quest givers with question marks who give us sp for killing 15 bunnies? I also would like a /dance emote that would be super sweet.
I also would like to see only consensual pvp and when you die you only just faint and you respawn from the station you last logged out in with all your stuff. And if we get in trouble in a mission we can yell guard in local and Concord will come kill your rats.
Next patch needs a new panda race also they were hiding in jove space. They also need to have mounts for our ships like a giant dragon or something. Scamming should be bannable.
Ban isboxer users and due away with gankers. You should not even be able to target haulers and indy ships. And we need to rename the game to world of evecraft. |
Carmen Electra
Drunk Chaos Blood.Drunk
527
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Posted - 2014.06.18 15:32:00 -
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Bring your own links? |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.18 15:38:00 -
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Viper Kiss wrote:Yeah give me some isk and i'll put some botox on my lips and fake boobies. Now please stay on topic. You can change most of your look for free, but one can't buy good taste.
Have fun with your probably soontobelocked redundant thread. :) The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
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Lord Fudo
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.18 15:42:00 -
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Odessey was when they wanted to. Found an article that said they had seious technical hurdles to make it happen. I hope they do fix it soon though. |
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Tyrendian Biohazard
Ubiquitous Hurt Exodus.
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Posted - 2014.06.18 15:45:00 -
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Viper Kiss wrote:It's a place where small gang warfare is meant to happen.
No. It is a place where small gang warfare tends to happen. If there were to be restrictions on the type of warfare, then we'd see FW complexes only allowing two ships in at a time. Or not being able to have more than 3 people in a fleet while in lowsec. Larger scale stuff happens too. I saw a ~40 man militia fleet drop carriers the other day in a fight with a random, public roaming fleet. I'm assuming that means carriers should be banned from low as well?
Viper Kiss wrote:The problem is, I see more and more players exploiting this.
So using ships for their intended purpose is an exploit? I guess that means that the Mordu ships shouldn't fit points because they have bonuses and kite crazily. Or Caracals should stop using missiles since that is their intended weapon system and RLML is great at taking out frigates. IT IS TOTALLY UNFAIR!
Don't have a WoW-like mentatlity of banning things because they are overpowered towards one thing in particular. Tactics, tactics, tactics. You don't want to fight someone that is running links in system? Then find their links and shut them down. Especially the T3 ones, as it seems people to not like to fit a tank to them. A couple hundred million isk KM would make me smile knowing that he has to replace all of that instead of the 30m faction frigate.
I believe Fozzie mentioned a while ago about wanting to do Dessie Command Ships. Now THAT I would like to see. My twitch stream to help new players: http://www.twitch.tv/biohazrd51
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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
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Posted - 2014.06.18 15:45:00 -
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so why not just probe out the link ship and oh idk.. blow it up? 10 years of eve... yea i'm an addict |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.06.18 15:46:00 -
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Viper Kiss wrote: I been a low-sec pvper for nearly 3 years now. I never understood why link ships, such as: Loki, Tengu, Proteus can actually be used in low sec. It's a place where small gang warfare is meant to happen. I feel that command ships really ruin the fun. .
Complains about command ships, lists only strategic cruisers.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
CompleteFailure
Polaris Rising The Bastion
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Posted - 2014.06.18 15:53:00 -
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Viper Kiss wrote: I agree with you about being on grid. That's exactly the change they should make.
Then why did you propose a completely different (and absolutely terrible) idea? |
Viper Kiss
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.18 16:08:00 -
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Well, didn't think about that one. Not that you said or contributed anything great yourself.
Also, if something can be use it doesn't mean it's not being exploited and overpower. At the moment link ship are and you can easily see that by the huge amount of people that are using them. They were also previously nerf for a reason.
Just like when rifter was the best ship around everyone used it. Still many said, "No, overpower! You're crazy!" Also, they were using it for its main purpose. But now I ask you, isn't it more fun as it is now? Yes, it is! (oh this last part was just comparison for the ones who don't understand that.) |
Bal'Ayle
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.18 16:16:00 -
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Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote:Lord Fudo wrote:I remember ccp planning a year or two ago to make links have to be on grid. What ever happened to that? Links should have to be on grid. CCP will implement it the moment they have figured out how to do it. Seems to be a lot harder to do than they thought.
I don't use links so this doesn't directly effect me, but it does seem a trifle odd that links are system wide boosters and flies in the face of risk vs reward.
I would perhaps suggest this to CCP.
Make link modules Aoe like interdiction spheres, fleeted ships in the sphere of influence are boosted
Or alternatively make link modules auto target like mid slot passive auto targeting mods except they automatically target fleet ships and apply their effects to them when in range? - maybe re-cycle the energy vamp effect in a blue electronics hue with a higher brightness to warn people off that the ships are being boosted? |
Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
1098
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Posted - 2014.06.18 16:22:00 -
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Bal'Ayle wrote:Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote:Lord Fudo wrote:I remember ccp planning a year or two ago to make links have to be on grid. What ever happened to that? Links should have to be on grid. CCP will implement it the moment they have figured out how to do it. Seems to be a lot harder to do than they thought. I don't use links so this doesn't directly effect me, but it does seem a trifle odd that links are system wide boosters and flies in the face of risk vs reward. I would perhaps suggest this to CCP. Make link modules Aoe like interdiction spheres, fleeted ships in the sphere of influence are boosted Or alternatively make link modules auto target like mid slot passive auto targeting mods except they automatically target fleet ships and apply their effects to them when in range? - maybe re-cycle the energy vamp effect in a blue electronics hue with a higher brightness to warn people off that the ships are being boosted? The graphics isn't the issue, the problem is that CCP can't figure out how to get it to work at all on a grid instead of system wide. Mashie Saldana Dominique Vasilkovsky
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Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
551
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Posted - 2014.06.18 16:22:00 -
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Viper Kiss wrote:Loki, Tengu, Proteus can actually be used in low sec. It's a place where small gang warfare is meant to happen.
Small gang only? Really? |
Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2356
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Posted - 2014.06.18 16:24:00 -
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I want to remind everybody that one of the devs said that links are involved in one of the biggest bottlenecks regarding performance (Jita) and thus got pushed up in priority.
Expect changes "soon". The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1894
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Posted - 2014.06.18 16:25:00 -
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Viper Kiss wrote:Also, if something can be use it doesn't mean it's not being exploited and overpower. At the moment link ship are and you can easily see that by the huge amount of people that are using them. They were also previously nerf for a reason.
Links are not currently OP.
You're lack of ability or commitment to use the game mechanics to their fullest, doesn't make the things you fail to use, OP.
We just went through a big whine thread about links. Did you even use the forum search before starting another redundant thread?
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