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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:02:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: *chuckles* "the higher joys of EVE"? Mining? Are you nuts?
Obviously a concept to high for you to understand.
Quote: Because there is such a thing as doing it wrong. Being afk in open space is doing it wrong. And since this is a sandbox, and I can do as I please within the rules of the game, I blow up other players.
No objection. Surprised?
"Eve is not about +permantly+ shooting the weakest." Note the emphasis. If you do nothing else, you are doing it wrong.
Quote: EVE is a sandbox. It's about whatever I want it to be about. And for me, it's about blowing people up. It just makes it easier that so many of them refuse to do anything to defend themselves.
They play how they like it, so what. They might be ganked for that.
Quote:Quote: I am not against ganking.
That's not true from where I'm standing. trying to UNDER stand would help. Forum Main |
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:04:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:La Rynx wrote:Lazyness is another human trade, a trade thats more a reason for "only-gankers". To lazy to build hunting fleets. Do you mean "trait"?
Yes. Got lost in translation Forum Main |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5641
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:06:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Great corp name btw.
Thank you :)
It was Ma'Baker McCandless' idea, I can't take the credit "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5641
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:07:00 -
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La Rynx wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:La Rynx wrote:Lazyness is another human trade, a trade thats more a reason for "only-gankers". To lazy to build hunting fleets. Do you mean "trait"? Yes. Got lost in translation
No problem
So anyway, back to what I was asking
I don't know what shooting a bear has to do with EvE, can you tell me please? "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5298
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:08:00 -
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La Rynx wrote:Already running in circles. Forcing Players to quit EvE is griefing. And its not CCPs thing to redefine the common term Griefer. Whatever: Surly CCP is not happy when some players force other players to play something else.
So far only one person in this thread has stated that his sole intention for ganking is to gank people until they quit the game. A common misconception is that this is the standard attitude among gankers. Do you honestly think that we would intentionally try to destroy a game that we actually enjoy playing?
In terms of griefing in EVE, only CCP's definition of the word holds any weight at all & only CCP can decide when a particular act has been taken too far, until then you're just arguing semantics. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1936
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:13:00 -
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La Rynx wrote:...Forcing Players to quit EvE is griefing... ...Whatever: Surly CCP is not happy when some players force other players to play something else.
So in your Opinion CCP has to decide what griefing is and you and other players decide which players should play eve? Forced is probably not the best choice of words, since nothing that is done is EvE, forces anyone else to do anything.
Everything we do in the game, including the decision to continue to play or not, is a choice, not a forced action.
Players who chose to quit rather than adjust to the environment, probably made the right decision for them; and also possibly made the right decision for the game. Hopefully though they come back at some point in the future and are able to accept the harshness of the environment.
As to the issue of griefing, CCP have defined what grief play is in the context of EvE. They haven't tried to redefine the meaning for other games, however EvE is not like many other games. It's heavily driven by conflict between players and the ability of anyone to interact with anyone else.
Griefer is an often used in the forum, but in the context of EvE it doesn't apply. There is a clear policy from CCP on griefing and ganking is not griefing, it's just gameplay. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
87
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:14:00 -
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Ganking is a tool to teach miners how not to fit a ship, how to act in a pvp game, and how not to talk about your powerful friends in nullsec. |
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
1873
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:14:00 -
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La Rynx wrote:
Eve is not about +permantly+ shooting the weakest.
Yes it is.
It always has been.
From Sov-level warfare, to a roaming gang.
People go for the weakest, in all areas of space. The cloaker hunts ratters. The gatecamping low-seccers link up for max scan res, and pop, pop, pop. Or sit around gates with smartbombs. And in highsec you have the corp thieves, the heist guys, and the gankers...who feed on carebears.
But it is not a matter of shooting the weakest. It is a matter of not learning and continuing to be the weakest.
Why can't carebears who literally live an existence of self-masochism, never solving their sole problems in game, not grasp this?
Why do they come to the forums, ranting, causing unnecessary changes, that will only end in the Trammelization of HS, or it's blatant non-existence?
Why do they scream, yell, and stomp their feet when their barge with ORE Miners and DS tank mods gets popped?
Or the missioneers whose unnecessarily over-blinged ships can pay for 6-12 months of my game time?
