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Spiritas
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.19 07:06:00 -
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Hi all - quick question regarding plex.
after doing a bit of searching I find the following:
Post confirming PLEX cannot be traded outside game "Blue bars and confirmed Laughing PLEX is an in-game item and can only be traded or sold via in-game means..."
however I can go to amazon to buy "3 PLEX: EVE Online [Instant Access] by CCP Games"
So what is the relative legitimacy of that account, and can I buy plex from other online sources?
The reason I ask is because of the massive difference in price based on things like the seller, the currency used etc etc.
I am a little bit lost as to whether or not I can buy the things from anyone but CCP - and if not why am I being charged more then an american?
any info greatly appreciated ^_^ a lot of places have said its fine, a LOT more have said If I do Im losing all my ISK. I can't go into any real detail but I have just had ISK taken from my main for a payment I received for something out of game I did for somone due to it infringing on RMT despite no money changing hands, so I would really like to take the GM's advice and buy PLEX.
But I don't want to get myself banned for doing just that :D
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Spiritas
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.19 07:14:00 -
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For reference,
From CCP in the UK I have to pay for 2 PLEX cards -ú29.99 about (50.96 US Dollar)
From CCP in the US I have to pay for 2 PLEX cards $34.99 about (20.57 British Pound Sterling)
Now UK tax is disgusting and VAT is at 20% but 20.57 + 20% = 24.68
However I can buy from Amazon 5 PLEX cards for a paltry $60.00 - why on earth would I buy two from CCP at $50.96 when I can buy 5 from a supposed reseller for the equivalent different of a meal at macdonalds :D
Please help me I feel like im falling for the "too good to be true" |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
397
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Posted - 2014.06.19 08:19:00 -
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Check it: https://secure.eveonline.com/etc.aspx
If it ain't listed here, it's probably RMT. If in doubt.... it's RMT. Especially if your **** doesn't come in a nicely wrapped package, digital or otherwise. |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment The Camel Empire
956
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Posted - 2014.06.19 08:22:00 -
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PLEX from amazone ("by CCP Games) is legit. German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
Deano McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.06.19 08:29:00 -
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l0rd carlos wrote:PLEX from amazone ("by CCP Games) is legit.
This guy looks like he can be trusted
Ooo. you make me live whatever this world can give to me It's you, you're all I see Ooo, you make me live now honey Ooo, you make me live |
Spiritas
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.19 08:40:00 -
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Loraine Gess wrote:Check it: https://secure.eveonline.com/etc.aspxIf it ain't listed here, it's probably RMT. If in doubt.... it's RMT. Especially if your **** doesn't come in a nicely wrapped package, digital or otherwise.
Awesome, I hadn't known about this even after searching.
for anyone that is curious-> PCGameSupply are selling two plex at the low low rate of -ú20.59
Not as low as I have seen elsewhere but I really don't want a liar causing me to get banned by trusting them!
---lastly if anyone can explain the legitimacy or legality of buying PLEX from other people? is it allowed or not? being as it is out of game trading and therefore has real world value>?
**I question it because the link at the top has this written in " Remember you can also trade ETC with other players or buy PLEX."
I cannot understand why CCP let us use ingame currency, this is all quite a minefield for legal reasons - I feel buying them a beer for all the bother :D |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
398
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Posted - 2014.06.19 08:48:00 -
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Spiritas wrote:Loraine Gess wrote:Check it: https://secure.eveonline.com/etc.aspxIf it ain't listed here, it's probably RMT. If in doubt.... it's RMT. Especially if your **** doesn't come in a nicely wrapped package, digital or otherwise. Awesome, I hadn't known about this even after searching. for anyone that is curious-> PCGameSupply are selling two plex at the low low rate of -ú20.59 Not as low as I have seen elsewhere but I really don't want a liar causing me to get banned by trusting them! ---lastly if anyone can explain the legitimacy or legality of buying PLEX from other people? is it allowed or not? being as it is out of game trading and therefore has real world value>? **I question it because the link at the top has this written in " Remember you can also trade ETC with other players or buy PLEX." I cannot understand why CCP let us use ingame currency, this is all quite a minefield for legal reasons - I feel buying them a beer for all the bother :D
The retailer list is not prominently displayed anywhere, so I understand that it's very easy to miss. I wish CCP would make it linked back to on retailer pages.
