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Doreen Kaundur
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:35:00 -
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In response to: Ganking miners - What do you get from it?
Miners are at a terrible disadvantage in EVE. The dilemma, how to maximize your mining output while protecting yourself from lulz gankers.
In the world of predator vs prey, EVE favors the predator every time.
I can prove it: Auto WTZ will never be implemented. Why? Not because it makes it easier for the prey, but because it makes it harder for the predator.
Since mining ships have virtually no offensive capabilities, they should have major defensive ones IMO, mining ships should be as heavily tanked as Deep Space Transports.
Also, IGÇÖve notice there are no hard launcher points on mining ships....I cant fit missiles. So mining ships are left intentionally squishy.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:40:00 -
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For some time now I've suspected that the OP is Tom Gerard. This thread makes me certain of it. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:41:00 -
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Doreen Kaundur wrote: mining ships are left intentionally squishy.
Procurer hull
Therefore, no "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Doreen Kaundur
597
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:43:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Doreen Kaundur wrote: mining ships are left intentionally squishy. Procurer hull Therefore, no
Wow.....one whole mining ship.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19176
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:47:00 -
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Every other ship has to sacrifice something to be able to do something else, why should mining ships be any different?
Quote:in the world of predator vs prey, EVE nature favors the predator every time. FTFY
Quote:I can prove it: Auto WTZ will never be implemented. Why? Not because it makes it easier for the prey, but because it makes it harder for the predator. Nope it'll never be implemented because it's a shite idea
Quote:Since mining ships have virtually no offensive capabilities, they should have major defensive ones IMO, mining ships should be as heavily tanked as Deep Space Transports. Skiffs and Procurers, together they make up nearly 30% of the mining barges and exhumers currently available.
Quote:Also, IGÇÖve notice there are no hard launcher points on mining ships....I cant fit missiles. So mining ships are left intentionally squishy. There's these things called drones, they fit in the drone bay every mining vessel is equipped with, they shoot at stuff.
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KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:47:00 -
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Doreen Kaundur wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Doreen Kaundur wrote: mining ships are left intentionally squishy. Procurer hull Therefore, no Wow.....one whole mining ship.
Two.
Forgot the Skiff...
Which also...
Has this nifty bonus to...
Drones, which is...
A weapon system.
Tank, weapon system, and still able to mine.
Hmmmmm.......
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Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:48:00 -
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Did you miss the buff the the procurer hull? 50% drone damage and HP.
Also for everything the trade off is tank vs gank, if your case gank is mining yield. [url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=353416&find=unread[/url] |
Doreen Kaundur
597
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:49:00 -
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Why is it that those most opposed to mining buffs are non-miners?
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Mag's
the united
17549
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:49:00 -
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CCP should give miners choices. Oh wait....
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19176
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:50:00 -
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Doreen Kaundur wrote:Why is it that those most opposed to mining buffs are non-miners? I mine, in a Procurer.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:51:00 -
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In that case
I demand mining bonuses on all non mining ships and an ore hold
Oh and the Proc hull's tanking and drone bonuses while we are at it "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2407
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:52:00 -
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Doreen Kaundur wrote:Why is it that those most opposed to mining buffs are non-miners? 6 million sp in resource processing, and I have a lovely skiff that I mine ice and ore in. [url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=353416&find=unread[/url] |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5642
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:52:00 -
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Doreen Kaundur wrote:Why is it that those most opposed to mining buffs are non-miners?
You arent suggesting mining buffs, you are suggesting combat buffs "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Bohneik Itohn
Amarrian Salvage Gnomes and Associates
310
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:54:00 -
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You want maximum yield with maximum survivability? Sure. I want maximum tank with maximum DPS and maneuverability. When I get mine, you get yours.
Who told you that you could stop nibbling veld long enough to post anyways? Get back out in that belt and feed the hungry children in Jita.
Seriously though, every time a miner cries on the forums 10 suicide gankers are born and another 10 players stop caring and grab the popcorn. Kronos was a good update for mining barges getting some love and unique playstyle changes, and now people are out in low sec killing faction cruisers with Procurers and Skiffs.
I guess you won't be satisfied until you can gank a pirate BS in high sec without getting CONCORDE'd. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
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KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
1878
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:55:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Doreen Kaundur wrote:Why is it that those most opposed to mining buffs are non-miners? I mine, in a Procurer.
And I have an entire corp of dedicated miner/PI/production characters who mine in....
Wait for it...
Skiffs.
Whoa.
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3934
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Posted - 2014.06.21 22:56:00 -
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The only reliable tank for a non-combatant is being somewhere else. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Iain Cariaba
In Over Our Heads
73
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:04:00 -
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Doreen Kaundur wrote:In response to: Ganking miners - What do you get from it?Miners are at a terrible disadvantage in EVE. The dilemma, how to maximize your mining output while protecting yourself from lulz gankers. In the world of predator vs prey, EVE favors the predator every time. I can prove it: Auto WTZ will never be implemented. Why? Not because it makes it easier for the prey, but because it makes it harder for the predator. Since mining ships have virtually no offensive capabilities, they should have major defensive ones IMO, mining ships should be as heavily tanked as Deep Space Transports. Also, IGÇÖve notice there are no hard launcher points on mining ships....I cant fit missiles. So mining ships are left intentionally squishy. Oh gods, here we go again with the nerf ganking threads.