Why can these people not grasp why they are being popped?
Could it be...
That they, themselves, have made it to where they are permanently the weakest?
Y'know...
Food for thought. Hard, I know.
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19166
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:14:00 -
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La Rynx wrote: And its not CCPs thing to redefine the common term Griefer.
When it comes to their intellectual property, yes CCP are the only people that get to define griefing, they are on record as saying that things considered griefing in other games are legitimate gameplay in Eve
Quote:Whatever: Surly CCP is not happy when some players force other players to play something else. CCP know that they lose players due to the nature of Eve, they knew it on launch, and they still know it. Eve is a niche game, as such it's not designed to appeal to the masses.
Quote:So in your Oppinion CCP has to decide what griefing is and you and other players decide which players should play eve? At the risk of repeating myself, yes to the first part, it's their IP, their rules, their definitions. With regards to the second part, I don't gank, haven't done so in 18 months. I shoot at NPCs, I mine, I sell stuff, in short I'm a bear, what I am not is a carebear, I know that I'm playing a PvP game, as such I take steps to protect myself from others.
Quote:Shooting miners dosn't make you strong. Lazyness is another human trade, a trade thats more a reason for "only-gankers". To lazy to build hunting fleets. I never said that shooting miners makes you strong, what I actually said was:
"If the weak could be bothered to take precautions against getting shot and use the tools available to them, which incidentally is a good example of how to play Eve, they wouldn't get shot"
Miners choosing to be weak is their problem, they have the exact same tools as the gankers, they choose not to use them and be weak.
Groups of people who coordinate to hunt others in a spaceship game with underwater physics are by definition a fleet
Quote:No my posts don't say otherwise. Either you missunderstand me or you deliberatly missinterpret me. If minerganking is your main buisiness in EvE YOU are doing soimething wrong in EvE. Firstly, I can read and comprehend just fine thanks, your posts have a very definite anti-ganker slant to them, I'm not alone in interpreting them that way. Secondly. miner ganking isn't my main business in Eve, as I stated above I don't gank. My main business in Eve is to have fun, and no I'm not doing it wrong.
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
Iain Cariaba
In Over Our Heads
70
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:28:00 -
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La Rynx wrote:If minerganking is your main buisiness in EvE YOU are doing soimething wrong in EvE. What, exactly, is wrong with miner ganking? Every miner has a choice between mining in safety or mining for max profit. If a miner mines for max profit, than he should expect to be ganked. On the otherhand, if a miner mines in safety, than he doesn't have to continually replace expensive mining barges and exhumers, so makes more isk in the long run.
As for anyone making another player quit because they got ganked, if a player cannot come to grips with the fact that they are a target any time they are undocked, then they are not cut out for EvE. Remember the quote by one of CCP's big wigs, can't remember which one, when he said the following:
EvE is not meant to resemble a cold, harsh, cruel world. It is meant to be a cold, harsh, cruel world.
Trying to make it anything else just detracts from the fact that, with very few exceptions, there is no wrong in Eve.
La Rynx wrote:I am not against ganking. Your above quote says otherwise. If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong. |
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Doreen Kaundur
597
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:36:00 -
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CCP, show miners some love. Please.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
1318
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:39:00 -
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La Rynx wrote:Already running in circles. Forcing Players to quit EvE is griefing. And its not CCPs thing to redefine the common term Griefer.
No-one's forcing them to quit. That said, if they realise that they're unable to cope with the consequences of their actions in a video game, not playing that game any more is a mature and sensible choice.
As for the rules of the game, it's absolutely CCP's place to say what they are, including definitions. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
1804
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:41:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Mag's wrote:I'm seriously thinking of coming back and joining in. Not sure which corp would have me though. Well my rules are; 1) Dont expect any corp memebers but me online 2) Be a McCandless However, I hear that security checks are very weak in a lot of hate-bear corps these days I would awox you, but consequences. .. when everything else is gone .. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5641
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:44:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Mag's wrote:I'm seriously thinking of coming back and joining in. Not sure which corp would have me though. Well my rules are; 1) Dont expect any corp memebers but me online 2) Be a McCandless However, I hear that security checks are very weak in a lot of hate-bear corps these days I would awox you, but consequences.
