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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
564
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Posted - 2014.06.18 17:25:00 -
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As one of the greatest Sani Sabik philosophers of the modern era (Ask Cardinal Graelyn), people often turn to me for advice on theological matters.
One such frequently asked question is this: "Dear Archbishop Valerie, what is the difference between nonrighteousness and unrighteousness? sincerely, A Perplexed Person."
To which I of course answer: "Dear perplexed person, I am not an Archbishop."
I have many titles, such as Doctor Valate, on account of my unsurpassed research into Takmahl archaeology, but Archbishop is not one of them,
So. what is the difference between Unrighteousness and Nonrighteousness, you ask ?
Well, it is quite simple. The Nonrighteous person does not know that they are not behaving Righteously. The Unrighteous person does know that they are not behaving Righteously.
For it is Written: To know the true path, but never to follow it, that is the greatest sin.
So, let us consider a practical example. A Gallente person wears a dress that shows both Leg and cleavage. Because they are a Gallente person, and thus, unfamiliar with works of Scripture such as The Book of Fashion for the Righteous Amarr Lady, the Gallente person is unaware that a dress that shows both leg and cleavage is tarty, and so, cannot be condemned for wearing the dress, instead, they must have their error explained to them, in a sympathetic manner.
However, should a person who is familiar with Fashion for the Righteous, wear such a dress, then, they can be condemned as being Unrighteous, because they know that the dress is Tarty and unbecoming of a Righteous Lady.
So then, it becomes clear that while Gallente, Caldari, or Minmatar people may occasionally or indeed frequently, engage in activities that Righteous people dislike, then the Compassionate Righteous person, such as myself, for I am a proverbial Angel of Compassion, cannot really condemn those poor unguided souls. Instead, we must educate and guide the lost, as is Written in the Apocryphon.
Instead, condemnation must be reserved for the unrighteous Unbelievers of the Theology Council, who twisted the Word of Scripture to suit their petty political schemes, and who blaspheme against God as a result.
And let that be a lesson to you! |
Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
3807
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Posted - 2014.06.18 17:27:00 -
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Always an education, Doctor Valate. My thanks! "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
619
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Posted - 2014.06.18 17:59:00 -
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Does your "Book of Fashion for the Righteous Amarr Lady" instruct you to wear such garish makeup? That is tarty. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
564
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Posted - 2014.06.18 18:07:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Does your "Book of Fashion for the Righteous Amarr Lady" instruct you to wear such garish makeup? That is tarty.
Your petty insults have no effect, Unbeliever. Do you still receive beatings from your Holder ? |
Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
3808
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Posted - 2014.06.18 18:38:00 -
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Confirming that Samira does not wear dresses that show EITHER cleavage or leg. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
477
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Posted - 2014.06.18 21:17:00 -
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Well, in an effort to avoid replacing my wardrobe, I claim unrighteous. The eternity in hell would be less a hassle. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Anabella Rella
Gradient
1708
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Posted - 2014.06.18 22:21:00 -
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I find it ironic that a supposedly heretical Sabik cultist and her Apocryphon are far more compassionate and tolerant than the True Amarr and their Scriptures. The Sabik try to convert through education and evangelism while the Amarr... well, we all know how they operate.
It's a shame that the extreme Sabik sects have to ruin everything with their kidnapping and murder. When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
623
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Posted - 2014.06.18 22:52:00 -
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No, Ms. Valate. I don't.
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Confirming that Samira does not wear dresses that show EITHER cleavage or leg.
That is not true.
Anabella Rella wrote: The Sabik try to convert through education and evangelism while the Amarr... well, we all know how they operate.
... through education and evangelism. |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
477
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Posted - 2014.06.18 23:03:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Anabella Rella wrote: The Sabik try to convert through education and evangelism while the Amarr... well, we all know how they operate. ... through education and evangelism. See also: slave training and reclaimings. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
211
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:57:00 -
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Lady Valate is totally, utterly, and completely wrong. In every way.
