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Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
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Posted - 2014.06.22 21:10:00 -
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Lvl 5 missions are in low sec instead of hi-sec or null sec
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Some Security missions have a quite a few real mineable rocks while Mining missions do not have at least a couple real rocks for optional mining.....????? That makes alot of sense.
I'll discount any reply talking about wrecking the economy or its CCP's game and they do what they want. Only In search of Valid reasoning as to why this is.
Thanks in advance.... troll away!!! |
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
449
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Posted - 2014.06.22 21:26:00 -
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Because lowsec is currently shittysec.
It needs to have something yeah?
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
142
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Posted - 2014.06.22 21:33:00 -
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First, this is the suggestion forum, not the discussion or Q&A, please post correctly
Second ... I'll quote myself
[quote "if you would, put your idea in the topic so i dont have to be lazy and read through it please."]
Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:Has nothing to do with laziness, but with keeping the forum in order, making it obvious that said topic exists and make it easier for the search function to find related topics. Sine you already failed on the last two yourself (just an observation to make the point, don't get mad) you should have no problems understanding that. Its also one of the forum rules in case you are wondering....
That said, read Arya Regnar , and if you were just thinking about continuing your solo mission career, those are not solo missions. Are you sure your issues aren't elsewhere ?! |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1710
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Posted - 2014.06.22 21:36:00 -
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the latter, no idea.
But level 5's were moved to low sec because they gave too much reward for so little risk. Many ppl have been asking level 4's to be moved there as well for the same reason. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2409
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Posted - 2014.06.22 21:41:00 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:the latter, no idea.
But level 5's were moved to low sec because they gave too much reward for so little risk. Many ppl have been asking level 4's to be moved there as well for the same reason. I agree with you all the way up to the point incursions were introduced. [url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=353416&find=unread[/url] |
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
0
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Posted - 2014.06.22 21:47:00 -
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Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:First, this is the suggestion forum, not the discussion or Q&A, please post correctly Second ... I'll quote myself [quote "if you would, put your idea in the topic so i dont have to be lazy and read through it please."] Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:Has nothing to do with laziness, but with keeping the forum in order, making it obvious that said topic exists and make it easier for the search function to find related topics. Sine you already failed on the last two yourself (just an observation to make the point, don't get mad) you should have no problems understanding that. Its also one of the forum rules in case you are wondering.... That said, read Arya Regnar , and if you were just thinking about continuing your solo mission career, those are not solo missions.
Sorry I disguised my suggestions too well for you there Mr. moderator..... oh wait nvm you arent one.
next..... |
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
0
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Posted - 2014.06.22 21:48:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:the latter, no idea.
But level 5's were moved to low sec because they gave too much reward for so little risk. Many ppl have been asking level 4's to be moved there as well for the same reason. I agree with you all the way up to the point incursions were introduced.
What this guy said....... Limit or don't limit the sandbox..... choose one.
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Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
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Posted - 2014.06.22 21:49:00 -
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Arya Regnar wrote:Because lowsec is currently shittysec.
It needs to have something yeah?
Best response so far....... |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3947
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Posted - 2014.06.22 21:52:00 -
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Mining missions once had normal asteroids in them, too. But I guess they were deemed too exploitive and got removed. There was no reason to go into the belts if you could spawn infinite asteroids in a relatively secure location independent of security level.
Quite a few asteroids were removed from missions actually. For example that huge Omber rock in Downing the Slavers. Got myself a million Isogen out of it, because it re-spawned every downtime for a week until the mission expires. A lifetime supply. Still nibbling from it. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Kaerakh
Surprisingly Deep Hole
330
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Posted - 2014.06.22 21:54:00 -
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Tennej wrote:Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:First, this is the suggestion forum, not the discussion or Q&A, please post correctly Second ... I'll quote myself [quote "if you would, put your idea in the topic so i dont have to be lazy and read through it please."] Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:Has nothing to do with laziness, but with keeping the forum in order, making it obvious that said topic exists and make it easier for the search function to find related topics. Sine you already failed on the last two yourself (just an observation to make the point, don't get mad) you should have no problems understanding that. Its also one of the forum rules in case you are wondering.... That said, read Arya Regnar , and if you were just thinking about continuing your solo mission career, those are not solo missions. Sorry I disguised my suggestions too well for you there Mr. moderator..... oh wait nvm you arent one. next..... He never said he was one, but you are violating 2 rules. Rule 3 of this board and rule 16 of the forums rules. The accessibility of L5s has been discussed before in multiple threads. One of these is easily rectified by you the OP. The other not so much since you can't take a post back. Schrodinger's Hot Dropper |
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Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
1
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Posted - 2014.06.22 21:56:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Mining missions once had normal asteroids in them, too. But I guess they were deemed too exploitive and got removed. There was no reason to go into the belts if you could spawn infinite asteroids in a relatively secure location independent of security level.
