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Ozzymandias Duskwalker
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
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Posted - 2014.06.21 08:09:00 -
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Tracking disruption on rats that already neut, web and scramble you is overkill in my opinion and should be removed. what is next? sentry drones? Jamming? SSTC, flying moas before they were cool.
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0rch1d
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
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Posted - 2014.06.21 12:22:00 -
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I don't mind a challenging AI (if it can even be called that.)
PvE is already brutally easy as it is. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.06.21 21:41:00 -
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0rch1d wrote:I don't mind a challenging AI (if it can even be called that.)
PvE is already brutally easy as it is. This^
All factions web and scramble. Each faction has its own form of additional EWAR. The Blood Raider faction is no different.
NPC EWAR is weak on most missions and there are ways to counter it. Missions can be mind numbingly boring so a little EWAR makes things interesting. |
0rch1d
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:04:00 -
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At least from my own perspective, achieving the correct range eliminates most - if not all - EWAR complaints.
Depends on how you like to mission, but you can always fit an MJD, and as soon as you warp in, align away from the rats (upward tends to be useful, if you warp into the middle of them), and then punch the MJD. This takes no time at all. Not much can touch you 120km out, and with sebos + range script you can up the range. You can kill things way the hell out and not even get a scratch.
Using a missile boat like a CNR (or even a standard Raven fit properly) is how you easyboat missions. Range will always save your ass.
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Ozzymandias Duskwalker
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
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Posted - 2014.06.22 05:40:00 -
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Ah I failed to mention I'm talking mostly about blood raider signatures in low sec and null sec. Obviously missions are nothing to complain about but the exploration sites are brutal, trust me. SSTC, flying moas before they were cool.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
865
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Posted - 2014.06.22 05:42:00 -
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Or move to Minimatar Space and fight Angels and the occasional Serpentis. Angels have sucky EWAR you can mostly ignore it.
EDIT: missed the post about exploration sites :D |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2014.06.22 05:51:00 -
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Ozzymandias Duskwalker wrote:Ah I failed to mention I'm talking mostly about blood raider signatures in low sec and null sec. Obviously missions are nothing to complain about but the exploration sites are brutal, trust me.
Did a Minor Annex eat you alive? Don't do that one.
Otherwise there's really very little tracking disruption. Powergrid, I guess, but beyond that.... Certainly not an issue in rated sites. |
Ozzymandias Duskwalker
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
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Posted - 2014.06.22 06:01:00 -
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try doing the 3/10 Blood raider DED. The TD isn't terrible in it. It's just that there are about 30 TD frigates in each of the 5 rooms, there are basically only two ways to do a blood raider site safely: Passive tanked like a boss or kiting at decent distances away from neutralizer range. all of this while using non-turret weaponry.
So yeah you'd have to use Tengu or Gila. Maybe Ishtar. don't you think that's a bit restrictive? Id like to be able to use a beam legion for example or a rail Proteus. That way i stay out of neut range and still use guns. But nope, Tracking disruption pretty much makes it impossible. SSTC, flying moas before they were cool.
SSTC is now recruiting! we have lvl 5 mission fleets, incursion fleets, mining fleets, camping fleets, lolfleets, whyisthisguyfcing? fleets, 'zzZzZZzzzz' fleets (POS and POCO bashing) and exploration fleets!. |
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
2106
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Posted - 2014.06.22 06:28:00 -
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Ozzymandias Duskwalker wrote:try doing the 3/10 Blood raider DED. The TD isn't terrible in it. It's just that there are about 30 TD frigates in each of the 5 rooms, there are basically only two ways to do a blood raider site safely: Passive tanked like a boss or kiting at decent distances away from neutralizer range. all of this while using non-turret weaponry.
So yeah you'd have to use Tengu or Gila. Maybe Ishtar. don't you think that's a bit restrictive? Id like to be able to use a beam legion for example or a rail Proteus. That way i stay out of neut range and still use guns. But nope, Tracking disruption pretty much makes it impossible.
You can't get a T3 into a 3/10 anyhow. And seriously, the higher level rated sites don't have a serious TD problem.
Yes, there is significant TD in the 3/10. A Stratios also shreds it in no time flat. There are ways to handle it. I seriously don't think it's as big a problem as you're making it out to be. |
Ozzymandias Duskwalker
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
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Posted - 2014.06.22 06:42:00 -
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I used a punisher with beams to beat the 3/10. easy as hell so I'm not making out to be impossible. I'm stating that in comparison to other rat types, Blood Raiders have too many tricks they can throw at you at higher levels of difficulty. SSTC, flying moas before they were cool.
