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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
869
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Posted - 2014.06.23 13:31:00 -
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scratched monument, lame E1 lamer and forgotten speaking ill of the dead, one layer down recruiting that speaker for publicity/notoriety, smells desperate.
In fact all those are desperate. Mean and petty duds.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Prince Kobol
1961
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Posted - 2014.06.23 13:33:00 -
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I have question for the OP.
Would you of cared if the person said say person x deserved to be killed or is it because they said vile rat deserved to be killed?
Just curious |
Morihei Akachi
Nishida Corporation
64
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Posted - 2014.06.23 13:38:00 -
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Chribba wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:FWIW I petitioned a character who had the name "Vilerat Deservedit". There is no longer any character under that name. Shh don't tell anyone he just changed name... Wait GǪ this is on Tranquility? How/since when is that possible? |
Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
54
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Posted - 2014.06.23 13:45:00 -
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uhm ohm ... let me get this straight:
you capitalize on vilerat's memory and people's emotions on this topic in order to start yet another (not-so-stealth) E1-thread rationalizing his kind of behavior?
not sure if you're just stupid or some twisted little ****, but maybe you can do us a favour and biomass yourself. kthxbye |
Soylent Jade
New Order Logistics CODE.
115
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Posted - 2014.06.23 13:47:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Your first amendment rights do not apply here, since CCP is not the American Government (or an American Company, not that it really matters). They can ban you for saying "I hate cheese". You left your First Amendment rights behind when you clicked "I Accept" on the EULA. Why the **** don't people grasp that simple concept?
+1 internets for you. It's a sad indictment on the current state of American schools. I'm sure they're all being taught that they're all special snowflakes, though. Making hisec better...one Catalyst at a time
minerbumping.com |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5712
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Posted - 2014.06.23 13:51:00 -
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Ab'del Abu wrote:uhm ohm ... let me get this straight:
you capitalize on vilerat's memory and people's emotions on this topic in order to start yet another (not-so-stealth) E1-thread rationalizing his kind of behavior?
not sure if you're just stupid or some twisted little ****, but maybe you can do us a favour and biomass yourself. kthxbye
Not sure if you can't read or are just being wilfully ignorant, but you actually managed to get the point entirely backwards
Go you, you star "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. There is no Saviour but James 315 and Omir Sarakusa is his Prophet (PBUH) La ilaha illjames |
Seven Koskanaiken
the shadow plague The Bastion
1302
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Posted - 2014.06.23 13:52:00 -
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The Erotica1 thing was a weird form of mass hysteria which I'm sure people will look back on one day with embarrassment, like how they like to forget they once burned an effigy of David Beckham after he got sent off for kicking that Argentinian.
As for the topic of speaking ill of the dead in Eve, that's a can of worms.
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De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies The Unthinkables
2316
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Posted - 2014.06.23 13:54:00 -
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Soylent Jade wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:Your first amendment rights do not apply here, since CCP is not the American Government (or an American Company, not that it really matters). They can ban you for saying "I hate cheese". You left your First Amendment rights behind when you clicked "I Accept" on the EULA. Why the **** don't people grasp that simple concept? +1 internets for you. It's a sad indictment on the current state of American schools. I'm sure they're all being taught that they're all special snowflakes, though.
Being an American I can assure you, we're not. However, there seems to be a minority of self-entitled little fucktards who are not getting the message. GÇ£SandboxGÇ¥ does not mean that you will succeed at anything you attempt; it means you can attempt anything you want to succeed at. One of the largest obstacles in the way of your success is other players. Schr+¦dinger's Hotdropper |
De'Veldrin
Black Serpent Technologies The Unthinkables
2319
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Posted - 2014.06.23 13:58:00 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
As for the topic of speaking ill of the dead in Eve, that's a can of worms.
I was taught you don't speak ill of the dead. Period, end sentence, this discussion is over. An online game has nothing to do with basic courtesy. Though basic courtesy seems to have nothing to do with the internet either, so there you have it. GÇ£SandboxGÇ¥ does not mean that you will succeed at anything you attempt; it means you can attempt anything you want to succeed at. One of the largest obstacles in the way of your success is other players. Schr+¦dinger's Hotdropper |
Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
55
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Posted - 2014.06.23 14:03:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Ab'del Abu wrote:uhm ohm ... let me get this straight:
you capitalize on vilerat's memory and people's emotions on this topic in order to start yet another (not-so-stealth) E1-thread rationalizing his kind of behavior?
not sure if you're just stupid or some twisted little ****, but maybe you can do us a favour and biomass yourself. kthxbye Not sure if you can't read or are just being wilfully ignorant, but you actually managed to get the point entirely backwards Go you, you star
Oh ofc, OP writes "I assure you that I am not trying to toll, re-open the issue of Erotica 1 [...] ", so clearly this thread cannot be about E1. In fact, it's absolutely out of the question that this whole story is not completely fabricated.
