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Zaxix
Long Jump.
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Posted - 2014.06.21 08:03:00 -
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In my junior year of high school, one of our history teachers offered a special project to our class. We could do research papers or we could play Diplomacy. It seemed like an easy choice, but it turned out to be a very, very tough week.
If you haven't played Diplomacy, the linked article will explain the rules (plus there's Google). What's amazing about this article, is how closely the discussion of Diplomacy's psychology mirrors the underlying psychology of EVE's metagame. Right down to the pejorative use of "care bears."
http://grantland.com/features/diplomacy-the-board-game-of-the-alpha-nerds/
For those of you who have played, it brings back all of the seething you pent up long ago.
Enjoy! Bokononist
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.06.21 08:12:00 -
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I haven't but I'm certain the good folks over in ope have. o7 doc fury "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.21 08:13:00 -
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We had the nukes landing on Russia by round two. CCP .. always first with the wrong stuff
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Solecist Project
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.21 08:15:00 -
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That sounds like something for me... The case of the bottomless dress. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=349499
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Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.06.21 13:07:00 -
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I don't see it as like EVE's meta game.
In diplomacy, all start even and all at the same time. From there you would negotiate, lie trick, be honest, etc. But it always started "even" by all and the participant count was consistent.
In EVE that is never the case.
As for the game, yes I played it but only a very few times... 3 or 4 games total - VERY long ago and no, I really didn't care for it that much. Lots of deceit and treachery but when you got to know your opponents, it became quite predictable on what they would do in certain situations. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.06.21 13:43:00 -
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If people think EVE is for psychopaths, they haven't played Diplomacy. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.06.21 14:13:00 -
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Mocam wrote:I don't see it as like EVE's meta game.
In diplomacy, all start even and all at the same time. From there you would negotiate, lie trick, be honest, etc. But it always started "even" by all and the participant count was consistent.
In EVE that is never the case.
Hooray for opposite day
(That means the truth is the opposite of what you posted, sorry) "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.21 14:50:00 -
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In high school one of my history classes participated in "Model United Nations" (MUN), and eventually a classmate and I got to go to Berkeley to compete with other schools. The issue at hand was North Korean nuclear proliferation and there would be several committees, including Security Council to resolve the issue.
Each school was assigned a country, picked at random. It was obvious that to have a shot at winning first place we'd need to be North Korea or United States (or one of the G5 so we are guaranteed a seat in Security Council). China would work too. Only these countries would have a chance to make a lasting impression.
We got Finland. Finland wasn't assigned to sit in Security Council. Most of the diplos wouldn't even talk to us because we didn't have anything to do with the matter and didn't have anything to offer. Whatever we said in committees was pretty much ignored. So we spent a couple of hours trying very hard not to be invisible but being totally unseen.
My classmate and I got in a huddle and thought.. what could we do? We were arguing about strategy, maybe talking to one of the arbitrators to giving us some leverage but then my classmate (a guy) looks at me and says.. you know it's mostly guys here. Yeah, so?
There were snack tables and drink carts. We started walking into conversations with snacks as ice breakers. I'd derail conversations with how the pastries taste like dog biscuits or lemon cakes, or how delicious 50/50 Mountain Dew/Pepsi is (and for some reason the discussion would hit a brief snag because nobody believes this is true.. but it's true!). I'd ask to "borrow" people from 2-3 person discussions for things like "I can't find my way to the right committee". And all the while we were sharing worthless anecdotes and trivia, we were relaying information.. because it seemed like doing somebody a small favor or noticing something personal about them also bought me another second or two of trust. And being Finland was the perfect cover for transmitting information between parties who didn't want to be seen talking to each other. Being Finland also was non-threatening and people would hide less things if we'd listen in. We also deliberately misrepresented other countries by proxy (definitely against the rules) because I think we got carried away a little (drunk with meta?).
We were fighting so hard against being invisible, that we didn't realize that being invisible was the best position you could be in. There is no ego to be wrapped up in. No expectations somebody else has of you. And they don't immediately think you're being manipulative, or have a motivation for lying.
We got second place that day, and nobody could believe Finland of all countries had any kind of impact on conditional North Korean disarmament. .. when everything else is gone .. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.06.21 14:52:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:nobody could believe Finland of all countries had any kind of impact on conditional North Korean disarmament.
Finland = Best Country "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Saisin
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.06.21 17:01:00 -
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Diplomas a great game...
Better played with people you are acquainted with, but not true friend with. When you have to backstab a friend to win, your friendship can be strained if your friend does take your betrayal too personally "surrender your ego, be free". innuendo.
solo? There is a new hope http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/2014/05/ok-now-im-betting-man.html |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.06.21 17:16:00 -
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Saisin wrote:Diplomas a great game... Better played with people you are acquainted with, but not true friend with. When you have to backstab a friend to win, your friendship can be strained if your friend does take your betrayal too personally
That, or your wife gets into a fistfight with your grandmother. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
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