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Artuff Dube
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.21 13:19:00 -
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So my friend is very determined in getting a stealth bomber for pvp. i want to get a ship to help him out. was thinking i should get a assault frigate so he can scout i warp to him engage target at closer rang and point them while he bombs from afar. i have no idea if this is a good idea or should i get another stealth bomber and join him? |
L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
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Posted - 2014.06.21 15:00:00 -
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Depends on what and where your hunting.
For example: your buddy in a stealth bomber fitted with rockets and a scram can ambush explorers in scanned down sites while you rat belts in an assault frigate, both being able to warp to the other if something tasty comes after either of you...
Or, you can both fit bomb launchers and stealth bombers and go ambush some null sec pipe or ratting systems etc
Or, you can even fly heavier ships like cruisers, join FW, and help your buddy do FW missions in his stealth bomber but this time your more the bait in the bigger ship..
What was your plan? |
Artuff Dube
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.21 17:43:00 -
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I would not mind getting a bomber. I was hesitant about that because i was not sure that together we would have enough dps together to destroy targets before they killed us. |
L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
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Posted - 2014.06.21 18:14:00 -
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Honestly, you'll have a tough time with two bombers unless you actually bomb things in null, but it is doable.. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2014.06.22 20:58:00 -
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L'ouris wrote:Honestly, you'll have a tough time with two bombers unless you actually bomb things in null, but it is doable.. Anything smaller than a battleship will toast a bomber, and if the battleship uses drones that's sure death too.
Bombers really only work in numbers, or with really stupid targets. |
Alex Hackle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:30:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:L'ouris wrote:Honestly, you'll have a tough time with two bombers unless you actually bomb things in null, but it is doable.. Anything smaller than a battleship will toast a bomber, and if the battleship uses drones that's sure death too. Bombers really only work in numbers, or with really stupid targets. You may be able to catch the occasional ratting tengu, as long as you bring 3-4 people, but only if the pilot is careless or a badly written bot. |
Obsidian Engima
Enigma Corporation
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:10:00 -
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I'd recommend against flying a stealth bomber. I had the same idea too when I first started and after awhile, I realized that 1 or 2 stealth bombers have a VERY limited target selection. It's not impossible, but you will find yourself flying very frequently looking for targets more so than actually shooting them. Find out why your friend likes the stealth bomber and come back here and let us know. Maybe we can suggest some better ships to fly to accommodate his style. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.06.23 00:03:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:L'ouris wrote:Honestly, you'll have a tough time with two bombers unless you actually bomb things in null, but it is doable.. Anything smaller than a battleship will toast a bomber, and if the battleship uses drones that's sure death too. Bombers really only work in numbers, or with really stupid targets.
I once bombed a noctis in null together with a corpmate, he died.
The fun part, we had eyes on his ratting carrier for a while (no use to bomb a carrier with 2 bombers and we didn't have any cyno characters near).
So we waited...and waited.
And here he comes in his Noctis, escorted by his CEO in his Drake.
We carefully moved into place (damn wrecks everywhere) and bombed the living **** out of him (2 bombs + 2 torpedo volleys did the job).
He then raged in local, first at us, then at his CEO for not protecting him. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Ovv Topik
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.23 08:27:00 -
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Not to contradict the advice above, but a double web, TP Hyena would be a natural compliment to a single SB.
Anything that cant hit out to 23km should die. I'd put small AC's on the Hyena to deal with up to a few drones. "Jita 4 4 Spaceport. You will not find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy. We must be cautious!" |
Artuff Dube
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.23 16:05:00 -
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ya i don't think i'm going to fly one. i think i will go assault frigate any recommendations? |
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Praxis Ginimic
Whine T3ar Brewery
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Posted - 2014.06.24 01:16:00 -
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I would suggest bombers bar. There is another free fleet bomber crew that broke off of bombers bar although I don't the name.