I too believe in santa ...
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DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
494
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Posted - 2014.06.23 14:10:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:I have question for the OP.
Would you of cared if the person said say person x deserved to be killed or is it because they said vile rat deserved to be killed?
Just curious
Yeah, and I would feel pretty much the same way.
This is a video game. Sure, it gets meta sometimes and various groups are at war for video game internet spaceship points - but once you cross the line into calling for the RL death of the player behind the character or making tasteless comments about a community member who was murdered in RL - ain't no meta game reasons that can make that acceptable, and the classic "lol i was just trolling" that usually follows seems pretty hollow and meaningless. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5715
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Posted - 2014.06.23 14:12:00 -
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Ab'del Abu wrote:[quote=Ramona McCandless][quote=Ab'del Abu] you're just stupid or some twisted little ****, but maybe you can do us a favour and biomass yourself. kthxbye
If you dont support the kind of attitude the OP is highlighting with this thread, why say what you said in this quote?
"If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. There is no Saviour but James 315 and Omir Sarakusa is his Prophet (PBUH) La ilaha illjames |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
12102
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Posted - 2014.06.23 14:18:00 -
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Morihei Akachi wrote:Chribba wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:FWIW I petitioned a character who had the name "Vilerat Deservedit". There is no longer any character under that name. Shh don't tell anyone he just changed name... Wait GǪ this is on Tranquility? How/since when is that possible? By petition, a normal procedure when someone gets renamed is that you first get renamed to "Citizen 123456" but (most of the time) have the option to chose a new name afterwards. So not really a feature to change name but the work of GMs.
/c
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malcovas Henderson
THoF
185
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Posted - 2014.06.23 14:21:00 -
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Ab'del Abu wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Ab'del Abu wrote:uhm ohm ... let me get this straight:
you capitalize on vilerat's memory and people's emotions on this topic in order to start yet another (not-so-stealth) E1-thread rationalizing his kind of behavior?
not sure if you're just stupid or some twisted little ****, but maybe you can do us a favour and biomass yourself. kthxbye Not sure if you can't read or are just being wilfully ignorant, but you actually managed to get the point entirely backwards Go you, you star Oh ofc, OP writes "I assure you that I am not trying to toll, re-open the issue of Erotica 1 [...] ", so clearly this thread cannot be about E1. In fact, it's absolutely out of the question that this whole story is not completely fabricated. I too believe in santa ...
I know nothing of Erotica1, so cannot voice an opinion on anything about it. I will however take the OP's post at face value. The content of the post raises questions about what is acceptable in what is acceptable as conduct while interacting with other players.
Read into it what you will. Just don't be a narrow mind looking at a broader picture.
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Alexander Thorsen
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
5
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Posted - 2014.06.23 14:24:00 -
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Tebizla wrote:In short that's your standard interwebs behaviour ...
Um, no, that's your standard EVE behavior. Most games and forums don't allow basement-dwelling neckbeards with undiagnosed Asperger Syndrome to go full-on 'tard-rage without consequence. But, then again, this is EVE where one of the most celebrated alliances is just that in a distilled form. |
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
494
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Posted - 2014.06.23 14:26:00 -
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Ab'del Abu wrote:uhm ohm ... let me get this straight:
you capitalize on vilerat's memory and people's emotions on this topic in order to start yet another (not-so-stealth) E1-thread rationalizing his kind of behavior?
not sure if you're just stupid or some twisted little ****, but maybe you can do us a favour and biomass yourself. kthxbye
You could not be more wrong if you tried.
I'm not "capitalizing" on the memory of a person who I had the fortune of meeting a while back and knowing in game as well in order to try to start some debate about E1.
The *only* reason that I brought up E1 is for a point of comparison. That point being - if the feeling of the community in regards to E1's actions was strong enough to influence CCP into removing E1 from the game, how does the community feel about a player who in a local chat that many many people saw and logged last night made statements such as -
[07:50:50] xxxxx > Vile rat got what he deserved
[07:51:35] xxxxxL > glad he is dead personally
[07:51:44] xxxxx > one less tard on EVE
or my personal favorite
[07:52:15] xxxxx > i am glad he is dead, one less like you to pollute the world
Now, for just a second - consider dropping the assumption that simply due to my decision to use E1 as point of comparison due to that situation being well known, recent, and a great example many members of the EVE community feeling that a line was crossed and that he should not be part of the EVE community anymore automatically means that I am trying some stealthy thing to further ... I don't even know what the goal of it would be. It just does not make sense to me.
