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Kaaeliaa
Ministry of War
536
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Posted - 2014.06.20 07:07:00 -
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Let's talk about Depleted Uranium ammo. As someone that happens to be a part of the nuclear power industry, I'm concerned about the public perception of nuclear power, fissile materials, and nuclear waste. I understand the description of DU ammunition in the game is supposed to be in good fun. However, those with no knowledge of what DU actually is may develop a skewed idea of the nuclear industry that could harm it in the long-term. Considering that nuclear power is the future of large scale power generation, this could have a deleterious effect on its development and deployment.
Depleted uranium is a byproduct of the production of nuclear fuel for use in both reactor cores and weapons. The majority of the mass fraction of DU is comprised of U-238, an isotope of uranium that has only trace radioactivity. It has an enormously long half-life, approximately 4.5 billion years, and thus exposure to DU is not dangerous from a radioactivity standpoint. You will not grow extra limbs, glow in the dark, or inherit superpowers from exposure to DU. The "humourous" quip in the description of DU ammunition in-game is in very poor taste. The controversy surrounding DU is simply because it is toxic - like many other heavy metals, it accumulates in the body and can cause organ failure. However, this is not caused by simply handling it, which the in-game description again implies. Most exposure occurs when DU ammunition hits a target and is sheared into fragments by impact, a process called spalling. Very small particles float in the air, are inhaled or enter the mucous membranes, and can indeed cause health issues. But, aerosolization cannot occur in space.
Please consider updating the description of DU ammunition to be more scientifically accurate. Misinformation is toxic.
Thank you. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1906
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Posted - 2014.06.20 07:08:00 -
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Oh man. Wait till the physicists start on the antimatter ammunition.
The destruction of such a weapon. STOP PHYSICS NOW.... Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
5560
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Posted - 2014.06.20 07:15:00 -
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*Frysquints at OP*
... not sure if serious or trolling. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
Tebizla
35
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Posted - 2014.06.20 07:32:00 -
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I can imagine the discussion OP had regarding this subject with his fellow corpmembers on comms ... Obviously not a forum / spy / market alt ... |
Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union SONS of BANE
282
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Posted - 2014.06.20 07:39:00 -
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So you are concerned about Uranium ammunition getting a (even more) bad reputation?
Original: Medium Projectile Ammo. Very commonly used by Minmatar pilots, this ammo is incendiary and also has great penetration. Just be careful handling it unless you want to wake up with an extra toe on your forehead.
Corrected: Medium Projectile Ammo. Very commonly used by Minmatar pilots, this ammo is incendiary and also has great penetration. Just be careful handling it unless you want to wake up with gulf war syndrome. May include but is not limited to: chronic fatigue/Headache, Memory problems, muscle pain, Diarrhea, Neurological problems, terminal tumors, respiratory problems, post-traumatic stress disorder, chronic multi-symptom illnesses, skin conditions and Arthritis.
I like the original better, it's a bit less depressing. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5528
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Posted - 2014.06.20 07:44:00 -
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Ban Nuclear Ammo
Use only clear, efficient lasers (to burn away unwanted sebiestor filth) "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
916
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Posted - 2014.06.20 07:50:00 -
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* Sends Ramona some lovely extra toe ammunition from 1400s * Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
3043
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Posted - 2014.06.20 07:57:00 -
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Kaaeliaa wrote:Misinformation is toxic.
So is taking yourself too seriously.
"i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5532
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Posted - 2014.06.20 08:06:00 -
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Xearal wrote:Gurgling sounds
Yes dear. Im sure whatever you said made sense in your "language" "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
237
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Posted - 2014.06.20 08:09:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Oh man. Wait till the physicists start on the antimatter ammunition.
The destruction of such a weapon. STOP PHYSICS NOW....
I could send you to the nearest star at pretty decent speed with just one brick of antimatter. Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
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Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
491
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Posted - 2014.06.20 08:22:00 -
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Wow. Just when I thought bullets were supposed to be dangerous, and cause organ failure. They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2121
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Posted - 2014.06.20 08:26:00 -
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Kaaeliaa wrote:Misinformation is toxic. +1 just for that.
"CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1911
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Posted - 2014.06.20 08:30:00 -
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Carniflex wrote:I could send you to the nearest star at pretty decent speed with just one brick of antimatter. Go on then. I dare ya.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
238
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Posted - 2014.06.20 08:59:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Carniflex wrote:I could send you to the nearest star at pretty decent speed with just one brick of antimatter. Go on then. I dare ya.
Handling antimatter can actually make you glow you know. (and not only in dark). As I am pretty happy with my current not particularly glowing state I have to, unfortunately, turn down the offer.
It is, however, relatively easy DIY the launch (in theory).
(1) get to orbit (preferably somewhere beyond Jupiter as I kinda still like Earth) (2) sit in a barrel. one end should be substantially thicker than the other end (not that it will help you much but its the thought that counts). (3) Point the thinner end towards the nearest star. (4) Put the brick of antimatter (few kg should suffice for your purposes) behind the thicker end of the barrel. Release the containment field. (5) Some part of you will be arriving at the nearest star in approx 4 years (if you would have hypothetical observer glued to your head, for outside observers the time might seem a bit longer).
Note that the resulting high energy flash will be sufficient to dissolve all molecular bonds in some radius (depends on what amount of antimatter you are using exactly) which is probably somewhat larger than the barrel you are using. For reference for a regular nuclear explosion in vaccuum the x-ray flash should be able to do in few km radius.
Or you can do it boring way. The controlled reaction of throwing a little bit of antimatter and matter togehter resulting in tiny energy flashes at some interval accelerating and deaccelerating you at relatively safe rates. Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5533
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Posted - 2014.06.20 09:01:00 -
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Carniflex wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Carniflex wrote:I could send you to the nearest star at pretty decent speed with just one brick of antimatter. Go on then. I dare ya. Handling antimatter can actually make you glow you know. (and not only in dark). As I am pretty happy with my current not particularly glowing state I have to, unfortunately, turn down the offer. It is, however, relatively easy DIY the launch (in theory). (1) get to orbit (preferably somewhere beyond Jupiter as I kinda still like Earth) (2) sit in a barrel. one end should be substantially thicker than the other end (not that it will help you much but its the thought that counts). (3) Point the thinner end towards the nearest star. (4) Put the brick of antimatter (few kg should suffice for your purposes) behind the thicker end of the barrel. Release the containment field. (5) Some part of you will be arriving at the nearest star in approx 4 years (if you would have hypothetical observer glued to your head, for outside observers the time might seem a bit longer). Note that the resulting high energy flash will be sufficient to dissolve all molecular bonds in some radius (depends on what amount of antimatter you are using exactly) which is probably somewhat larger than the barrel you are using. For reference for a regular nuclear explosion in vaccuum the x-ray flash should be able to do in few km radius. Or you can do it boring way. The controlled reaction of throwing a little bit of antimatter and matter togehter resulting in tiny energy flashes at some interval accelerating and deaccelerating you at relatively safe rates.
Such a messy way of generating power
Ill take my energy in cube form, thanks "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1316
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Posted - 2014.06.20 09:06:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Ban Nuclear Ammo
Use only clear, efficient lasers (to burn away unwanted sebiestor filth)
When you say it like that I actually get slightly aroused. We should 1vs1 sometime. You know... if you feel like getting dirty that is. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5534
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Posted - 2014.06.20 09:08:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:When you say it like that I actually get slightly aroused. We should 1vs1 sometime. You know... if you feel like getting dirty that is.
<---------- "The Avatar Creator has unfortunately reached its maximum level of Scornful Distaste and must restart" "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4057
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Posted - 2014.06.20 09:23:00 -
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I've changed my ammo type to Exotic dancers way back. Makes quite a mess and takes half your **** when you clean them off. |
lanyaie
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exit Strategy..
1017
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Posted - 2014.06.20 09:37:00 -
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Kaaeliaa wrote: Random stuff
Hey there, I happen to be an engineer. should I tell you what's wrong with eve from my view? Perhaps I should also call my physicist friend to tell you what is wrong with eve from his perspective.
Eve isn't a simulator, if you wan't to play a space simulator go become an astronaut. Hai |
Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3471
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Posted - 2014.06.20 09:43:00 -
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Kaaeliaa wrote:Misinformation is toxic.
