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Holly Ballbreaker
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.19 11:18:00 -
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Ok
first Hello guys/girls
currently i mine on my 4 accounts with 1 orca 3 hulks in high sec
the orca is fitted with the normal mining links but i have 1 shield link also (full leadership skills)
im thinking first i could keep a skiff in my orca to jump in to if any gank attempt happens.
Or
drop 2nd link for say range and add the booster duration link and shield harmonizing grouped with a remote shield rep char.
Or
just mine in skiffs (no not an option)
see to me this code. is just like a little micro game and tbh its only pixles. i mean if anyone really wanted my orca dead along with my hulks i know it would happen some may say why not just pay but wheres the fun in that.
any have similar set ups or see anything im missing as altho i have full leadership skills i have only ever used them for mining :)
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Froggy Storm
Paragon Trust The Bastion
272
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Posted - 2014.06.19 12:21:00 -
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Firstly, code it a tiny investment sure. But with so many ships in the air it will be almost impossible not to fall under not aspirations anyways.
That said the tanked skiffs are always going to be your best bet in the case of making yourself the least attractive target for the best yields out.
However, another way to game it might be to consider using the T1 barges. Instead of thinking in terms of surviving the attack (as you already noted you won't) try thinking in terms of "how many cycles must each barge run to pay for a replacement)
Still tank your miners. Still run links. But run cheap as you can to do so using the T1 hulls. I used to have a link to the old math of how long a miner with Vs skills needed in each hull (on veld). But given all the changes I'll let someone with more math do the numbers. |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
284
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Posted - 2014.06.19 12:25:00 -
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Holly Ballbreaker wrote:im thinking first i could keep a skiff in my orca to jump in to if any gank attempt happens. Test this first - I can't recall but I think there's an issue in changing ships through a maint bay if locked for example.
Quote:drop 2nd link for say range and add the booster duration link and shield harmonizing grouped with a remote shield rep char. You'd need to do some serious repping power to counter the DPS a Catalyst can put out on you, though you don't need to counter it all to turn a successful gank into a failed gank. Calculate how many 700DPS Catalysts a gank squad would need to kill your hulks, determine how much spare damage they have with that many and how much of that you can counter... |
Chenguang Hucel-Ge
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.19 15:18:00 -
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Whatever you throw on your hulks, they still take 3 catalysts to take down max in 0.8 space. Your suggestion about skiff is questionable. You won't be able to swap all 3 miners without leaving at least one hulk exposed. And should you encounter even remotely serious gankers, they'll just return for your orca.
Look at average ice botter (or 30 windows Isboxer if you feel comfortable this way): tons of procurers/skiffs, off-grid orca and off-grid freighter that takes golden cargo and rolling out. |
Arean Proktor
Eternal Darkness. Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2014.06.20 07:11:00 -
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4. Settle over to Null.
CODE does not matter there. Also better Ore and bigger rocks. There are enough quite Systems out there and with the upcoming Industry change you will have an easy time selling your minerals there. |
Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
615
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Posted - 2014.06.20 07:41:00 -
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Best way to stay safe as a miner: quit mining. |
Holly Ballbreaker
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.20 08:38:00 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:Best way to stay safe as a miner: quit mining.
Then they win :/ again not an option and i am stubborn. All day all i see in forums is Code this and code that, why is everyone changing the way they mine to accommodate these players.
altho last night i had a really funny arsed idea fit orca for pure fleet boosts NO mining boosts. fit 1 remote rep on each hulk and spider tank them well kinda ;P add another remote rep char in the mix fit warp scram on each and add heavy hitting drones orgres to each hulk and orca.
