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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1212
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Posted - 2014.06.23 21:14:00 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:Director Blackflame wrote:I dont get why people dont just use skiffs the lower output is a better option than getting hulks blown up on a regular basis. The same reason that despite getting 3 lowslots to pit potential tank, 90% of freighter pilots will stick 3 expanded cargoholds/warp speed modules in there. Most of them simply can't be bothered to understand the game outside of their own little box. I commend OP on trying to stay safe, that's more than most miners even bother doing. The reason they don't fit bulkheads is because 9 times out of 10 they aren't hauling enough to be worth chewing through even their un-augmented EHP. That 10th time they're ganking for lulz and you are better off with 3 I-stabs and a web alt because all those bulkheads will get you is an extra second of watching your freighter burn. |
Ginger Barbarella
1945
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Posted - 2014.06.23 22:58:00 -
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You could always consider not being lazy and mining within a couple jumps of mission or trade hubs... Just a wild thought, I know... "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Valleria Darkmoon
Convicts and Savages Shadow Cartel
266
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Posted - 2014.06.25 20:10:00 -
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Battle Skiff 90k EHP and 350 dps....GO!
Better yet, use that to gank. ABSOLUTELY NO ONE will see that coming.
On a slightly more serious note (because battle skiff looks completely legit) don't put all your characters in one belt spread them out so at least they can't get them all in one go without some co-ordination (hopefully they don't all have a naming convention). Get yourself a bookmark within docking range of a station and put your Orca there, warp to it dump your ore and head back. Yes, it's slightly more work but it will be safer there. Your links still work just fine from there and your Orca can dock up if anything threatening shows up to gank it.
Lastly, no you can't drop ships into an Orca while you are under fire and thank CCP for closing that exploit. The Orca/T3 gate camping strategy was one of the lamest things ever. All the more reason to leave your Orca in system but not with your miners. If CCP ever does make links on grid only you will have a reason to be there but not before then. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1959
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Posted - 2014.06.26 12:48:00 -
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Valleria Darkmoon wrote:Get yourself a bookmark within docking range of a station (like above or below it so exiting traffic doesn't bump you off) and put your Orca there, warp to it dump your ore and head back. Yes, it's slightly more work but it will be safer there. Your links still work just fine from there and your Orca can dock up if anything threatening shows up to gank it.
I wonder If having off-grid BM next to a belt and simply jettison an ore there would be valid alternative for solution you described. Short warp means more time spent shooting rocks, cans have approx 2 hours of lifetime so you can schedule hauling before they expire, you don't show up next to station in rather equal intervals so it's hard to just wait for you to gank you (although I cannot imagine you could miss bunch of cats around your orca patiently waiting for your hulk to arrive), cans cannot be probed so unless somebody already has probes ready to scan your ship they won't find them (and if you miss bunch of combats on d-scan you deserve to lose your ship).
On the other hand I guess difference between time warping to such BM and to an orca at station would greatly depend on relative distances between belt and station. Mining barges/exhumers are not among most agile warp racers :)
EDIT: I assume dumping ore to orca instead of to a station is to save those precious seconds that dock/undock takes, right? I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Fluffi Flaffi
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
92
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Posted - 2014.06.26 14:50:00 -
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Director Blackflame wrote:I dont get why people dont just use skiffs the lower output is a better option than getting hulks blown up on a regular basis.
Because at least some of the miners can think and calculate. And those you often find in Hulks and Mackinaws. If you use Hulks on a regular Basis they pay for themselves and generate extra profit compared to those stupid skiffs if you use them properly ON A REGULAR BASIS. For serious miners Skiffs and Procurers are an absolute NO-GO!
But, nevermind, please all other miners continue using Skiffs and Procurers! Thank you so much! That is decreasing offer, which keeps Prices higher and therefore more income for me :) |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1959
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Posted - 2014.06.26 15:43:00 -
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Well, if price is kept higher because skiff/proc usage skiff/proc pilots have higher income too even with their lower-than-hulk yield :) I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Valleria Darkmoon
Convicts and Savages Shadow Cartel
268
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Posted - 2014.06.30 10:23:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Valleria Darkmoon wrote:Get yourself a bookmark within docking range of a station (like above or below it so exiting traffic doesn't bump you off) and put your Orca there, warp to it dump your ore and head back. Yes, it's slightly more work but it will be safer there. Your links still work just fine from there and your Orca can dock up if anything threatening shows up to gank it. I wonder If having off-grid BM next to a belt and simply jettison an ore there would be valid alternative for solution you described. Short warp means more time spent shooting rocks, cans have approx 2 hours of lifetime so you can schedule hauling before they expire, you don't show up next to station in rather equal intervals so it's hard to just wait for you to gank you (although I cannot imagine you could miss bunch of cats around your orca patiently waiting for your hulk to arrive ), cans cannot be probed so unless somebody already has probes ready to scan your ship they won't find them (and if you miss bunch of combats on d-scan you deserve to lose your ship). On the other hand I guess difference between time warping to such BM and to an orca at station would greatly depend on relative distances between belt and station. Mining barges/exhumers are not among most agile warp racers :) EDIT: I assume dumping ore to orca instead of to a station is to save those precious seconds that dock/undock takes, right? Well having the BM off the belt could work I guess but there's always a tiny risk someone will find it with (probes while a ship is there), though the chance is so small I wouldn't worry about it. You'd still need to have the Orca in space somewhere to use your links and if you left it in a BM off the belt probing it out becomes a much bigger worry.