That said, I would suggest an inti over an AF |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.06.24 01:49:00 -
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Praxis Ginimic wrote:I would suggest bombers bar. There is another free fleet bomber crew that broke off of bombers bar although I don't the name.
That said, I would suggest an inti over an AF
Bombers bar is now defunct:
http://i.imgur.com/qeYpwSA.png Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Artuff Dube
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.24 14:08:00 -
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why would you recommend a inti over assault? i know assault is slower but they have better armor and i thought they could hold there own more in a small gang or solo pvp better? |
L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
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Posted - 2014.06.24 20:22:00 -
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Artuff Dube wrote:why would you recommend a inti over assault? i know assault is slower but they have better armor and i thought they could hold there own more in a small gang or solo pvp better?
Inties can be harder to force an engagement from (I.e. You can run away in one pretty easy) that and bubble immunity in null is why they are all the rage these days.
They really fill a different role than the assault frigs, but the ability to run away is a cherished one at the frigate level.
Whatever fits your play style better. Kite and plink or lock and load. Honestly most folk do both at some point or another if only to try them out... Pick one and give it a go.
Can't go wrong too bad, just stay away from the raptor in the inty lineup. Honestly can't think of a terrible assault frig these days.
Picking the right frigate hull is more about finding the hull that performs what you've already decided to do best. Putting some thought in that and trying the styles in T1 hulls is the usual advice. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.06.25 00:23:00 -
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Artuff Dube wrote:why would you recommend a inti over assault? i know assault is slower but they have better armor and i thought they could hold there own more in a small gang or solo pvp better?
You are making the big mistake that thinking more shield/armor = harder to kill.
The inty has some great bonuses to tackling (what you are there for), bonus to using the MWD and above all SPEED. Get under guns and you can actually be invulnerable if done properly. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
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Posted - 2014.06.25 21:36:00 -
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I would like the OP to know you can actually successfully solo in a bomber, or play with your friend. Take into account that bombers have 0 lock time delay when cloaking. Take into account that people running data/relic sites have low EHP and usually very few offensive methods, if at all. Also consider you can just as well ignore the other ship bonusses, fit one with autocannons or rockets, and stalk those sites. If you ambush people like this in a group context, you can actually bait people doing the very same thing, or run the sites themselves for ISK. Combined with the drops gained from killing T2 exploration ships you might actually make a nice profit once every while.
This is essentially ganking without the suicide bit, it's fun for a while but it's hardly enthralling PVP to be honest. Then again, Sister Probe Launchers still fetch a nice price on the market and you will set back competitors by a great deal if you catch a T2 or an Astero. The latter you migth not wish to take on solo though, as a bomber won't survive drones for long.
I once killed a ratting Tempest inside an anomaly by having a friend warp in and give him a few artillery shots from outside disruption range. It was enough to lower his shields somewhat to let me kill him in a torpedo-fit Hound in a few volleys. I left that fight in structure, the anomaly rats beating me to a pulp while his drones were being recalled to engage me. On another occasion I murdered a Naga solo which was sitting 80km off it's fleet at a structure bash (apart from the Talos, no ABC has a drone bay). Kills like that will be few and far between, but they feel damn good to pull off.
Just make sure you can also fly other ships. Bombers are fun, but they demand some creativity for solo play. |
Justin Zaine
Unexploded Ordnance
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Posted - 2014.07.01 05:52:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:L'ouris wrote:Honestly, you'll have a tough time with two bombers unless you actually bomb things in null, but it is doable.. Anything smaller than a battleship will toast a bomber, and if the battleship uses drones that's sure death too. Bombers really only work in numbers, or with really stupid targets.
Right and wrong.
There are plenty of targets available for you as a SB pilot, many of which are smaller than BS's. The thing is that most of those targets are either fail fits or noobs performing at 1/10th of their optimal ability. It's pretty safe to say that a competent pilot in nearly any ship class other than an indy will kick your arse solo, but then again, we don't fly solo bombers to attack well fit competent pvp pilots.