fit 1 mining lazor on each hulk and gank the gankers :P reverse gank for for lols
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Chenguang Hucel-Ge
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:04:00 -
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Holly Ballbreaker wrote:Dato Koppla wrote:Best way to stay safe as a miner: quit mining. Then they win :/ again not an option and i am stubborn. All day all i see in forums is Code this and code that, why is everyone changing the way they mine to accommodate these players. altho last night i had a really funny arsed idea fit orca for pure fleet boosts NO mining boosts. fit 1 remote rep on each hulk and spider tank them well kinda ;P add another remote rep char in the mix fit warp scram on each and add heavy hitting drones orgres to each hulk and orca. fit 1 mining lazor on each hulk and gank the gankers :P reverse gank for for lols
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Chenguang Hucel-Ge
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:06:00 -
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Holly Ballbreaker wrote:Dato Koppla wrote:Best way to stay safe as a miner: quit mining. Then they win :/ again not an option and i am stubborn. All day all i see in forums is Code this and code that, why is everyone changing the way they mine to accommodate these players. altho last night i had a really funny arsed idea fit orca for pure fleet boosts NO mining boosts. fit 1 remote rep on each hulk and spider tank them well kinda ;P add another remote rep char in the mix fit warp scram on each and add heavy hitting drones orgres to each hulk and orca. fit 1 mining lazor on each hulk and gank the gankers :P reverse gank for for lols You are mining on 4 accounts, yet it seems that you've got no idea what the hell the gank is. All actions goes for less than 26 seconds. After this game is over, win or not. You won't have time to kill them all. Even if you'll kill someone before CONCORD arrival, the most of DPS required will be inflicted already. It's not like you'll be able to make their day worse with this act, they already said good bye to their ships prior to undocking. You won't have right to strike first. Your reps will pull out 5 cycles max (if reps are already running). Tthey most likely will know your fitting or bring obviously excessive quantity of ships.
If you really want to "stay safe" as miner, either don't mine or mine in rented null/high sec deadspace pockets. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
2225
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:22:00 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:Best way to stay safe as a miner: quit mining.
Nooo I need miners for ships to suicide gank miners!! >_<
I've actually only done that like once but still.. BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
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Holly Ballbreaker
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.20 12:11:00 -
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Chenguang Hucel-Ge wrote:Holly Ballbreaker wrote:Dato Koppla wrote:Best way to stay safe as a miner: quit mining. Then they win :/ again not an option and i am stubborn. All day all i see in forums is Code this and code that, why is everyone changing the way they mine to accommodate these players. altho last night i had a really funny arsed idea fit orca for pure fleet boosts NO mining boosts. fit 1 remote rep on each hulk and spider tank them well kinda ;P add another remote rep char in the mix fit warp scram on each and add heavy hitting drones orgres to each hulk and orca. fit 1 mining lazor on each hulk and gank the gankers :P reverse gank for for lols You are mining on 4 accounts, yet it seems that you've got no idea what the hell the gank is. All actions goes for less than 26 seconds. After this game is over, win or not. You won't have time to kill them all. Even if you'll kill someone before CONCORD arrival, the most of DPS required will be inflicted already. It's not like you'll be able to make their day worse with this act, they already said good bye to their ships prior to undocking. You won't have right to strike first. Your reps will pull out 5 cycles max (if reps are already running). Tthey most likely will know your fitting or bring obviously excessive quantity of ships. If you really want to "stay safe" as miner, either don't mine or mine in rented null/high sec deadspace pockets.
No as a miner i have no idea what a GANK is must be some type of ship amiright :/
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snakebreath
PLAGUE INC
5
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Posted - 2014.06.20 20:08:00 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:Best way to stay safe as a miner: quit mining.
After everyone's stock pile of minerals are depleted, we can undock in pods and go mano o mano.... Maybe CCP can add a joust on our pods so we can impale each other.
Gun mining can't keep up with the demand ever since drone poo was nerfed.
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Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
616
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Posted - 2014.06.21 00:54:00 -
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snakebreath wrote:Dato Koppla wrote:Best way to stay safe as a miner: quit mining. After everyone's stock pile of minerals are depleted, we can undock in pods and go mano o mano.... Maybe CCP can add a joust on our pods so we can impale each other. Gun mining can't keep up with the demand ever since drone poo was nerfed.
There will always be the bots. |
Holly Ballbreaker
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.06.21 10:36:00 -
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lol
nvm i got my answer
it just dont work :/
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Director Blackflame
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.21 10:45:00 -
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I dont get why people dont just use skiffs the lower output is a better option than getting hulks blown up on a regular basis. |
Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
616
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Posted - 2014.06.21 11:37:00 -
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Director Blackflame wrote:I dont get why people dont just use skiffs the lower output is a better option than getting hulks blown up on a regular basis.