For plex: You can buy them ingame with isk, or barter for other items, or even steal them.
As they are ingame items, you cannot trade them for real money (that would be RMT). If in doubt, first of all do not transfer anyone cash for a transaction you have doubts about. Second of all you can petition ("support ticket") CCP for questions about the EULA and the legality of certain things. |
Spiritas
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.19 09:06:00 -
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For plex: You can buy them ingame with isk, or barter for other items, or even steal them.
This holds true but you can buy them with real money, thats what the retailer link is - sending you to spend real money through their "approved" traders. its still real money for ingame items.
I guess the legality is other players selling their time that I would hope they used to earn the PLEX - im guessing as most seizures are done because they bought plex with hacked paypals or stolen cards thats when you get it taken, and legitimately earned ones arent taken back if bought?
Im a bit lost on it - I thought it was more a discussion topic because it is quite merky, CCP's stance will of course be no RMT except thru approved sources but then, I get ISK for gambling ISK, I do artwork for ISK - hell I trade my time helping people in other games for ISK.
No money changes hands but I just got burned for taking a payment from somone associated with RMT
I'm concerned that the rule appears to be a damned if you do and damned if you don't scenario. Do I pay premium for guaranteed safe product or do I Pay less on ebay for a lot more PLEX and a lot less safety~? |
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
399
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Posted - 2014.06.19 09:11:00 -
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The "RMT" is a one-way flow sanctioned and tightly controlled by CCP. I will not deny that actual RMT isk markets exist, but I will caution you as a player and person against them. The usual (first-time) punishment involves removing the balance of illicit isk from your account. If your wallet goes negative you will not be able to complete any transaction that costs you isk. You cannot use the market, nor set up contracts, nor do a lot of other small things. The second time is a permanent ban, from what I understand of their current policy.
If you still think RMT isk a good idea, I advise you to take a look at Team security's last post on the matter.
ISD... take it away. |
Felicity Love
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1934
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Posted - 2014.06.19 09:11:00 -
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Deano McCandless wrote:
Ooo. you make me live whatever this world can give to me It's you, you're all I see Ooo, you make me live now honey Ooo, you make me live
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.06.19 09:13:00 -
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Spiritas wrote: I'm concerned that the rule appears to be a damned if you do and damned if you don't scenario. Do I pay premium for guaranteed safe product or do I Pay less on ebay for a lot more PLEX and a lot less safety~?
You aren't damned if you dont
Just dont
If it doesnt have the super secret offical hologram rubsign sticker, then its not an authentic productTM and you risk getting your proverbial thumbs smashed with a hammer
Be safe
Buy direct only "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Spiritas
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.19 10:24:00 -
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In response to Loraine Gess - my apologies I was not suggesting for a minuet that I support RMT when it impacts as explained in that blog the game and community with fraud.
I am all for RMT when it is done legitimately which is where my question stems from, Can I buy PLEX from another player? or as is often put up can I Pay they them for their game time? or to farm/isk make up whatever reason you can for me to give them funds into what eventually boils down into game time and ships?
Im happy to give CCP my money but I don't want to go spend $60.00 for the plex equiv of 1.4b compared to $50.00 for 3.5b from an ebay seller if I can buy it legitimately.
I refer to the earlier posted bit where I copied a line of text from their own link "" Remember you can also trade ETC with other players or buy PLEX.""
Can I buy PLEX from other players? or just ETC?
--Ramona McCandless I think I will take your advice and buy directly but from an approved reseller as I will pay less If I buy it using dollars.
Still confused a little on whether I can buy PLEX's with real money without infringing the rules slightly. Im guessing as they only prevent it to stop crime perhaps only buy it from official's or people I know got them legitimately? |
Anize Oramara
S T R A T C O M Critical-Mass
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Posted - 2014.06.19 11:01:00 -
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dude you are making somthing far more complicated than it has any right to be.