Really, it's quite possible to mention E1 without it being some super elaborate stealth scheme to somehow change public opinion about him.
Yeah, there's a lot of trolls and stealth style posting on the boards. We all know that. However, to assume that every single post that dares even mention E1 must be some type of stealth plot is a bit on the over paranoid side. E1 was just a good example to be used. Would it have made you more comfortable if I perhaps used the example of the time that The Mittani was banned due to the words he chose to use? Use that as your example if it makes you feel more comfortable.
And finally, in reference to your wonderful unprovoked personal attack that you feel is justified due to your opinion that I was trying to start some stealth E1 thread - classy move. Read a post, make your assumption, and then use that as your justification to start childish name calling. |
Radric Davids
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
92
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Posted - 2014.06.23 14:43:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Dat Bass wrote: He was a CIA employee,
Citation needed. While there were, indeed, CIA in the embassy, VR was an information management officer with the United States Foreign Service. And a lot of people around here knew him personally, and called him a friend. Not me personally, but to know he has friends here is to know you're being an arse if publicly libel him.
Basically this, although it wasn't an embassy (and other nitpicky things). It was a true tragedy, and this guy's comments are infinitely more disgusting due to the fact that what happened in Benghazi was not just the tragic death/murder of a well-loved Eve player and staple of the community or a man in service of his country, but a terrorist attack on a diplomatic institution which resulted in the tragic deaths of VR, US ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens and two CIA contractors and former Navy Seals.
What this filthy scumbag said was that he was glad and happy about an act of terrorism (one of the worst in the past decade, resulting in the first death of a US ambassador on duty in 33 years). This is the utmost lowest of the low. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2206
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Posted - 2014.06.23 14:44:00 -
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ill hop in at this point and say, while i see your point, I don't think anything needs doing beyond having a discussion on the topic. "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT."
Unsuccessful At Everything |
Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3557
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Posted - 2014.06.23 14:46:00 -
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Alexander Thorsen wrote:Tebizla wrote:In short that's your standard interwebs behaviour ... Um, no, that's your standard EVE behavior. Most games and forums don't allow basement-dwelling neckbeards with undiagnosed Asperger Syndrome to go full-on 'tard-rage without consequence. But, then again, this is EVE where one of the most celebrated alliances is just that in a distilled form.
When you use the word GÇ£autisticGÇ¥ as a way to insult someone, the message received by those of us who actually are on the spectrum is not that the object of your insult is bad. ItGÇÖs that being autistic is so completely awful that itGÇÖs a good way to belittle someone. ItGÇÖs saying that autistic is synonymous with stupid, or unworthy, or rude, or whatever else you mean to imply. ItGÇÖs showing what you think autistic people are like, as well as showing that you think itGÇÖs so inherent to autism that it makes sense to sling the word around as a way to insult people.
Of course, this is nothing new. People have been taking their prejudices out on various groups of people, loading those prejudices onto certain descriptive words, and then hurling those words as insults for a very long time. Words like ******** and gay have also been used in this way GÇô and all too often still are. ItGÇÖs a problem.
Personally, I find it dismaying that instead of reducing the number of words weGÇÖre doing this with, weGÇÖre increasing them.
Of course, I say words, but itGÇÖs not just about the words. ItGÇÖs about the people. Real, autistic people who are dynamic and interesting and strong and so much more than a collection a deficiencies, being used wholesale as a way to insult people. It reduces our entire reality into little more than a way to say GÇ£youGÇÖre bad.GÇ¥ It may be a by-product of the fact that it is socially acceptable to blatantly mock and belittle disabled people, but I maintain that neither of these things are in the least bit ok.
I have AspergerGÇÖs. IGÇÖm on the autism spectrum. I have friends, hobbies, skills, interests, humor and so much more, and I am NOT an insult.