1. You have to choose, mining yield or tank, you don't get both. In battle, wether pvp or pve, you have to choose between tank or dps, so why should miners have it easy? 2. Everywhere predator has the advantage over prey, why should EvE be any different. 3. WTZ is already implemented, has been for years, you just don't get it when you're not paying attention. Advantage goes to those who actively play the game, not to bots. Again, this is by design. 4. If you put tank on your mining barge and you put combat drones in the drone bay, most gsnkers will leave you alone. This and the Skiff is already tanked heavier than a DST. 5. It's a mining barge, so just no. If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1920
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:05:00 -
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Dear CCP.
I'm greedy and lazy, please protect me. Rampant inflation is good. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
826
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:06:00 -
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Doreen Kaundur wrote:Why is it that those most opposed to mining buffs are non-miners? Why is it we make assumptions that anyone who disagrees with me has nothing to do with what I'm talking about, regardless of their reasoning or argument?
Also: predator always has advantage. Once they lose advantage and the tables turn, they become prey. And if they never had the advantage to begin with, they are very dumb prey who think themselves predators. *end philosophy lesson* |
Ncc 1709
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Brothers of Tangra
32
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:08:00 -
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those opposed to mining buffs usually don't realise that less mining loss's means cheaper minerals meaning cheaper pvp ships.
yet nearly every pvper complains about the increasing costs of pvp ships |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
19183
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:11:00 -
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Ncc 1709 wrote:those opposed to mining buffs usually don't realise that less mining loss's means cheaper minerals meaning cheaper pvp ships.
yet nearly every pvper complains about the increasing costs of pvp ships Conversely I mine, the more people who explode while mining through being AFK, the better for those of us that don't because we actually play the game. I can point out at least 2 PvPers in this thread that also mine with their alts, ergo your point is moot.
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5303
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:12:00 -
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Doreen Kaundur wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Doreen Kaundur wrote: mining ships are left intentionally squishy. Procurer hull Therefore, no Wow.....one whole mining ship.
Or a Skiff, or a Mackinaw, or a Retriever. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:14:00 -
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Doreen Kaundur wrote:Why is it that those most opposed to mining buffs are non-miners?
Why is it that non-miners are better at fitting mining barges than miners? Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5303
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:14:00 -
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Doreen Kaundur wrote:Why is it that those most opposed to mining buffs are non-miners?
Why is it that those most in favour of more mining buffs are the ones too lazy to utilise previous buffs to mining? This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal & proud member of the popular gay hookup site, somethingawful.com |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:16:00 -
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Ncc 1709 wrote:those opposed to mining buffs usually don't realise that less mining loss's means cheaper minerals
Why do you want to crash the market?
Dont you realise that if you avoided losing your ship you'd be able to mine more? "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Mag's
the united
17549
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:16:00 -
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Ncc 1709 wrote:those opposed to mining buffs usually don't realise that less mining loss's means cheaper minerals meaning cheaper pvp ships.
yet nearly every pvper complains about the increasing costs of pvp ships Did you manage to post that and keep a straight face?
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Bohneik Itohn
Amarrian Salvage Gnomes and Associates
312
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:19:00 -
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Ncc 1709 wrote:those opposed to mining buffs usually don't realise that less mining loss's means cheaper minerals meaning cheaper pvp ships.
yet nearly every pvper complains about the increasing costs of pvp ships
No complaints here. The barges and income lost by inattentive players has virtually no impact on market prices, because there are many more out there that do pay attention and keep their profit margin intact.
The ships I frequently use, with the exception of some pirate faction ships which saw an increase in popularity with the rebalance, have been declining in cost since I've started playing. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5654
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:20:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Ncc 1709 wrote:those opposed to mining buffs usually don't realise that less mining loss's means cheaper minerals meaning cheaper pvp ships.
yet nearly every pvper complains about the increasing costs of pvp ships Did you manage to post that and keep a straight face?
He's just sore because the USS Lexington couldnt even take a bot when it the Excalibur the Hood and the Yorktown blobbed the Enterprise when it was operating the under the M5 computer "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. "How the **** can you think you are entitled to be such an *******?-áYou're lucky you're ALLOWED to have an opinion ..." - Solecist Project |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1937
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:21:00 -
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This thread is a perfect example to demonstrate that everytime carebears receive a buff, instead of making use of the tools available to them to overcome pvp situations, they just come whinging in the forum for more buffs for themselves and more nerfs to others.
I don't mine. I don't gank. I don't support this idea.
Go use what's already available to you and stop QQing in the forum. We are all going to drown soon. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
. -á<- Argue this, not this ->-á( -í-¦ -£-û -í-¦) |
Bohneik Itohn
Amarrian Salvage Gnomes and Associates
312
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:25:00 -
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This thread got me curious so I decided to check out the killboards. I am now incredibly amused.
It seems CODE has been losing a crapload of Catalysts to properly tanked Skiffs without getting any satisfaction since the patch, I suggest everyone observe this moment in Eve history for posterity. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
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