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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:26:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Go use what's already available to you and stop QQing in the forum. We are all going to drown soon. WTS inflatable rafts and life jackets, if you want RMS Titanic written on them, that'll be extra, Sharpies cost money.
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
Smugest Sniper
Shinigami Miners Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:31:00 -
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I have already **** on this same exact topic in the mining barge thread, stop posting the same **** over again. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
1937
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:34:00 -
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Smugest Sniper wrote:... stop posting the same **** over again. It's Doreen. It's what he does.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Grunnax Aurelius
The Horny Heron's Horny Empire
286
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:36:00 -
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TANK FITTED BARGES ARE ACTUALLY THE HIGH YIELD FIT YA KNOW!!!
HIGH YEILD FITS ARE ACTUALLY 0 YIELD FITS..... CAUSE YA GET GANKED!!!
now to you understand? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=342042&find=unread |
Bohneik Itohn
Amarrian Salvage Gnomes and Associates
313
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:40:00 -
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Still looking at the killboards and it seems only about 1 in 15 Procurers are being destroyed in high sec, and 7 out of 8 of those are between warring corps.
It also seems to take about 80m isk in Catalysts to suicide gank a 30m Procurer.
I think I'm going to go fit one out and hit the belts, see if I can't bait CODE into thinking I'm AFK. This seems like some virtually risk free PvP. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
Are you a forum alt? Have you ever wondered why your experience on the forums is always so frustrating and unrewarding? This may help. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:48:00 -
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^^ Doing it right.
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
Kaerakh
Surprisingly Deep Hole
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:49:00 -
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Doreen Kaundur wrote:In response to: Ganking miners - What do you get from it?Miners are at a terrible disadvantage in EVE. The dilemma, how to maximize your mining output while protecting yourself from lulz gankers. In the world of predator vs prey, EVE favors the predator every time. I can prove it: Auto WTZ will never be implemented. Why? Not because it makes it easier for the prey, but because it makes it harder for the predator. Since mining ships have virtually no offensive capabilities, they should have major defensive ones IMO. Mining ships should be as heavily tanked as Deep Space Transports. Also, IGÇÖve notice there are no hard launcher points on mining ships....I cant fit missiles. So mining ships are left intentionally squishy. My thoughts abbreviated for the OP. There are multitudes of options; both from the mechanics of the game and through social interaction to achieve your goals. if you're not capable of using them that's not the game's fault. That's your own mistaken assumptions and inaction at play. Schrodinger's Hot Dropper |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.06.21 23:52:00 -
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So, EVE favors those who take initiative? No ****?
Oh, and by the way. If you play a game and decide to cast yourself in the role of a prey animal, you shouldn't be surprised if the people who cast themselves as predator animals try to eat you. In fact, since you made an active choice to be a prey animal, you should be behaving with this in mind, instead of falling asleep next to the watering hole. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Psychotic Monk for CSM9. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
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Posted - 2014.06.22 00:03:00 -
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Ncc 1709 wrote:those opposed to mining buffs usually don't realise that less mining loss's means cheaper minerals meaning cheaper pvp ships.
yet nearly every pvper complains about the increasing costs of pvp ships uh, I haven't heard a single complaint about increase in pvp ship costs.
Doreen Kaundur 10/10, Its been a long time since I've seen so many people fall for such an obvious troll attempt. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1921
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Posted - 2014.06.22 00:07:00 -
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Grunnax Aurelius wrote:TANK FITTED BARGES ARE ACTUALLY THE HIGH YIELD FIT YA KNOW!!!
HIGH YEILD FITS ARE ACTUALLY 0 YIELD FITS..... CAUSE YA GET GANKED!!!
now to you understand?
Dont let the secret out. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
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Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
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Posted - 2014.06.22 00:13:00 -
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The thread is redundant (I could post a rule excerpt, but I am not ... ... ah, what the helI, got the page still open...
16. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.
As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread.),...
... because the OP is clearly guilty of neglect of informing himself, as well as properly considering the consequences of his assumptions and suggestions and is unaware of his negligence towards current balancing, principle game mechanics and exploits. Furthermore is it nothing but a sneak attempt to hit the pointless discussion about miner-ganking, ganking in principle, 'make high-sec secure', 'want all the benefits without sacrificing anything' and so on from another side. This in itself violates the rule against reposting locked or redundant threads as well as posting existing threads anew.
1.) Defenses of mining ships have been buffed 2.) Mining ships have been further balanced for different roles making them more effective 3.) Mining ships even got enhanced weapon systems (as an example, Rattlesnake lost the +10%/level bonus, Procurer and Skiff got one instead making them more powerful in this regard as a faction battleship) 4.) Mining ships already made decent PvP ships before the buffs and are even better now, while not even sacrificing the high slots for yield ... 5.- 100.) ... to tired to write them, look em up. Or someone else add at their leisure...
Oh yeah, and I am a full fledged miner ... stop speaking for me or against non-miner which seemingly know more about it then you.
And if you just want to incite the 'anti gank' hatred, you are at the wrong place. - And so you can sleep sheltered and all warm tonight, if I get killed in my miner it was only, because the others brought the numbers and not due to a failure of mine or the systems and there is now way nor should there be one, to offer protection from that. Are you sure your issues aren't elsewhere ?! |
Bohneik Itohn
Amarrian Salvage Gnomes and Associates
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Posted - 2014.06.22 00:17:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote: Doreen Kaundur 10/10, Its been a long time since I've seen so many people fall for such an obvious troll attempt.