As for dropping ore into the Orca instead of into the station, I was working on the assumption that Orcas can do something productive with ore as well as saving time since you wouldn't need to dock/undock. My understanding of mining is superficial at best so I could be way off on that bit. I was making suggestions to stay alive based off mechanics I know how to use. Reality has an almost infinite capacity to resist oversimplification. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2016
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Posted - 2014.06.30 10:32:00 -
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Orca cannot do anything with ore except carrying it, rorqual has compression thingy :) I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
137
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Posted - 2014.06.30 10:49:00 -
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Fluffi Flaffi wrote:Director Blackflame wrote:I dont get why people dont just use skiffs the lower output is a better option than getting hulks blown up on a regular basis. Because at least some of the miners can think and calculate. And those you often find in Hulks and Mackinaws. If you use Hulks on a regular Basis they pay for themselves and generate extra profit compared to those stupid skiffs if you use them properly ON A REGULAR BASIS. For serious miners Skiffs and Procurers are an absolute NO-GO! But, nevermind, please all other miners continue using Skiffs and Procurers! Thank you so much! That is decreasing offer, which keeps Prices higher and therefore more income for me :)
http://www.minerbumping.com/2014/06/putting-highsec-to-test.html heres your evidence. Skiffs are pointless and procurers handicap yourself.
Heres the simple truth: anything you undock in highsec can and will be ganked purely for the Lulz. Will kill your orca, will kill you in 4 skiffs will kill you in tanked freighters, dont care and we dont care if they are empty. Gonna kill you anyway cos its fun to watch ships explode and even funnier to read the rage afterwards.
If you want to stay safe as a miner then mine in a mission pocket (easy to get those: run sec mission and mine in the pocket) and use Dscan every 4-5 secs and warp out if you see combat probes. I suggest using a retriever for this as less time running through acceleration gates and less loss if your caught at a station/gate. This is prob as safe as your going to get in eve online. As bored null seccers continue to gank and code grows I consider it inevitable that ganking will continue to rise in activty level. The "head in sand" strategy isnt going to work forever and I want to stress this point TANKING YOUR SHIP WONT HELP YOU OR SAVE YOU: THEY BRING 2 MORE CATS THATS ALL Erotica 1: "I would create a massive pyramid scheme in Eve to show you what it is, but I'm an honest business person, so you'll just have to find education elsewhere. Start with the wiki link that was linked by a person who didn't even read what he linked." Theres a reason I play eve XD |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
638
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Posted - 2014.06.30 10:50:00 -
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Fluffi Flaffi wrote:For serious miners Skiffs and Procurers are an absolute NO-GO!
I still think it is funny anybody could be serious about mining.
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2016
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Posted - 2014.06.30 10:56:00 -
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12 cats killed sh!tfit orca and 10 cats was enough for sh!tfit skiff, more news at 11.
Now show me same numbers of cats on properly fit orca and skiff. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
137
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Posted - 2014.06.30 11:08:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:12 cats killed sh!tfit orca and 10 cats was enough for sh!tfit skiff, more news at 11.
Now show me same numbers of cats on properly fit orca and skiff.
You think they cant do it? cos I think they can. I think at this point any smart miner has to accept they are going to lose their ship at some point and factor its loss into their business model as an operating expense. Thats what Im doing with my badgers. Free Erotica 1 ! Code always wins:-áhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6nALvMTkZs |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2016
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Posted - 2014.06.30 11:40:00 -
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I think there is no chance for 12 cats to explode 260k ehp orca with 80-ish % of resist across the board. Not in hisec at least. That is all I'm saying.
Everything can and will be exploded sooner or later question is whether or not gank squad is looking only for lolz or lolz+drops+kb efficiency. Former has no price but latter is ruled by pure math of maximum gain at minimum cost. And you have better chances for drops when ganking multiple hulks with 2-3 cats each than spend them all on 1 orca. Besides for RP and PR purposes mass murdering hulks is better than proving orca gankable (which doesn't require proof as we already established everything is gankable) I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19415
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Posted - 2014.06.30 14:17:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:I think there is no chance for 12 cats to explode 260k ehp orca with 80-ish % of resist across the board. Not in hisec at least. That is all I'm saying.
The maths agree, in a 0.5 with a Concord time to kill of 19-24 seconds*, it'd require at least 21 600 dps Catalysts at 10M a pop, some people get 700+ with implants I believe.
*depending on if Concord is moved prior to the gank or not, Concord times grabbed from Tippia
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2020
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Posted - 2014.06.30 14:33:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:I think there is no chance for 12 cats to explode 260k ehp orca with 80-ish % of resist across the board. Not in hisec at least. That is all I'm saying.
The maths agree in a 0.5 with a Concord time to kill of 19-24 seconds, depending on whether or not the gankers move Concord prior to the gank, you'd need at least 21 600 dps Catalysts at 10M a pop, some people get 700+ with implants I believe.
And some people fly orca with links :) Again, gankable - of course, profitable - depends, fun factor - priceless :) I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
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