SB's have amazing traits that make them better than any other cloaked ship for this kind of work. Cost effectiveness, fast align, fast warp, small sig radius and zero targeting delay are just a few of these. You may not have a full appreciation for that lack of targeting delay right now because you haven't flown any other cloaked ships that have one, but never underestimate it - It's uber powerful and allows you to catch your opponent with his pants around his ankles every single time, provided you packed enough points to prevent a warp.
Given the amount of fail fits and noobs drifting around null and w-space, it really isn't that hard to find acceptable targets. Having said that, a bomber pilot's greatest asset is in knowing his ships engagement profile. His next greatest asset is patience. The runner up to that is paranoia, and the willingness to GTFO if things aren't going exactly the way you want them to.
Watch out for drones. And missiles. If you're speedy as **** (And you should be getting at least 2km/s at a 20-ish km orbit) then their drones and/or missiles will have a harder time tracking/hitting you. Speed isn't usually enough though, making learning your engagement profile and timing of attack a priority.
In my experience, what hunting in a bomber really comes down to is knowing your target as much as possible. Not just his ship, but the player in the cockpit. You have to be able to determine what his ship fitting is in order to decide whether or not to engage, and getting a rough idea about his SP level is very helpful. Sometimes it's easy, other times it takes patience. Observation.
I'm gonna stop rambling now. You may have noticed that I like flying bombers. Hopefully this was a little more info for you, and if you want any more advice just mail me here or in game. To answer your question, I think that the both of you would have a great time flying bombers together. A dual bomb drop and a few subsequent volleys can cause a **** load of damage, and you'll both be on the same track, learning the same things and having the same experiences while you do it. Are there more "Optimal" ship combinations for dps/tackling ability/inty? Yes. But I say that if fun is what you're looking for, there are few things in Eve more fun than doing small gang ops in bombers.
o7 How the **** do I remove this thing |
Warhammer Gibson
Mining Bay inc SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.01 14:52:00 -
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Get the stealth bomber, tons of fun! |
Artuff Dube
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.02 02:27:00 -
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i have been listening to your advice and i am going to get one and fly with a small squad we are going to hunt explorers and small ships what kinda of fit would you recommend? and should i use torpedoes or rockets? im going to fly nemesis |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.07.02 03:13:00 -
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If you are going after other frigates, choice isn't too hard...rockets or light missiles.
Torpedoes are battleship sized weapons and thus will deal very reduced damage against other frigates. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
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Justin Zaine
Unexploded Ordnance
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Posted - 2014.07.10 07:58:00 -
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Quote:what kinda of fit would you recommend? and should i use torpedoes or rockets? im going to fly nemesis
Torps. Torps. Torps. Never rockets. I mean, if you want to, go right ahead. Play the way it's fun and all that...but you really shouldn't be hunting frigs or dessy's in bombers. It's not conventional, and there's a good reason for that.
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Delt0r Garsk
Sanctuary of Shadows Honorable Third Party
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Posted - 2014.07.13 14:26:00 -
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Rockets/Light missiles are really only any good against solo explorers in exploring ships. Anything else and they are a waste of time.
Torps against anything smaller than a cruiser is a waste of time without a lot of bombers and/or target painters. Unless of course the frig pilots leave on the MWD.
Bomb runs are even harder to make work, and really you want +5 bombers to be able to pop things really.
However if your prepared to try and try again. Bombers can still be a lot of fun. You have to know that its a glass cannon that does high DPS to BC and BS sized ships. Bombs are similar with area damage. But a fleet of 20+ bombers can melt just about anything fast. 50+ can even finish of triage carriers pretty quickly.
Hot dropping is even more fun. Lots of waiting around, then boom HVTs are dying. Spectre Fleet doesn't run cloaky fleets as much as the old Bombers Bar did. But we try and have some. Like one or two a week. The trick here is you always have some support recon ships. Can really make even a small gang very effective.
Join the channel "Spectre Fleet" for more info, and just general help will all things bombers. |
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