You should see a McCandless family Christmas dinner
We have to cut the turkey with spoons due to "safety concerns" "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7372
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:52:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:La Rynx wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: I think you have quoted the wrong post there, hunny
no! Sorry then youve lost me, Im not sure what you are getting at Something about how we should be killing more bears. I'm seriously thinking of coming back and joining in. Not sure which corp would have me though.
I've been considering bringing back my wardec corp, to be honest with you. It was a lot of fun, and I now have locators available for more than just this guy. Might get his killboard green for once. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19176
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:52:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote: You should see a McCandless family Christmas dinner
We have to cut the turkey with spoons due to "safety concerns"
Having seen Billy's posting I'm surprised that you allow him anywhere near spoons
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5642
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:54:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: You should see a McCandless family Christmas dinner
We have to cut the turkey with spoons due to "safety concerns"
Having seen Billy's posting I'm surprised that you allow him anywhere near spoons
He sits at the kid's table
I say table, its more of a trough
Besides, he doesnt need a knife
All his food is blended into a thick paste "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
7374
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:00:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote: All his food is blended into a thick paste
On account of having no teeth, if I recall correctly? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19182
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:00:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:He sits at the kid's table
I say table, its more of a trough
Besides, he doesnt need a spoon
All his food is blended into a thick paste Is this a documentary about the McCandless Clan?
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5647
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:02:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: All his food is blended into a thick paste
On account of having no teeth, if I recall correctly?
Well.... not entirely true
He has what other might describe as teeth
But they are made out of fragments of Steve "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5647
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:03:00 -
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You wanna secure that ****, Hudson "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19182
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:04:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:You wanna secure that ****, Hudson I couldn't resist, you left yourself wide open for that
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5647
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:06:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:You wanna secure that ****, Hudson I couldn't resist, you left yourself wide open for that
I know lol
Fortunately, I am an Amarr trueborn and thusly immune to the deformities that plague the other, less genetically-perfect relations "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
1882
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:07:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:You wanna secure that ****, Hudson
Whoa, whoa, whoa...
Ramona, chill.
Look at it this way.
A character study of the McCandless Clan has now become far more interesting than the OP.
Take pride in that.
Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5303
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:10:00 -
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Yes, unlike the love they've been shown every single patch for the last 5 years. Lets buff miners some more because they're too lazy to utilize the tools available which have unironically been buffed to make them more attractive. Nope, still not good enough. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
1322
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:14:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Yes, unlike the love they've been shown every single patch for the last 5 years. Lets buff miners some more because they're too lazy to utilize the tools available which have unironically been buffed to make them more attractive. Nope, still not good enough.
When I can take my max-yield barge into VFK and mine your sov away from you all on my own, that will be the day miners are shown enough love. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12106
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:16:00 -
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admiral root wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Yes, unlike the love they've been shown every single patch for the last 5 years. Lets buff miners some more because they're too lazy to utilize the tools available which have unironically been buffed to make them more attractive. Nope, still not good enough. When I can take my max-yield barge into VFK and mine your sov away from you all on my own, that will be the day miners are shown enough love.
They gave you a cov ops miner for such things. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5654
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:18:00 -
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KnowUsByTheDead wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:
You wanna secure that ****, Hudson
Whoa, whoa, whoa... Ramona, chill. Look at it this way. A character study of the McCandless Clan has now become far more interesting than the OP. Take pride in that.
I am chill, we were just joshing
Ask Jonah, he and me are tight, y'all "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19186
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:21:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:I am chill, we were just joshing
Ask Jonah, he and me are tight, y'all
Confirming that we poke fun at each other on the forum for giggles, it's all good.
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
1324
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:24:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:admiral root wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Yes, unlike the love they've been shown every single patch for the last 5 years. Lets buff miners some more because they're too lazy to utilize the tools available which have unironically been buffed to make them more attractive. Nope, still not good enough. When I can take my max-yield barge into VFK and mine your sov away from you all on my own, that will be the day miners are shown enough love. They gave you a cov ops miner for such things.
Are you kidding? With those paltry yields I'd have to get friends to help me. What kind of multiplayer game are you trying to sell me here? No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
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