The same reason that despite getting 3 lowslots to pit potential tank, 90% of freighter pilots will stick 3 expanded cargoholds/warp speed modules in there. Most of them simply can't be bothered to understand the game outside of their own little box. I commend OP on trying to stay safe, that's more than most miners even bother doing. |
Holly Ballbreaker
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.21 12:45:00 -
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Director Blackflame wrote:I dont get why people dont just use skiffs the lower output is a better option than getting hulks blown up on a regular basis.
Like i said i am stubborn, had a attempted gank last night managed to get out with no loss but with 2%hull and a little shield my rep gave me.
So it wos kind of a win but then i couldn't go back to mining as the guys wos just waiting on me to undock again also the warp stab helped altho without my links and rep i would of died in a ball of flames.
Also i dont care about losing a hulk or 2 its the orca that would really be a loss but they didnt even try and touch the orca. Im guessing the hulk wos there intrest. i have now decided to go back to the drawing board and have a rethink.
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1954
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Posted - 2014.06.21 12:57:00 -
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Did they came with 25+ artynados? Guess not since you got your hulk out so why would you be worried about orca? Worst they could do is bumping it to mess with you but nobody exploded from bumping except maybe some rage infused neurons. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
580
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Posted - 2014.06.21 16:52:00 -
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If you want to mine safer... borrow a page from ancient EvE and use Rohks (better than Apocs). Sure you will lose a lot of yield, but it can be tanked passively for catalysts (very good against burst ganks, esp if you can top it off with RR; one way is to use medium shield bots in a drone chain), cargo can easily be large enough for 2 or more cycles (less if you use mining drones).
Like anything else in Eve... it is all tradeoffs, is greed good enough or are the red numbers potentially a bigger problem?
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Froggy Storm
Paragon Trust The Bastion
274
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Posted - 2014.06.21 21:13:00 -
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Use thermodynamics as well. You can't exactly preheat your reps or hardners, but if you are squeeking by with 2% then mashing the rack when the ganks starts could give you that extra little bit to deal with devine RNG hate. |
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3310
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:19:00 -
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Well tanked and boosted hulks aren't worth ganking. T1 cats almost always lose ime. Oh god. |
Holly Ballbreaker
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.06.22 11:46:00 -
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Well
Last night i had some really strange things happen to me and my little fleet.
First i noticed a cov ops ship land on grid, and cloak. (why he didnt cloak befor hand is strange) Then after around 2 min or so 2 thrashers arrived so i started rep cycle and masb then orca gets locked :/
brilliant ok here we go, But then only 1 of thrashers started warp screaming my orca NO shots fired OK.
Then other starts locking my orca and starts doing same as other guy again :/ now im no pvper but i knew they wos just wasting time doing this still no shots fired at this point i think hmm wtf, then 5 more ships land 2 more thrashers and 3 catalysts now all lock me and ALL put scrams on me still wtf, by this time concord is arriving and pops the last guy to warp scram me others who started this action are still scramming me Now here is where it got strange.
concord vanishes i mean they just left me there to die OK i think i see a picture forming, after around 3-4 seconds later concord arrive back and finish off the guys one by one ok panic over remember still no one has fired a shot. Or atleast i didnt get any notifications about being shot.
i warped back to station (after looting) :)
and start to try and work out wtf they wos doing i am almost tempted to mail them to ask but il be honest i wos just glad to get out alive.
by the way none wos code. members
after scratching my head my only reasoning is they scanned my ship and realized they messed up OR forgot to shoot not 100% sure.
either way 2nd gank attempt wos a epic fail :) i win again seems my fit so far has worked to my advantage Or they are really bad at ganking.
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DrysonBennington
Aliastra Gallente Federation
138
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Posted - 2014.06.22 15:29:00 -
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Next time CODE will show up with their entire cult if not more to gank your Orca and three mining barges.
CODE usually employs around 20 to 30 Catalyst Gank ships supported by Talos and Brutix BC.
If they can't force you buy a permit for ten million isk for each member of your fleet they will gank each one within an hours time or mass gank them.
I see it all the time in Aufay and can to say that CODE will find you and your fleet so it would be in your best interest to tank your fleet to its max potential.