Thanks me
PS: die in a fire. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
[email protected] |
Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3559
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Posted - 2014.06.23 14:47:00 -
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Radric Davids wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Dat Bass wrote: He was a CIA employee,
Citation needed. While there were, indeed, CIA in the embassy, VR was an information management officer with the United States Foreign Service. And a lot of people around here knew him personally, and called him a friend. Not me personally, but to know he has friends here is to know you're being an arse if publicly libel him. Basically this, although it wasn't an embassy (and other nitpicky things). It was a true tragedy, and this guy's comments are infinitely more disgusting due to the fact that what happened in Benghazi was not just the tragic death/murder of a well-loved Eve player and staple of the community or a man in service of his country, but a terrorist attack on a diplomatic institution which resulted in the tragic deaths of VR, US ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens and two CIA contractors and former Navy Seals. What this filthy scumbag said was that he was glad and happy about an act of terrorism (one of the worst in the past decade, resulting in the first death of a US ambassador on duty in 33 years). This is the utmost lowest of the low.
I know what happened. I was responding to the claim that VR was one of the CIA operatives. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
[email protected] |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5717
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Posted - 2014.06.23 14:48:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Alexander Thorsen wrote:Tebizla wrote:In short that's your standard interwebs behaviour ... Um, no, that's your standard EVE behavior. Most games and forums don't allow basement-dwelling neckbeards with undiagnosed Asperger Syndrome to go full-on 'tard-rage without consequence. But, then again, this is EVE where one of the most celebrated alliances is just that in a distilled form. When you use the word GÇ£autisticGÇ¥ or "Asperger's" as a way to insult someone, the message received by those of us who actually are on the spectrum is not that the object of your insult is bad. ItGÇÖs that being autistic is so completely awful that itGÇÖs a good way to belittle someone. ItGÇÖs saying that autistic is synonymous with stupid, or unworthy, or rude, or whatever else you mean to imply. ItGÇÖs showing what you think autistic people are like, as well as showing that you think itGÇÖs so inherent to autism that it makes sense to sling the word around as a way to insult people. Of course, this is nothing new. People have been taking their prejudices out on various groups of people, loading those prejudices onto certain descriptive words, and then hurling those words as insults for a very long time. Words like ******** and gay have also been used in this way GÇô and all too often still are. ItGÇÖs a problem. Personally, I find it dismaying that instead of reducing the number of words weGÇÖre doing this with, weGÇÖre increasing them. Of course, I say words, but itGÇÖs not just about the words. ItGÇÖs about the people. Real, autistic people who are dynamic and interesting and strong and so much more than a collection a deficiencies, being used wholesale as a way to insult people. It reduces our entire reality into little more than a way to say GÇ£youGÇÖre bad.GÇ¥ It may be a by-product of the fact that it is socially acceptable to blatantly mock and belittle disabled people, but I maintain that neither of these things are in the least bit ok. I have AspergerGÇÖs. IGÇÖm on the autism spectrum. I have friends, hobbies, skills, interests, humor and so much more, and I am NOT an insult. Thanks me PS: die in a fire.
This.
+25,000
"If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. There is no Saviour but James 315 and Omir Sarakusa is his Prophet (PBUH) La ilaha illjames |
Tebizla
40
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Posted - 2014.06.23 14:49:00 -
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Alexander Thorsen wrote:Tebizla wrote:In short that's your standard interwebs behaviour ... Um, no, that's your standard EVE behavior. Most games and forums don't allow basement-dwelling neckbeards with undiagnosed Asperger Syndrome to go full-on 'tard-rage without consequence. But, then again, this is EVE where one of the most celebrated alliances is just that in a distilled form.
Forums I can agree with since moderators and such can enforce rules. Yet you'll find an odd exception here and there. Something awul anyone?
But within games? No sorry lol. I'll have to disagree there. Even if the game has a reporting functionality it still happens anyway.
I became so used to it over the years I could care less. Very few of them will ever have the balls to stand up and say such things when facing another person in RL. Behind a monitor and a keyboard? Oh what a bunch of big men they are ...
So is it important? Well if you care about how sad and pathetic people can be behind a computer I guess. Just don't forget 9/10 people never express themselves like that if there isn't a networkcable, a keyboard and a monitor involved. There is the odd 1/10. But who cares? Really? Obviously not a forum / spy / market alt ... |
Tracy Smith
University of Caille Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2014.06.23 15:02:00 -
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It looks to me like people are butthurt because of who the object of that smacktalk was and not because of the general tone of what was said.
Did anyone violate the Terms of Service? If so then let CCP deal with it. |
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
496
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Posted - 2014.06.23 15:03:00 -
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Tebizla wrote:
So is it important? Well if you care about how sad and pathetic people can be behind a computer I guess. Just don't forget 9/10 people never express themselves like that if there isn't a networkcable, a keyboard and a monitor involved. There is the odd 1/10. But who cares? Really?
