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Apelacja
Fungi Company
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Posted - 2014.06.26 17:09:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:POS are cheaper on costs. POS have a 2% ME discount also. POS can also be set up in a system with no stations, so you won't have other people driving your costs up. POS can also have a bonus discount on POS for more modules of the same type set up.
Now, if that works out cheaper than a station depends how much you use the POS.
and team gives u 5-6 % of ME reduction...
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
132
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Posted - 2014.06.26 21:27:00 -
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Apelacja wrote:and team gives u 5-6 % of ME reduction...
Do team ME reductions apply equally to all POS and NPC Stations in the system?
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
774
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Posted - 2014.06.26 23:23:00 -
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Attivol wrote:Tal'Rashas Urteil wrote:Nex Killer wrote:Tal'Rashas Urteil wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:Wait a month. Crius is being released July 22nd, and will eliminate the need of a POS for many people.
Until then: Caldari > Minmatar > Gallente > Amarr [Ordered most CPU to least.] what do you mean will eliminate the use of pos? They're removing slots to indy and making it so the install cost scales with out many people are installing and doing jobs in a system. Before the main reason why people would put up a pos is because a station would be out of research/manufacturing slots so, they setup a pos and get their own slots to install things that other people couldn't use. i still dont understand People put up a POS because there were a limited number of industry slots in stations. After Crius there will be an unlimited number of industry slots in stations and therefore no reason to put up a POS.
There are multiple reasons to put up a POS, you know that right? My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
Attivol
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Posted - 2014.06.27 00:15:00 -
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Quote:People put up a POS because there were a limited number of industry slots in stations. After Crius there will be an unlimited number of industry slots in stations and therefore no reason to put up a POS.
Quote:There are multiple reasons to put up a POS, you know that right?
You are capable of following the context of the conversation, right? Let me help you just in case.
OP- I want to put up an industrial POS. Post #2- Here's why you shouldn't. OP #3- I don't get it. #4- Let clear things up for you OP- I still don't get it. My Post- Let me clarify what the other respondents have said. OP- OK, now I get it.
Now, at what point in this conversation did I say that there is only one reason players put up a POS?
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
3794
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Posted - 2014.06.27 08:21:00 -
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Attivol wrote:OP- I want to put up an industrial POS. Post #2- Here's why you shouldn't. OP #3- I don't get it. #4- Let clear things up for you OP- I still don't get it. My Post- Let me clarify what the other respondents have said. OP- OK, now I get it. Actually my post #2 was more like: Re-evaluate after Crius, but here's the answer to your question... |
Terminator Cindy
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.06.28 05:55:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:POS are cheaper on costs. POS have a 2% ME discount also.
How much cheaper ? A POS costs anywhere between 200 mil and 600 mil a month in fuel depending on its size. Would the new production / research lines in station be that expensive ?
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Tal'Rashas Urteil
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.06.30 12:07:00 -
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Terminator Cindy wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:POS are cheaper on costs. POS have a 2% ME discount also.
How much cheaper ? A POS costs anywhere between 200 mil and 600 mil a month in fuel depending on its size. Would the new production / research lines in station be that expensive ? But if your like me who can make their own pos fuel, I don't think pos fuel is an issue correct? So if your doing pi in a .5 system with no station or other pos in the system and just have yours, the production cost would be cheap right? And won't have to worry about pos fuel because you make your own, which the isk that you don't spend on pos fuel can be spent in further production? |
Li Quiao
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
46
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Posted - 2014.06.30 14:31:00 -
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Tal'Rashas Urteil wrote: But if your like me who can make their own pos fuel, I don't think pos fuel is an issue correct?
Of course the cost of the fuel is still an issue. If you're buying it, you're paying the cost of buying it. If you're making it, you're paying the cost of not selling it. |
Ginger Barbarella
1948
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Posted - 2014.06.30 15:17:00 -
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Tal'Rashas Urteil wrote:OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH OK i understand now, why is CCP making eve easier? CCP WHAT IS THIS MADNESS?
CCP: Easy Buttons for All!! "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.06.30 15:39:00 -
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The POS fuel I make myself is free.
Fuel blocks are worth 15-18k each. A small tower requires 10 blocks an hour. So it will cost 150k-180k isk per hour to run that tower. Now look at how much you would make in the amount of time it takes you to mine the ice and do the PI required to make those blocks, and compare it to the cost of fueling your tower off the market.
Now ask yourself if you would be better off buying off doing something else to earn the isk to buy fuel ofrom the market. If you can make more than 180k isk/hr, you're better off buying off the market.
HINT: If you can't make 180k isk/hr, you're doing it very wrong.
Keep in mind that POSes require matching racial fuel blocks, which require racial isotopes. If you are in Amarr space and using a Caldari tower, you will have to buy isotopes off the market anyway because there is no way to mine those Oxygen Isotopes in Amarr space. Isotopes make up 50-67% of the cost of fuel blocks, depending on market conditions.
My advice to you, is to just buy your blocks off the market. GÇ£I personally refuse to help AAA take space from itself so it can become an even shittier version of itselfGÇ¥ -Grath Telkin, 2014. |
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Li Quiao
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.30 16:38:00 -
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Soldarius wrote: HINT: If you can't make 180k isk/hr, you're doing it very wrong.
If you can't make 10 blocks of fuel in considerably less than an hour, you're doing it very, very wrong.
Your basic gist is right, except the ISK/hr standard you're calculating against needs to be computed with how long it takes you to make the 10 blocks, not how fast the control tower eats them.
BTW, if you're planning to make your own fuel, of course you should get the race of control tower that matches where you are, so you get the right ice.
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Tal'Rashas Urteil
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2014.06.30 18:01:00 -
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Soldarius wrote:The POS fuel I make myself is free. Fuel blocks are worth 15-18k each. A small tower requires 10 blocks an hour. So it will cost 150k-180k isk per hour to run that tower. Now look at how much you would make in the amount of time it takes you to mine the ice and do the PI required to make those blocks, and compare it to the cost of fueling your tower off the market. Now ask yourself if you would be better off buying off doing something else to earn the isk to buy fuel ofrom the market. If you can make more than 180k isk/hr, you're better off buying off the market. HINT: If you can't make 180k isk/hr, you're doing it very wrong. Keep in mind that POSes require matching racial fuel blocks, which require racial isotopes. If you are in Amarr space and using a Caldari tower, you will have to buy isotopes off the market anyway because there is no way to mine those Oxygen Isotopes in Amarr space. Isotopes make up 50-67% of the cost of fuel blocks, depending on market conditions. My advice to you, is to just buy your blocks off the market. im a miner, i can make 24m isk in 1 hour easy, so its better off just to buy it? |
Tal'Rashas Urteil
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2014.06.30 18:02:00 -
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Li Quiao wrote:Soldarius wrote: HINT: If you can't make 180k isk/hr, you're doing it very wrong.
If you can't make 10 blocks of fuel in considerably less than an hour, you're doing it very, very wrong. Your basic gist is right, except the ISK/hr standard you're calculating against needs to be computed with how long it takes you to make the 10 blocks, not how fast the control tower eats them. BTW, if you're planning to make your own fuel, of course you should get the race of control tower that matches where you are, so you get the right ice. yea i know, i want a pos for production and invention, but i just dont know what pos i want :( |
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