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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1129
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Posted - 2014.06.23 15:25:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote:The aggressive option is what makes them useful to non drone boats.
It's what get them killed most of the time and then we have people come in here and cry about NPC shooting drones because their lights flew 40k over to attack a frig. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
947
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Posted - 2014.06.23 15:54:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Val'Dore wrote:The aggressive option is what makes them useful to non drone boats. It's what get them killed most of the time and then we have people come in here and cry about NPC shooting drones because their lights flew 40k over to attack a frig. From my experience the aggressive option is useless for light drones on a non drone boat. I've had them go after a battleship 50 km away while ignoring frigates less than 10 km away.
What they are good for is semi AFK with sentry drones while you watch TV or something else. Mention removing any AFK feature of the game and you'll have those who won't be happy. |
Locutus Mind
Viziam Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2014.06.23 19:44:00 -
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i found a reasonable fit for the utilities. 3 Dla's work really nice to salvage and blitz l4s. fit below
4 TACHS 1 bastion 3 dlas
2 tc ii 1 mjd 1 MWD
1 lar ii 2 energy adaptive ii 4 hs ii
riigs blah
blitz missions and salvage in style. I'm considering a nightmare over my paladin but can't justify the isk vs DPs output on the two very nice hulls |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
304
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Posted - 2014.06.23 20:43:00 -
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I don't know if anyone posted it yet, but if you use the search for the Marauder Rebalance thread from back before Rubi was released, you'll find (regretfully, it might take you a while to sift through all the other discussions) a good reason Marauders don't have more with drones. Hell, originally they were getting nerfs to drone bays anyways. With the super-tank and EWAR immunity, I hardly see any reason to really need more drones on Marauders. |
Barton Breau
University of Caille Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2014.07.01 23:15:00 -
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Jacob Holland wrote:I don't want to see Marauders with increased bandwidth, nor a drone Marauder (the Rattlesnake is pretty much where that would have to be and the way the meta levels work the Marauder would have to be worse than the Rattler).
Why is the RS suddenly a argument against a drone marauder and not against the golem?
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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
983
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Posted - 2014.07.01 23:24:00 -
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Barton Breau wrote:Jacob Holland wrote:I don't want to see Marauders with increased bandwidth, nor a drone Marauder (the Rattlesnake is pretty much where that would have to be and the way the meta levels work the Marauder would have to be worse than the Rattler).
Why is the RS suddenly a argument against a drone marauder and not against the golem? Because the Golem isn't a drone boat? LOL |
Barton Breau
University of Caille Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2014.07.02 08:18:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Barton Breau wrote:Jacob Holland wrote:I don't want to see Marauders with increased bandwidth, nor a drone Marauder (the Rattlesnake is pretty much where that would have to be and the way the meta levels work the Marauder would have to be worse than the Rattler).
Why is the RS suddenly a argument against a drone marauder and not against the golem? Because the Golem isn't a drone boat? LOL
The rs also has missiles, in case you didnt hear, didnt read, or didnt comprehend the words, ~50% of its dps comes from them.
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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
640
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Posted - 2014.07.02 10:54:00 -
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Hakaari Inkuran wrote:No, not really, if my drones dont have buffed HP I don't want them flying anywhere they're not explicitly told to go.
Then don't let them. That is why Aggressive is an option.
IIshira wrote:It's not that hard to manually target and press the F key.
It isn't about easy vs hard. And nobody just leaves their drones to do whatever they want, well nobody that cares about optimization anyway. You can always override them.
IIshira wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:
It's what get them killed most of the time and then we have people come in here and cry about NPC shooting drones because their lights flew 40k over to attack a frig.
From my experience the aggressive option is useless for light drones on a non drone boat. I've had them go after a battleship 50 km away while ignoring frigates less than 10 km away. What they are good for is semi AFK with sentry drones while you watch TV or something else. Mention removing any AFK feature of the game and you'll have those who won't be happy.
Part of drone management is knowing when to let them be aggressive and when not to. All taking the option away does is eviscerate their use in many pvp scenarios for non drone boats.
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
785
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Posted - 2014.07.03 17:29:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:Who wants to see doomsday devices on rifters? Ever since tiericide, they've been lackluster. This would definitely bring them back into line. Of course you mean remote aoe doomsday, correct? New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Nad'x Hapax
Hapaxa
54
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Posted - 2014.07.03 20:46:00 -
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Locutus Mind wrote:I would love to shoot out a full flight of sentries in my paladin it makes blitzing that much better. plus what do we put in utility slots now that we have MTU and salvagers?