First off, I am the greatest living Sani Sabik theologian, the opinions of a formerly Amarr-loyalist member of Circle-of-Two alliance not withstanding.
But more to the point, God makes no practical distinction between sinning in ignorance and sinning with full knowledge of the truth. Both types of sinners burn in Hell for all eternity. For as it is written in the Scriptures, "GÇÿBeware the righteous who seek truth in spirit alone". And it is also written, "When thine actions are in Light's name, thou art immortal". From these Scriptures we may deduce that it is not the thought that counts, but the action.
Some may find Lady Valate's ethics more fair in that they offer a certain grace to those born of the ignorant races of the universe. To which I say: God isn't fair GÇö deal with it. God has Chosen a people, and by extension, He has Not Chosen other people. And if you're in the Not Chosen group, then it is Tough !@#$ for you, and if you don't like that fact, then who are you to question a Holy and Righteous God? |
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Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
477
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Posted - 2014.06.19 01:46:00 -
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Nauplius wrote:and if you don't like that fact, then who are you to question a Holy and Righteous God? Claudia Osyn: immoral capsuleer, founder and CEO of Mythic Security Service and the Goddess of the IGS. Bring on your God, I'll kick his ass. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
564
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Posted - 2014.06.19 05:39:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Valerie Valate wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:Does your "Book of Fashion for the Righteous Amarr Lady" instruct you to wear such garish makeup? That is tarty. Do you still receive beatings from your Holder ? No, Ms. Valate. I don't.
So you did in the past. What a cruel and unrighteous Holder.
Nauplius wrote:I am the greatest living Sani Sabik theologian
I did not state that I was the greatest, as a modest and righteous person, modesty would prevent me making such a bold claim. I simply said I was one of the greatest. Which I am. Thousands agree.
Nauplius wrote: For as it is written in the Scriptures, "GÇÿBeware the righteous who seek truth in spirit alone". And it is also written, "When thine actions are in Light's name, thou art immortal". From these Scriptures we may deduce that it is not the thought that counts, but the action.
Ah, and is the Book of Trials Scripture? The Theology Council says it is, but remember, the Theology Council are heretics. |
Ava Starfire
Gradient
1570
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Posted - 2014.06.19 11:46:00 -
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*popcorn* "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |
Karynn Denton
Clan Katanga Caravan
196
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Posted - 2014.06.19 12:03:00 -
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Dresses? Pah! They are for old women and priests! Karynn Denton Caravan Master
Thukking about! In Rifters! On drugs! \o/ |
Anabella Rella
Gradient
1708
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Posted - 2014.06.19 14:22:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Anabella Rella wrote: The Sabik try to convert through education and evangelism while the Amarr... well, we all know how they operate. ... through education and evangelism.
...And slavery, kidnapping, shock collars, Vitoc, forced labor, slaver hounds, etc.
How convenient that you've forgotten those things, Kernher. Or have your empress and god abandoned that whole "reclaiming" thing? When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
624
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Posted - 2014.06.19 14:27:00 -
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What I said already includes those. They are forms of education. |
Anslo
Scope Works
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Posted - 2014.06.19 14:37:00 -
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Ava, can I get some of that popcorn?
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Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
626
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Posted - 2014.06.19 14:52:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:What I said already includes those. They are forms of education.
You know there's these newfangled, radical and crazy things invented we call "schools", yeah? Mind-blowing it might be, but these institutions are actually showing signs that people can be educated without being subjected to what may very well be the most hideous moral and ethical failure in New Eden.
They're not quite as good at indoctrination or forced conversion though, which is what I suspect you were actually referring to. One day you lot might stop trying to compare your vile and disgusting crimes against humanity to the institutions and achievements of civilized societies, but clearly this is not the day.
Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
624
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Posted - 2014.06.19 15:17:00 -
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I know what schools are. I attended several, because you know, Amarr has plenty of them, some older than your nation. I was attending them while I was a slave, even. Mind-blowing it might be.