SSTC is now recruiting! we have lvl 5 mission fleets, incursion fleets, mining fleets, camping fleets, lolfleets, whyisthisguyfcing? fleets, 'zzZzZZzzzz' fleets (POS and POCO bashing) and exploration fleets!. |
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Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2014.06.22 13:48:00 -
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All pirate factions have neut towers anyway, all factions web and scramble, meh. |
Sarin Gaston
Free Stone Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.06.23 09:41:00 -
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Ozzymandias Duskwalker wrote:try doing the 3/10 Blood raider DED. The TD isn't terrible in it. It's just that there are about 30 TD frigates in each of the 5 rooms, there are basically only two ways to do a blood raider site safely: Passive tanked like a boss or kiting at decent distances away from neutralizer range. all of this while using non-turret weaponry.
So yeah you'd have to use Tengu or Gila. Maybe Ishtar. don't you think that's a bit restrictive? Id like to be able to use a beam legion for example or a rail Proteus. That way i stay out of neut range and still use guns. But nope, Tracking disruption pretty much makes it impossible. ummm...i've blwon through them with a veng and a vexor navy...and a coercer...blood raider 3/10s are a cake walk so are 4/10s if you fly the right boat |
Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2023
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Posted - 2014.06.23 11:19:00 -
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if only tracking disruptors on blood raiders were the only problem with pve in eve...
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings" -MXZF |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6820
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Posted - 2014.06.23 14:03:00 -
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Ozzymandias Duskwalker wrote:Tracking disruption on rats that already neut, web and scramble you is overkill in my opinion and should be removed. what is next? sentry drones? Jamming?
Blood Raiders have TD for the exact same reason Sanshas do: TD is the racial EWAR for Amarr , Sansha and BRs are Amarr pirates. The neuting that Bloods do (and neuting is NOT EWAR) is basically for lore continuity reasons and to make them different from sansha. Blood Raiders don't Tracking Disrupt near as much as sanshas do, and neuts are very short ranged thus easy to deal wtih.
I've completed every single Blood Raider Complex solo despite the neuts and AI switching (dual XLASB Vargur can do the Blood 10/10), without the neuts, blood complexes would be the same kind of crap as all the others ie way to easy. |
Chenguang Hucel-Ge
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.23 14:58:00 -
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Guristas got permajam. Why Bloods shouldn't have something as powerful as permajam? |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
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Posted - 2014.06.23 20:36:00 -
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Technically, Blood Raider neuts (well, NOS with neut-like properties) are not EWAR. So, Blood Raiders use no more methods of EWAR than any other rat type, save for Rogue Drones.
More to the underlining point the OP is trying to convey, while Blood Raiders still have both tracking disruption AND Neuts, their neuts are really no less an obstacle than say Angel Cartel's lower sig and higher speed or Gurista's ability to apply nearly all of their dps regardless of range. I still think Gurista's are much more anoying and, I dare say, even threatening with their EWAR than any other rat type. |
That Forum Belike
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.06.23 23:47:00 -
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Them bloods ain't no joke homie. Best come strapped if you tryin' to claim they cornbread. |
Auduin Samson
Do not disturb Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2014.06.24 12:51:00 -
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Ozzymandias Duskwalker wrote:what is next? sentry drones? Jamming?
Clearly you've never been to Gurista space.
You just lost your ship The tears will fuel my spaceship Go quit Eve again
-Bane Nucleus-á |
Bastion Arzi
Dat Tax
107
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Posted - 2014.06.24 13:20:00 -
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use a td immune weapons system? |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.24 21:54:00 -
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TD is really frustrating, but without it the missions would become even easier than they already are... One pirate faction that needs fixing is Angel Cartel who uses Target Painters that does absolutely nothing. |
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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
952
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Posted - 2014.06.24 22:23:00 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:TD is really frustrating, but without it the missions would become even easier than they already are... One pirate faction that needs fixing is Angel Cartel who uses Target Painters that does absolutely nothing. Target Painters should cause incoming damage to be increased. I would imagine this would affect T3's more than battleships.
TD can be avoided by keeping range or just using a missile ship. |
Treborr MintingtonJr
Quantum Reality R n D Spaceship Samurai
215
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Posted - 2014.06.25 09:25:00 -
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I can do blood raider 3/10s in a kiting Enyo, yeah the TD is insane when you first aggro the rats but afterwards it gets reduced with only 1 or 2 tracking distrupting you. Then its pretty much lock pop lock pop lock pop etc. |
Goochan derp
Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance
8
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Posted - 2014.06.27 22:40:00 -
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i agree, they definately should not have TD's, thats already sanshas thing, they should have stealth bombers with void bombs instead |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
507
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Posted - 2014.06.27 22:43:00 -
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Missiles, drones, bastion mode, friends; problem solved. |
Bland Inquisitor
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
81
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Posted - 2014.06.28 11:36:00 -
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Ozzymandias Duskwalker wrote:Tracking disruption on rats that already neut, web and scramble you is overkill in my opinion and should be removed. what is next? sentry drones? Jamming?
Challenge is good |
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