You sly devil... Back to General Discussion with you...
Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
Are you a forum alt? Have you ever wondered why your experience on the forums is always so frustrating and unrewarding? This may help. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.06.22 00:30:00 -
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When CCP employees start to hold your hand, it's to steal your watch, especially CCP Guard, he's shifty like that.
Nil mortifi sine lucre |
Rayzilla Zaraki
Tandokuno
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Posted - 2014.06.22 00:44:00 -
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Risk v Reward
Fly a Mackinaw or Hulk which are kinda "squishy" and you risk a ganking, but greater ore hold or yield. If you're worried about bad guys, create a butt kicker alt to guard you.
Fly a Skiff (as I do now) and lower your gankability but also reduce yield/capacity vs the previous two.
I don't see an issue.
/thread Gate campers are just Carebears with anger issues. |
Inshallah Eichman
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.22 08:36:00 -
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AFK is the only kind of mining worth doing.
Buffing miners too much though will flood the market with bots even more than it already is.
You should be happy you can AFK mine 99% of the time and never be bothered unless you are doing something really really strange.
Losing a ship every now and then to some kid angry at you for existing isn't a huge deal. In fact, you should by that time be able to replace it very easily if you AFKd enough.
I will never watch the screen and mine or fly 20 jumps through high sec without autopilot on. Unless I am carrying a couple hundred million in cargo perhaps. You should do the same and you will be fine. Your wife won't get pregnant from the mailman, your kids won't have birth defects, and you won't get fried from your job.
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Dally Lama
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.22 11:33:00 -
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Sorry, there's no reason to be ganked anymore. Bring a Procurer. If you have a few of them, bring a friend in a Scorpion. If you have 2 friends, bring them in RR Rohk. New Fitting Window | Distances above 10km | Maximums for buy orders |
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
447
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Posted - 2014.06.22 11:37:00 -
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Ncc 1709 wrote:those opposed to mining buffs usually don't realise that less mining loss's means cheaper minerals meaning cheaper pvp ships.
yet nearly every pvper complains about the increasing costs of pvp ships I don't.
No mining ship should have both crazy tank and crazy yield.
Suck it up, RISK VERSUS REWARD,
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1709
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Posted - 2014.06.22 12:42:00 -
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Doreen Kaundur wrote:Why is it that those most opposed to mining buffs are non-miners?
Im a miner. ur just not a very good one.
Ncc 1709 wrote:those opposed to mining buffs usually don't realise that less mining loss's means cheaper minerals meaning cheaper pvp ships.
yet nearly every pvper complains about the increasing costs of pvp ships
Or we can not buff mining so that miners who arent idiots make more money than those that are idiots.
\o/ EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1710
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Posted - 2014.06.22 12:52:00 -
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Inshallah Eichman wrote: Your wife won't get pregnant from the mailman, your kids won't have birth defects, and you won't get fried from your job.
where u from? just so i can avoid these cannibalistic, cuckolding, mutant people. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Mole Guy
Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion
430
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Posted - 2014.06.22 15:00:00 -
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there have been HUGE changes in mining lately. the procurer and skiff are beasts.
i have a great pro/skiff setup that STILL cuts a lot of rock or ice, but has 50k tank and runs burner for speed tanking. all cap stable.
i was attacked this morning twice. once by an inty who couldnt scratch my shields and when the drones got ti him, he ran like a beotch. the 2nd was by a thrasher. point, web..hitting pretty descent, but once the drone hit the field, he was GONE.
they couldnt scratch my shields. the inty i fought while tanking a tripple bs spawn.
step away form the hulk, leave the mack sit unless you have designated security and an intel channel. this fit will get you close to 70% resistance across the board and 11500 tank or so. completely cap stable. turn on hardners and repper when undocking and forget about it.
skiff 1 thermal rig 1 either ice or mercoxit) rig
2 mining laser II's (or ice) 1 RCU II
1 10mn experimental burner 1 scanner II 1 adaptive invul II 1 passive EM ward II 1 small shield rep II
ice /deep core/ modulated stripper II
drones 5 lights for anti-frig/dessy 1 gecko or your choice of 5 medium or 2 heavies or entries. if you have 2 miners, have them mine 40k apart and drop 2 garde II's. assign them to defend the other person. sentries hit hard and will take a chunk out of a dessy who tries to gank u.
there was a kill mail rolling around where a carrier hot dropped several procurers. like 8 of them. THEY KILLED THE CARRIER WITH HAMMER HEADS. the carrier got 1, but the others got the carrier.
enter the field, orbit the material at range to keep speed up. drop drones. its cap stable, quick, smaller sig radius, and a freak on roids when it comes to tanking. procurers and skiffs can really do damage n packs. i dont even engage the rats unless they neut me. i speed tank and dont get below 90% shield.
for the procurer use this:
micro k-exhaust mining laser II experimental 10mn burner small shield booster II em ward field II hardener adaptive nano II
modulated stripper II
thermal rig kinetic rig core defense shield extender.
drones.
do you want you cake or do you wanna eat it? you make more money with the hulk, and thats great for buying new hulks. you make less with the skiff, but youll only buy 1.. |
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