Even Neil DeGrasse Tyson isn't this anal. It's only misinformation if it's stated as fact. Since it's a game, ie fictional, it's not being stated as fact, therefore it's not misinformation. It is, in fact, fiction, just like spaceships and warp drives.
But while we're on the subject of the future of nuclear, screw uranium. Thorium ftw. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
[email protected] |
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Kaaeliaa
Ministry of War
541
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Posted - 2014.06.20 09:46:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Kaaeliaa wrote:Misinformation is toxic.
Even Neil DeGrasse Tyson isn't this anal. It's only misinformation if it's stated as fact. Since it's a game, ie fictional, it's not being stated as fact, therefore it's not misinformation. It is, in fact, fiction, just like spaceships and warp drives. But while we're on the subject of the future of nuclear, screw uranium. Thorium ftw.
I agree completely. Molten salt thorium reactors are the best option.
Also, yay my first troll thread. :D |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4058
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Posted - 2014.06.20 09:48:00 -
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SPACESHIPS ARE NOT REAL???? WHAT THE **** MAN??!! |
Tebizla
36
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Posted - 2014.06.20 10:29:00 -
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Kaaeliaa wrote:.
Also, yay my first troll thread. :D
Realizing this was a pointless thread does suck indeed. Especially if you start making excuses.
/thread. Obviously not a forum / spy / market alt ... |
Serene Repose
1396
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Posted - 2014.06.20 10:50:00 -
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omg no. you didn't. okay, since you did....giving depleted uranium a bad name...
"Science" has a very limited comprehension and understanding about the long term effects of radiation. The "amounts" they use for illustrative purposes are essentially arbitrarily chosen. Oddly enough, they've been reduced over time...moreso than say...the effect of radiation.
To sit here and claim to possess authoritative knowledge with regard to how much does what to whom where and how is just as confusing and deceptive as the humorous description in the game. In fact, it is more deceptive as couching rank speculation in the aura of authority does confuse and deceive, whereas a joke just MIGHT.
The fact is, they don't know. The amounts and sorts of radiation available to be exposed to have not been around long enough to even consider there's a body of knowledge that could be seriously called "long-term". The effects of atmospheric content, content in water (the recent debacle in Japan with regard to the ocean) are not known.
It cannot be said if "a lot" or "a little" has been introduced into our ecosystem since Madam Curie. It cannot be honestly said how much of this material has escaped from controlled conditions, it even cannot be said if the so-called controlled conditions are actually as controlled as we are led to believe.
This is all not a joke. AT least EVE's description of it is. And, yes. The entire point of comedy is to laugh at these seriously stupid things. Giving depleted uranium a bad name...I can't believe I read that. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
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CCP Falcon
7559
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Posted - 2014.06.20 10:57:00 -
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Kaaeliaa wrote:Also, yay my first troll thread. :D
Solid 9/10.
Would read again.
<3
CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Manager -á || -á EVE Illuminati
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Arline Kley
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
333
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Posted - 2014.06.20 10:58:00 -
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Given that the Fusion ammunition is magnitudes of power more dangerous than DU - aka throwing STARS at the enemy (and less said about Antimatter the better...) - a little humour about a comically exaggerated reaction to radiation from one of the more commonly known radiactive materials is fine. Blessed are those that carry the Empress' Light; with it they destroy the shadows |
Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3482
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Posted - 2014.06.20 10:59:00 -
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Did you use the word 'science' in inverted commas to indicate you think the science is making stuff up?
Because, there are over two million articles here that suggest science has more than a 'very limited comprehension and understanding of the long term effects of radiation'.
You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
[email protected] |
Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:00:00 -
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Kaaeliaa wrote:Considering that nuclear power is the future of large scale power generation, this could have a deleterious effect on its development and deployment. I'd say having nuclear power plants blow up now and then and causing entire areas to become uninhabitable has a much more deleterious effect than a humorous description in a video game. |
Handar Turiant
University of Caille Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:05:00 -
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*applauds*
Epic trolling is epic.
Almost on par with completely ridiculous rants from the Republican party.
You sir, are a forum star.
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
235
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Posted - 2014.06.20 11:06:00 -
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I demand that CCP changes depleted uranium ammo power to renewable types of ammunition like wind ammo, hydropower ammo, solar ammo and geothermal ammo. That way the space ecosystem will be preserved for future spaceships to space pew. |
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