Losing mining yields is better than losing your entire fleet I would think. |
Vhelnik Cojoin
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
69
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Posted - 2014.06.22 21:22:00 -
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A Skiff is a much better option than a Rokh for mining in dangerous waters. It is faster and more agile, has a much larger ore bay, cost less, has a higher yield by far, a lower signature radius and can be tanked pretty well even fitted for max. yield. Not quite as well as a passive shield tanked mining Rokh yet still, a respectably solid tank. Have you Communicated with your fellow capsuleers today? It is good for the EVE-oconomy and o-kay for you. |
Bland Inquisitor
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
60
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Posted - 2014.06.23 00:43:00 -
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or join a nullsec alliance and have an entire system to yourself to mine to your hearts content. Get warnings upto 4 regions away about hostile movements and if someone comes in and cloaky camps you... move to 1 of the 100 other systems your allowed to use :)
never understood miners in hi-sec. Sov-Space is so much safer and more profitable too,
If you would like to know more, contact me. |
Holly Ballbreaker
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.06.23 09:15:00 -
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Bland Inquisitor wrote:or join a nullsec alliance and have an entire system to yourself to mine to your hearts content. Get warnings upto 4 regions away about hostile movements and if someone comes in and cloaky camps you... move to 1 of the 100 other systems your allowed to use :)
never understood miners in hi-sec. Sov-Space is so much safer and more profitable too,
If you would like to know more, contact me.
Hehe nice plug :/
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Holly Ballbreaker
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.06.23 11:24:00 -
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Sod it cant beat them, Join them :)
First of 2 gank chars rolling out in 23 hours :) |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1957
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Posted - 2014.06.23 15:15:00 -
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DrysonBennington wrote:Next time CODE will show up with their entire cult if not more to gank your Orca and three mining barges.
CODE usually employs around 20 to 30 Catalyst Gank ships supported by Talos and Brutix BC.
If they can't force you buy a permit for ten million isk for each member of your fleet they will gank each one within an hours time or mass gank them.
I still don't see how even 20-30 cats could gank an orca with 250-260k ehp with lowest resist being close to 80%. And should they use same number of BCs to suicide it I would say orca won ISK war anyway.
Don't get me wrong, I am far from underestimating power of boredom and tear squeeze, I can go great lengths to gank newbie venture just because we happen to be in same system and he refuses to simply roll and die but keeps hanging around after eluding me first time. Still I cannot imagine CODE dudes and dudettes being sooo bored especially if they can probably gank all barges in system at same time with those numbers and shower themselves in tears and hulk drops should RNG god allow. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Bronson Hughes
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Posted - 2014.06.23 16:29:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:DrysonBennington wrote:Next time CODE will show up with their entire cult if not more to gank your Orca and three mining barges.
CODE usually employs around 20 to 30 Catalyst Gank ships supported by Talos and Brutix BC.
If they can't force you buy a permit for ten million isk for each member of your fleet they will gank each one within an hours time or mass gank them. I still don't see how even 20-30 cats could gank an orca with 250-260k ehp with lowest resist being close to 80%. And should they use same number of BCs to suicide it I would say orca won ISK war anyway. Don't get me wrong, I am far from underestimating power of boredom and tear squeeze, I can go great lengths to gank newbie venture just because we happen to be in same system and he refuses to simply roll and die but keeps hanging around after eluding me first time. Still I cannot imagine CODE dudes and dudettes being sooo bored especially if they can probably gank all barges in system at same time with those numbers and shower themselves in tears and hulk drops should RNG god allow.
If they can gank an Anshar, they can gank an Orca for certain. For bigger targets, they just bring more pilots or bigger ships. The DPS of a gank Talos is staggering. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
I want to create content, not become content. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1957
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Posted - 2014.06.23 16:49:00 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:If they can gank an Anshar, they can gank an Orca for certain. For bigger targets, they just bring more pilots or bigger ships. The DPS of a gank Talos is staggering.
Sure, but there is 6bil price tag on that killmail. An orca parked at belt will have ore worth 30mil ISK inside? And will be 700-800mil worth itself so I would say to suicide 8 taloses to gank it is definitely not economically justified.
Again, I'm talking about properly tanked orca that primarily acts as booster and secondary as dump bin for miners, not some paper thin green/blue/purple fitted abomination that needs to be put down for sake of universe.
And again, I'm not saying it can't or won't get ganked just that there is much more easier and cheaper ways to wash yourself in sweet tear waterfalls when hisec mining is considered :) I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
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