Yeah, this is something I have been thinking about - and I really see where you are coming from.
A part of me, however, feels that just - saying that some people are just "sad and pathetic" and only would do this kind of stuff there a network cable is involved just feels like... giving up. Know what I mean?
I don't know. I "care" to the extent that I knew Vile and that his murder was just awful, and to have some random EVE player start going on about how glad he is that another player was murdered in a pathetic attempt to get attention - I don't know. Do we just give up and say "Who Cares?" Or, are there enough people in the community who *do* care and feel that a line was crossed and that the player who made these statements has proven to most of us that he really has no place in our community?
I've sure there are dozens of support tickets out there, as he made these and many other comments in a rather busy local channel last night. I would gladly name the player and provide some rather awful screen captures right here - but to be honest, I need to dig through all of the posting rules. I don't want to end up suspended or warned over this, but to be blunt - I really want the entire community to know who this guy is. On a unrelated note, this is not some random trial account. This dude has been here for over ten years. |
Komi Toran
Perkone Caldari State
103
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Posted - 2014.06.23 15:03:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:PS: die in a fire. ...and then you learn he's a firefighter...
I dunno, is it considered griefing by CCP's definition if you were to gank the #$%^er whenever you see him? Not hunt him down with locator agents or follow him around, but just "Oh, @&%^er is in local, I should blow up his ship." Maybe put out a call to like-minded individuals to do that same. There's no profit in it, so, while I think this is how it should be handled, CCP might disagree.
And I find what happened with E1 to set a very bad precedent, as this thread is proof of. We're basically asking if we can vote people out of the game. Not cool.
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Remiel Pollard
The 0th Fleet A Rather Intimidating Group of Individuals
3559
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Posted - 2014.06.23 15:09:00 -
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Komi Toran wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:PS: die in a fire. ...and then you learn he's a firefighter... I dunno, is it considered griefing by CCP's definition if you were to gank the #$%^er whenever you see him? Not hunt him down with locator agents or follow him around, but just "Oh, @&%^er is in local, I should blow up his ship." Maybe put out a call to like-minded individuals to do that same. There's no profit in it, so, while I think this is how it should be handled, CCP might disagree. And I find what happened with E1 to set a very bad precedent, as this thread is proof of. We're basically asking if we can vote people out of the game. Not cool.
I handled it just fine with superior wisdom and snark. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
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hellcane
Never Back Down
145
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Posted - 2014.06.23 15:13:00 -
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Be an adult and block someone when they offend you.
You will find that throughout life, there will be many people that say stupid, inflammatory things. Ignore them because you do not value their opinion. Don't scream for someone else to take care of your problem. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5718
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Posted - 2014.06.23 15:15:00 -
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hellcane wrote:Be an adult and block someone when they offend you.
You will find that throughout life, there will be many people that say stupid, inflammatory things. Ignore them because you do not value their opinion.
So.. Never not Back Down then? "If someone doesn't appreciate your presence, make them appreciate your absence." - Anon. There is no Saviour but James 315 and Omir Sarakusa is his Prophet (PBUH) La ilaha illjames |
Komi Toran
Perkone Caldari State
103
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Posted - 2014.06.23 15:15:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:I handled it just fine with superior wisdom and snark. That works, too.
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Prince Kobol
1962
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Posted - 2014.06.23 15:22:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:I have question for the OP.
Would you of cared if the person said say person x deserved to be killed or is it because they said vile rat deserved to be killed?
Just curious Yeah, and I would feel pretty much the same way. This is a video game. Sure, it gets meta sometimes and various groups are at war for video game internet spaceship points - but once you cross the line into calling for the RL death of the player behind the character or making tasteless comments about a community member who was murdered in RL - ain't no meta game reasons that can make that acceptable, and the classic "lol i was just trolling" that usually follows seems pretty hollow and meaningless.
So are you saying that its bad just because the deceased was somebody who played Eve?
I take it then then everybody is fair game because they are just not important enough to get angry about.
Now just before you go all white knight, I will tell you where I stand on Vile Rat, whilst tragic his death was, for me personally as I have never met him, talked to him or interacted with him in anyway shape or form, it is no more tragic then a death of child or when a person is killed in natural disaster, or in thousand other ways that thousands of other people die every single day.
So you trying to garner some kind of sympathy for E1 by using Vile Rat's name simply does not work on me. If anything it makes me think you are a complete **** as there are people who did know Vile Rat personally and where his death deeply effected them.
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