Blitzing in a Marauder is not blitzing.
MTU+salvage drones instead of Tractors + salvagers(?) is a bad trade.
Use a Marauder when u want to clear and scoop the valuable loot/salvage and use something else for blitzing |
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1228
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Posted - 2014.07.03 21:21:00 -
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Barton Breau wrote:IIshira wrote:Barton Breau wrote:Jacob Holland wrote:I don't want to see Marauders with increased bandwidth, nor a drone Marauder (the Rattlesnake is pretty much where that would have to be and the way the meta levels work the Marauder would have to be worse than the Rattler).
Why is the RS suddenly a argument against a drone marauder and not against the golem? Because the Golem isn't a drone boat? LOL The rs also has missiles, in case you didnt hear, didnt read, or didnt comprehend the words, ~50% of its dps comes from them. So basically you have no reason other than it uses missiles to suggest it would be a better Golem despite its missile side being in every way worse than the Golem missile abilities? |
Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
92
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Posted - 2014.07.03 21:46:00 -
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Nad'x Hapax wrote:Locutus Mind wrote:I would love to shoot out a full flight of sentries in my paladin it makes blitzing that much better. plus what do we put in utility slots now that we have MTU and salvagers? Blitzing in a Marauder is not blitzing. MTU+salvage drones instead of Tractors + salvagers(?) is a bad trade. Use a Marauder when u want to clear and scoop the valuable loot/salvage and use something else for blitzing
MTU and 2 bonused tractors + salvage drones and a salvager in high is a better option than either thing you just listed though. Bonus points if you kill enough frigs on approach that you don't even need to have combat drones out for more than like 15 seconds. |
Anize Oramara
EVE Protection Agency Bloodline.
189
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Posted - 2014.07.03 23:02:00 -
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It's extremely rare for me to ever have drones other than 5 salvage drones out on my Vargur in ANY mission at any point in time. There is a few isolated missions that drop me on top of the gate with frigs at 0 and it's not time efficient to MJD away to kill them and MJD back. Thats the only time I use combat drones on a marauder.
Also spider drones, though it's actually rare that even those needs to be killed at all to complete a mission. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
984
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Posted - 2014.07.03 23:15:00 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:It's extremely rare for me to ever have drones other than 5 salvage drones out on my Vargur in ANY mission at any point in time. There is a few isolated missions that drop me on top of the gate with frigs at 0 and it's not time efficient to MJD away to kill them and MJD back. Thats the only time I use combat drones on a marauder.
Also spider drones, though it's actually rare that even those needs to be killed at all to complete a mission.
Same here... I have them for the just in case moment when all else fails. Of course this isn't exclusive to Marauders. I don't use them on my Navy Raven either. With the new drone aggro system I found it's easier to stick two target painters on a frigate than dealing with drone aggro. NPC's don't even have a pretend targeting delay... They shoot your drones soon as you launch them so it's just not worth it for me.
The only time I use drones on a mission is with my Dominix. |
Barton Breau
University of Caille Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2014.07.04 09:33:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Barton Breau wrote:IIshira wrote:Barton Breau wrote:Jacob Holland wrote:I don't want to see Marauders with increased bandwidth, nor a drone Marauder (the Rattlesnake is pretty much where that would have to be and the way the meta levels work the Marauder would have to be worse than the Rattler).
Why is the RS suddenly a argument against a drone marauder and not against the golem? Because the Golem isn't a drone boat? LOL The rs also has missiles, in case you didnt hear, didnt read, or didnt comprehend the words, ~50% of its dps comes from them. So basically you have no reason other than it uses missiles to suggest it would be a better Golem despite its missile side being in every way worse than the Golem missile abilities?
I am not suggesting it will be a better golem, i am questioning why the rattler is seen as a ~1700 max dps drone boat, but just a ~1000 dps missile boat. |
Janeway84
Masters Of Destiny Pride Before Fall
82
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Posted - 2014.07.04 11:19:00 -
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Cov ops bhalgoorn with drone dmg or a 2nd tier t2 battleship with some cloaky and or warp speed bonuses targeting speed and ewar bonuses. Maybe im just going over the top. |
Lugia3
Intentionally Dense Easily Excited
1001
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Posted - 2014.07.06 15:31:00 -
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Make the Nestor a drone marauder. Let it use the Bastion module, too. "CCP Dolan is full of ****." - CCP Bettik |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
454
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Posted - 2014.07.06 18:03:00 -
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we be so humble.... let's make it full flight of 5 geckos. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
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