Quite a few asteroids were removed from missions actually. For example that huge Omber rock in Downing the Slavers. Got myself a million Isogen out of it, because it re-spawned every downtime for a week until the mission expires. A lifetime supply. Still nibbling from it.
Its less exploitive to mine security missions than a few rocks out of mining missions? Please explain? |
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
1
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Posted - 2014.06.22 21:59:00 -
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Kaerakh wrote:Tennej wrote:Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:First, this is the suggestion forum, not the discussion or Q&A, please post correctly Second ... I'll quote myself [quote "if you would, put your idea in the topic so i dont have to be lazy and read through it please."] Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:Has nothing to do with laziness, but with keeping the forum in order, making it obvious that said topic exists and make it easier for the search function to find related topics. Sine you already failed on the last two yourself (just an observation to make the point, don't get mad) you should have no problems understanding that. Its also one of the forum rules in case you are wondering.... That said, read Arya Regnar , and if you were just thinking about continuing your solo mission career, those are not solo missions. Sorry I disguised my suggestions too well for you there Mr. moderator..... oh wait nvm you arent one. next..... He never said he was one, but you are violating 2 rules. Rule 3 of this board and rule 16 of the forums rules. The accessibility of L5s has been discussed before in multiple threads. One of these is easily rectified by you the OP. The other not so much since you can't take a post back.
If it gets locked by an actual moderator then so be it. I was only after feedback on the actual suggestions which I am getting.
Some folks dont actually play by the rules......btw
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3948
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:01:00 -
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Tennej wrote:Abrazzar wrote:Mining missions once had normal asteroids in them, too. But I guess they were deemed too exploitive and got removed. There was no reason to go into the belts if you could spawn infinite asteroids in a relatively secure location independent of security level.
Quite a few asteroids were removed from missions actually. For example that huge Omber rock in Downing the Slavers. Got myself a million Isogen out of it, because it re-spawned every downtime for a week until the mission expires. A lifetime supply. Still nibbling from it. Its less exploitive to mine security missions than a few rocks out of mining missions? Please explain? They never stated their reasons. I guess data indicated much more ore was mined from mining missions than security missions and someone made a decision somewhere. It's been ages ago that happened. You'd need a dev to come and make a statement because no one else knows that I am aware of.
They never even bothered to change the locations to accommodate for the sudden lack of rocks either. And they look the part, like a jaw where all teeth are pulled: Full of holes where you expect something. Sad state of affairs. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Inshallah Eichman
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:03:00 -
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Let the moderators handle moderation, whiners. Just stick to the topic.
Level 5 missions in High sec would be strange and I think you know why. Not being in Nul-sec I really cannot say. Maybe because the missions are given by people with no authority in Nul-sec. Probably it's a tactic to bring some of this huge area of gameplay into smaller areas since most of the entire game is just empty space.
Asteroids not being in mining missions... yes this is a stupid thing. But then again, mining missions ARE a stupid thing so I am not sure where to go with that. |
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:03:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Tennej wrote:Abrazzar wrote:Mining missions once had normal asteroids in them, too. But I guess they were deemed too exploitive and got removed. There was no reason to go into the belts if you could spawn infinite asteroids in a relatively secure location independent of security level.
Quite a few asteroids were removed from missions actually. For example that huge Omber rock in Downing the Slavers. Got myself a million Isogen out of it, because it re-spawned every downtime for a week until the mission expires. A lifetime supply. Still nibbling from it. Its less exploitive to mine security missions than a few rocks out of mining missions? Please explain? They never stated their reasons. I guess data indicated much more ore was mined from mining missions than security missions and someone made a decision somewhere. It's been ages ago that happened. You'd need a dev to come and make a statement because no one else knows that I am aware of. They never even bothered to change the locations to accommodate for the sudden lack of rocks either. And they look the part, like a jaw where all teeth are pulled: Full of holes where you expect something. Sad state of affairs.
Tyvm for your insight..... makes me wonder if this is something they may relook in the future. |
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
1
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:05:00 -
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Inshallah Eichman wrote:
Let the moderators handle moderation, whiners. Just stick to the topic.
