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Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2014.06.19 06:22:00 -
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I know there are already ways to fight them. But local plays a huge role in hotdropping. Without it's intel, you'd have a far greater issue with enemy numbers.
Edit: I hate posting from my phone to this site.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Dig Mangeiri
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Posted - 2014.06.19 06:24:00 -
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Sorry I didn't mean to derail the topic with my opinion regarding the local channel. Thought it would make the topic of cloaked AFK pilots irrelevant. I personally don't like the local channel but the debate about it is huge and not likely to go anywhere.
Regarding the cloaking issue--it isn't going to change, either.
I think the brilliance of this game lies not in restrictions of player activities but support for them to do more. It is a tough case to make that cloaked AFKers must have restrictions when in fact they are not directly impeding your game play.
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Saisin
State War Academy Caldari State
68
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Posted - 2014.06.19 06:32:00 -
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The last few posts rehash things already discussed in previous posts, where people agree to disagree. There are clearly various strong opinions about afk cloaking..
My point in that thread is not to discuss solutions like say get rid of local, or implement an emp type decloaking burst, or any other previously suggered "solutions"
I d like someone to tell me why CCP considers that AFK clockers generates content, as it seems that they may have explained before.. Is that true? And if yes, how afk cloakers generate content?
"surrender your ego, be free". innuendo.
solo? There is a new hope http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/2014/05/ok-now-im-betting-man.html |
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
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Posted - 2014.06.19 06:33:00 -
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Saisin wrote:When a new thread on that subject is created it is locked and linked to a thread that is also locked.... Edit: removed the actual link for forum compliance
How can any new discussion be held on that subject then?
I think the frequency and speed with which threads on this subject get locked should give you some indication of the current position on this non-issue.
For reference and you edification try The List, locked but not forgotten. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Mag's
the united
17490
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Posted - 2014.06.19 06:34:00 -
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Saisin wrote:The last few posts rehash things already discussed in previous posts, where people agree to disagree. There are clearly various strong opinions about afk cloaking..
My point in that thread is not to discuss solutions like say get rid of local, or implement an emp type decloaking burst, or any other previously suggered "solutions"
I d like someone to tell me why CCP considers that AFK clockers generates content, as it seems that they may have explained before.. Is that true? And if yes, how afk cloakers generate content?
If they don't, why are you here complaining about them?
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Saisin
State War Academy Caldari State
68
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Posted - 2014.06.19 06:37:00 -
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Posting links to locked threads is against forum rules, which is why I edited my opening post. I had that link there before, so your post does not bring anything new to the discussion...
How does AFK cloaking generates content in the game is my topic of discussion on this, and is it really CCP's view on the subject... "surrender your ego, be free". innuendo.
solo? There is a new hope http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/2014/05/ok-now-im-betting-man.html |
Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2014.06.19 06:40:00 -
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Saisin wrote:Posting links to locked threads is against forum rules, which is why I edited my opening post. Is it? That's news to me.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Dig Mangeiri
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Posted - 2014.06.19 06:43:00 -
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I don't want to be confrontational with you.
I must give a similar situation consideration: How does being in the game ever as an AFK add content?
I can AFK in stations and add no content but I don't think I should be punished.
What about mission runners? I mean they don't add any content for me.
These threads get locked because the issue is one that isn't going to change.
And there really hasn't been a whole lot of ideas presented in this thread, which I think is the primary function of this particular board. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
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Posted - 2014.06.19 10:45:00 -
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Hunting null ratters is content. Because of local and the aversion of ratters the meta of hunting ratters has evolved to AFK cloaking. Its still content however. AFK cloakers still create risk for ratters, and they still damage an alliance's income.
Things would probably be more interesting for all involved if intel wasnt so flawless and there was a way to counter cloaks. But ppl are still figuring out the former, and to do one without the other would be horrible.
I expect afk cloaking will stay and will be ok as long as local stays as it is and is ok. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Bohneik Itohn
Amarrian Salvage Gnomes and Associates
300
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Posted - 2014.06.19 12:25:00 -
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Smugest Sniper wrote: You also can't cyno people in to hotdrop in WH's which is why they don't have that problem.
There is no more Cloaky T3 campers anymore, it's just hotdroppers, nothing more.
So your conclusions here are wrong.
Well damn. I don't exist anymore. You really told me.....
I'll just grab my bags and quit Eve forever, or maybe light a cyno as I roleplay an ancient fertility ritual, since no one will be jumping through it and it'd be kind of boring to just light it and leave. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
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RoAnnon
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
334
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Posted - 2014.06.19 14:32:00 -
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Everyone who lives in 0.0 knows the frustration of having a red cloaky in system while they're trying to Rat.
AFK cloakers do not pose a risk to ratters. The "perception" of risk, however, arises from the fact that nobody can really be sure if the cloaky is truly AFK or not.
The main issue with most of the "solutions" to this alleged problem is that they won't affect an ATK cloaker, they will only allow a free kill on an AFK cloaker.
I would hazard a guess that most of us on the "leave it alone" side of the argument are seeing that as the major sticking point. It's been pointed out before that cloaking and local, weighed against each other, while possibly broken, are not unbalanced.
My apologies if I took us too far off the actual topic of the thread and delved back into the question that seems to get these threads locked so often. I'm frankly surprised that the thread is still open, but up to now the posts have been staying pretty much on the meta discussion about the discussion. Sorry if I spoiled that... So, you're a bounty hunter. No, that ain't it at all. Then what are you? I'm a bounty hunter. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1579
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Posted - 2014.06.19 15:10:00 -
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Kaerakh wrote:Psychoactive Stimulant wrote:INB4LOCKED! Ditto, Ezwal is on a roll this week. Let's see how fast he gets this one. Not fast enough I'm afraid. Oh well, can't catch all of them in time.
To the OP: As said by previous posters, the discussion on cloaking and possible countermeasures has been going on for years. It'is one of those topics that gets locked because A. No new viewpoint will be added, B. Till this day CCP states it's working as intended and there are no plans to change it yet and C. Threads like that get trolled to death with a 100% certainty rate, causing us in CCL a lot of work.
Anyway, thread locked. Not for starting (AFK-)Cloaking thread number 241523, but for discussing forum moderation.
The Rules: 11. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a petition under the Community & Forums Category.
ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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