1. open support ticket 2. link place where you want to buy plex from 3. ask if its ok to buy from them 4. ??? 5. profit
isk for plex is also extremely simple.
1. go to jita 2. open market and type in plex 3. buy plex with isk/sell plex for isk 4. ??? 5. profit |
Spiritas
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.19 11:55:00 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:dude you are making somthing far more complicated than it has any right to be.
1. open support ticket 2. link place where you want to buy plex from 3. ask if its ok to buy from them 4. ??? 5. profit
isk for plex is also extremely simple. <-- this i didnt ask for?
1. go to jita 2. open market and type in plex 3. buy plex with isk/sell plex for isk 4. ??? 5. profit
I am questioning If I am allowed to buy from people outside (at the time of posting) the PLEX shop via this website as I was unaware of a retailer list. I have not alluded to a specific place. You think it is more efficient to make a ticket over such a vague question as mine rather then just ask a community of thousands in case someone has the information I might need?
There is conflicting information available so far. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.19 12:07:00 -
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Spiritas wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:dude you are making somthing far more complicated than it has any right to be.
1. open support ticket 2. link place where you want to buy plex from 3. ask if its ok to buy from them 4. ??? 5. profit
isk for plex is also extremely simple. <-- this i didnt ask for?
1. go to jita 2. open market and type in plex 3. buy plex with isk/sell plex for isk 4. ??? 5. profit I am questioning If I am allowed to buy from people outside (at the time of posting) the PLEX shop via this website as I was unaware of a retailer list. I have not alluded to a specific place. You think it is more efficient to make a ticket over such a vague question as mine rather then just ask a community of thousands in case someone has the information I might need? There is conflicting information available so far.
Considering some in this community are almost certainly involved in RMT and the fact that lieing successfully in EVE is seen as not just allowable but a laudable thing worthy of accolades and much street cred I think the advice to check with CCP themselves is good advice.
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1953
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Posted - 2014.06.19 12:11:00 -
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Buy from CCP directly or from listed and approved retailers instead of wasting time on asking about some exotic shop. Unless your time is worth less than those mere few bucks/pounds of difference, mine isn't. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Oculi Magni
Spiritus Draconis Drunk 'n' Disorderly
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Posted - 2014.06.19 12:28:00 -
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As been said you're really making it more difficult than it is.
You're confused because CCP doens't allow PLEX being sold for real money yet you find there are websites selling them and you obviously want the best deals in a certain currency.
It's simple go here https://secure.eveonline.com/etc.aspx any of those are legal 3rd party resellers of PLEX or other packages this is no RTM or whatever, businesses resell other businesses their business.
HOWEVER when a guy like you and me makes enough isk (probably through dubious ways) and makes a shiney website selling PLEX (bought with isk) at competitive rates it is RTM i.e. you are selling your ingame isk for real money.
In comparison those other business have nothing to do with isk they sell PLEX they officially bought at CCP en resell it.
Buy either at CCP directly or at legal 3rd parties trusted by CCP forget the rest if you don't want a negative wallet. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.06.19 12:38:00 -
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You can buy PLEX/GTC with RL cash, but only from CCPs official partners which are listed here. If you buy from anywhere else, including eBay, you risk CCPs wrath which can result in the loss of any isk you may have gained and a ban.
You can also buy PLEX in game through the market and contracts, if you're doing it via contracts then I suggest reading the contract closely, at least twice.
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
Spiritas
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.19 12:51:00 -
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Cheers everyone, I still feel that there is a bit of a cross over with one hand saying no RMT but the other saying RMT from CCP is legal. But i get the reasons behind it now better then before and frankly I guess its not worth the risk.
Thank you all for your time - Mine is worth nothing to me compared to what I value reliable knowledge at Schmata Bastanold I appreciate the sentiment I was frankly expecting the clarity of the last couple answers as my first responses.
I stand by me belief that this question would not warrant wasting GM/staff help as frankly I felt I knew the answer before I asked but clarity is as clarity does.
For once I am happy with the community help I have received =] +1 for everyone :D
"satisfied despite no official reply that my question has been answered feel free to lock this one ^_^ |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.06.19 14:36:00 -
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thread locked for some cleaning. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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