Level 5 missions in High sec would be strange and I think you know why. Not being in Nul-sec I really cannot say. Maybe because the missions are given by people with no authority in Nul-sec. Probably it's a tactic to bring some of this huge area of gameplay into smaller areas since most of the entire game is just empty space.
Asteroids not being in mining missions... yes this is a stupid thing. But then again, mining missions ARE a stupid thing so I am not sure where to go with that.
Tyvm for your insight.... perhaps mining missions will just go away altogether.
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1713
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:21:00 -
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Tennej wrote:
What this guy said....... Limit or don't limit the sandbox..... choose one.
wat? EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
142
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:23:00 -
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Inshallah Eichman wrote:
Let the moderators handle moderation, whiners. Just stick to the topic.
Level 5 missions in High sec would be strange and I think you know why. Not being in Nul-sec I really cannot say. Maybe because the missions are given by people with no authority in Nul-sec. Probably it's a tactic to bring some of this huge area of gameplay into smaller areas since most of the entire game is just empty space.
Asteroids not being in mining missions... yes this is a stupid thing. But then again, mining missions ARE a stupid thing so I am not sure where to go with that.
Yes sure, since your other posts are such quality posts, calling me a child even though you can't even understand your own posts... sure, go ahead.
And reading and considering the quoted rules might have suspended some of the rubbish posted (meaning just so you [general you] can hear yourself talk and feel important) and following them might prevent repercussions due to rule violations.
Besides that, neither is, as mentioned also by others, the topic, as well as the top post - no suggestion at all. I can repost in case you can't find your way to the top.
Next to that your posts are uninformed as they are mostly copied and superficial public opinions. Mining missions have some of the best advantages in the game in regards to certain issues, which I won't name, so there will be less competition. Your ignorance won't save you from criticism.
Again, failed post, wrong forum and a lot feeding the trolls. Are you sure your issues aren't elsewhere ?! |
Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
2
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:27:00 -
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Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:Inshallah Eichman wrote:
Let the moderators handle moderation, whiners. Just stick to the topic.
Level 5 missions in High sec would be strange and I think you know why. Not being in Nul-sec I really cannot say. Maybe because the missions are given by people with no authority in Nul-sec. Probably it's a tactic to bring some of this huge area of gameplay into smaller areas since most of the entire game is just empty space.
Asteroids not being in mining missions... yes this is a stupid thing. But then again, mining missions ARE a stupid thing so I am not sure where to go with that.
Yes sure, since your other posts are such quality posts, calling me a child even though you can't even understand your own posts... sure, go ahead. And reading and considering the quoted rules might have suspended some of the rubbish posted (meaning just so you [general you] can hear yourself talk and feel important) and following them might prevent repercussions due to rule violations. Besides that, neither is, as mentioned also by others, the topic, as well as the top post - no suggestion at all. I can repost in case you can't find your way to the top. Next to that your posts are uninformed as they are mostly copied and superficial public opinions. Mining missions have some of the best advantages in the game in regards to certain issues, which I won't name, so there will be less competition. Your ignorance won't save you from criticism. Again, failed post, wrong forum and a lot feeding the trolls.
wut?
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Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
3
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:39:00 -
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So lvl 5 missions too much reward for Hisec..... again... good with that until incursions. Maybe lower the reward and move to Hisec or change the faction to pirate only and move to null.
Suggestion not Question.
Nobody really knows about Mining mishs and why there are at least a few rocks for optional mining..... so... How about putting optional rocks to mine in mining missions.
Suggestion not Question.
Kinda done with this thread since everybody it going all moderator and getting panties all bunched up. Feelings are getting hurt an all that.
Thanks for all the input!!!!
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Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
143
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:56:00 -
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Well, pm'ed
And since you are making suggestions now, good, I can answer to that, even if it might be too late.
To give pirate factions level 5 missions might be an option, I just don't know how much they would be run if accessible. I thought there might be some already, but I just checked, and no, there aren't. I bet 0.0 guys do other things then run complex missions in their own space. And do not forget, I am not even sure if many 0.0 systems actually have pirate presence (except for the known regions).
And I kind of do not understand the 'until Incursions', if you mean until you can run Incursions, then Incursion come before L5s due to the positioning.
And optional asteroids are the belts, though sometimes I wish there were a few private ones to activate at least, they should be able to be scanned down. I would support asteroid signatures as well as random asteroids in mining missions and better placement in non-mining missions.