A proper school and a proper teacher just recognizes that you have to actually discipline students if you want to insure that they learn appropriate behavior. |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
627
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Posted - 2014.06.19 15:22:00 -
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Then you should be quite familiar with the difference between education and indoctrination.
"Discipline". Yet again you equate the vicious and horrifying crimes of your nation to something commendable. Of course, as we all know "discipline" isn't achieved in civilized and proper ways in all other nations in New Eden. Oh wait, it is. Quite effectively. Perhaps you meant to say "blind obedience". Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
624
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Posted - 2014.06.19 15:53:00 -
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Jinari Otsito wrote:Then you should be quite familiar with the difference between education and indoctrination.
"Discipline". Yet again you equate the vicious and horrifying crimes of your nation to something commendable. Of course, as we all know "discipline" isn't achieved in civilized and proper ways in all other nations in New Eden. Oh wait, it is. Quite effectively. Perhaps you meant to say "blind obedience".
When I look at the other nations in New Eden I do not see 'quite effective' disciplining of their populations.
And no, education and indoctrination are more interlinked than you want to believe. You are the blind one if you think that schools outside the Empire are not also designed in a way as to mold students into what the society deems to be a productive and worthwhile citizen. |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
628
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Posted - 2014.06.19 16:01:00 -
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Molding and shaping does not require breaking. Of course, as one of the broken, I guess you're not going to be able to understand this. A slave will never be a productive and worthwhile citizen, in any comparable way to those shaped for a free society. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
3809
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Posted - 2014.06.19 17:31:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote: When I look at the other nations in New Eden I do not see 'quite effective' disciplining of their populations.
You should visit the State more often. We have 'incredibly effective' disciplining of our population. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
565
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Posted - 2014.06.19 17:46:00 -
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At this point, I feel it is useful to consider the following statistics:
Number of people enslaved by the Church of the Crimson Saviour after refusing an Explanatory Leaflet: 0.
Number of people enslaved by the Theology Council after refusing the Scriptures: More than 0.
I think you'll agree that we at CTCS are winning this contest. |
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
98
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Posted - 2014.06.19 18:08:00 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:At this point, I feel it is useful to consider the following statistics:
Number of people enslaved by the Church of the Crimson Saviour after refusing an Explanatory Leaflet: 0.
Number of people enslaved by the Theology Council after refusing the Scriptures: More than 0.
I think you'll agree that we at CTCS are winning this contest.
How many people were blooded, drained, lamed, or otherwise maimed and/or killed by the Church of the Crimson Saviour after refusing/accepting or not having been provided in the first place, an Explanatory Leaflet? |
Anslo
Scope Works
5471
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Posted - 2014.06.19 18:16:00 -
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AVA QUICKLY THE POPCORN
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Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
479
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Posted - 2014.06.19 20:22:00 -
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*steak and beer*
screw popcorn. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Ava Starfire
Gradient
1573
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Posted - 2014.06.20 00:40:00 -
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Anslo wrote:AVA QUICKLY THE POPCORN
*passes* "There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North" |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
2217
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Posted - 2014.06.20 02:05:00 -
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Professor Doctor Valate,
Please do your entire religion a favor and put Naupilus through the meatgrinder once or twice, to see if he is truly of stern enough stuff to be a Sani Sabik. As far as I can tell he's never been tested. |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
212
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Posted - 2014.06.20 02:21:00 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:
Ah, and is the Book of Trials Scripture? The Theology Council says it is, but remember, the Theology Council are heretics.
You evidently consider some canonical Scripture to be Scripture, as you quote some in your original post.
I consider all of it to be Scripture, although wayward liberals have by means of interpolation, redaction, and other forms of editing caused some Scripture to be deformed, often by converting passages originally referring to blood sacrifice to something the liberals find less offensive. That reminds me, I had meant to prepare a sermon or lecture on this very point. |
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