Better now ? Are you sure your issues aren't elsewhere ?! |
Inshallah Eichman
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2014.06.22 22:57:00 -
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The Incursion comments are regarding the implementation of them and the risk/reward argument commonly made.
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1714
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:01:00 -
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level 5's with reduced reward and put back in hi-esc are just hard level 4's...
the reason i pointed out that ppl even ask for level 4's to be moved out was to help u understand the risk/reward dynamic. Its not a case of 'should we bring level 5's back to hi-sec' its more a case of 'do we need to move level 4's out there too?'
Or at least it is for some ppl.
Incursions on the other hand are a very successful feature. It has inspired players to forge communities dedicated to running them and competing with rival players in a way that level 5's never did. This dynamic is only prevalent in hi-sec. Last i heard, null sec blocks and low sec players find them a massive inconvenience. To move incursions out of hi-sec, kinda kills incursions. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
143
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:09:00 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:level 5's with reduced reward and put back in hi-esc are just hard level 4's...
the reason i pointed out that ppl even ask for level 4's to be moved out was to help u understand the risk/reward dynamic. Its not a case of 'should we bring level 5's back to hi-sec' its more a case of 'do we need to move level 4's out there too?'
Or at least it is for some ppl.
Incursions on the other hand are a very successful feature. It has inspired players to forge communities dedicated to running them and competing with rival players in a way that level 5's never did. This dynamic is only prevalent in hi-sec. Last i heard, null sec blocks and low sec players find them a massive inconvenience. To move incursions out of hi-sec, kinda kills incursions.
Yes, I agree, Incursions are better left alone regarding locality, a CSM thread is already up if anyone is interested in changing something (else). Low sec incursions run mostly out of time, I see the same for 0.0, while all high sec will be done. Island Incursion are done by some brave men ... but finished quick to spawn normal ones. And since those usually are t3 only, not many common BS players can follow.
I doubt that with L4s being moved to low sec will mean anyone from high sec is going to run them there, it already killed L5s for single and small corp players, probably for the rest too. That practically would kill high sec PvE too. Some things are better left untouched, not everyone is a corp, alliance or pvp player and non should be forced to be such. Are you sure your issues aren't elsewhere ?! |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1714
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Posted - 2014.06.22 23:23:00 -
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Yeah they would just run level 3's. Mind u, baltec1 says he has a mach that runs them for hundreds of millions of isks per hour lol. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
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ISD Supogo
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.06.23 00:00:00 -
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Removed posts that were discussing moderation.
Quote:11. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a petition under the Community & Forums Category. ISD Supogo Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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ISD Supogo
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.06.23 00:03:00 -
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Thread has been moved to Missions & Complexes. ISD Supogo Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
874
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Posted - 2014.06.23 01:20:00 -
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Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:
I doubt that with L4s being moved to low sec will mean anyone from high sec is going to run them there, it already killed L5s for single and small corp players, probably for the rest too. That practically would kill high sec PvE too. Some things are better left untouched, not everyone is a corp, alliance or pvp player and non should be forced to be such.
The main motivation to move 4s out of hisec is too nerf hisec PvE income. CCP may eventually do that for precisely that reason.
Level 4s are really a solo activity and whist a few people will still do 4s in losec with a Tengu or Ishtar they do not pay enough to warrant large scale losec fleet ops. Very few people even bother with the Vs so why would you make losec 4s a thing ?
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
2107
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Posted - 2014.06.23 02:18:00 -
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Tennej wrote:So lvl 5 missions too much reward for Hisec..... again... good with that until incursions. Maybe lower the reward and move to Hisec or change the faction to pirate only and move to null.
Why do you have such an absurd hate boner for low sec?
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Tennej
LoTax POCO Company of HiSEC
3
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Posted - 2014.06.23 03:44:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Tennej wrote:So lvl 5 missions too much reward for Hisec..... again... good with that until incursions. Maybe lower the reward and move to Hisec or change the faction to pirate only and move to null. Why do you have such an absurd hate boner for low sec?
Low sucks. They should just call it no sec because there is none. Sec rating decreases......big deal.... most of the Low peeps pride themselves on -10 rating anyways.....and there is no SOV. You can be hotdropped or ISBoxer disco ganked.....and to put lvl5 missions there is...well....stupid. Both Null and Hi-sec are much more befitting mission running than trying to sneak around in low.
I still havent figured out beyond doing a little PI or FW what Low is good for. Maybe someday they will fix it or just get rid of it altogether. (waiting) |
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