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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.07.06 08:36:00 -
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 Originally by: Strikeclone
Beringe, no one is asking for the gallente governemt/peoples to up and move out of luminaire where did this concept come from? You, only you.
Foolishness. The Federation will never allow a Caldari planet in their capital system. So, unless the Federation is either disbanded and reformed elsewhere (hence the move) or obliterated, this simply isn't going to happen.
The so-called patriots are the least able to live in peace with the Gallente, anyway. I'm not being coy when I say it's going to take genocide or a Gallente exodus for this to happen.
Originally by: Strikeclone
I say to Beringe and all the others who will talk complete rubbish in order to appease the gallentes, escrow me your ships, and all your equipment and send me all you money.
After all its only a few ships and guns and a few ISK, you can always get more.
I'd tell you where to stick your insults, but I fear your head may already be there.
I'm appeasing noone. I'm trying to talk sense into some warmongering marionettes who give the Caldari reputation for clever efficiency a bad name.
I don't even particularly *like* the Gallente. They have more than their share of utter idiocy. But that is theirs to deal with. I speak up when my fellow citizens exhibit the same lack of good sense.
You're not kidding anyone by making your unreasonable demands, you know. If you want war that cannot be circumvented by diplomacy, why don't you have the stones to come out and say so? Admit it - if the Gallente actually gave you back the planet, you'd only find another reason to go to war.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.07.06 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: Britannica
perhaps I have also jumped to conclusions upon reading strikeclones comments, I do feel he has been over the top in claiming those caldari willing to let go of the memories a lost homeworld are cowards
Strikeclone has a reputation for being as boorish as he is simple. You only need to see his responses to me to attest to his rudeness and lack of ability to see things from another perspective than one: his own.
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Strikeclone
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Posted - 2006.07.06 16:43:00 -
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Edited by: Strikeclone on 06/07/2006 16:43:02
Originally by: Beringe
Foolishness. The Federation will never allow a Caldari planet in their capital system. So, unless the Federation is either disbanded and reformed elsewhere (hence the move) or obliterated, this simply isn't going to happen.
The so-called patriots are the least able to live in peace with the Gallente, anyway. I'm not being coy when I say it's going to take genocide or a Gallente exodus for this to happen.
But this is still your opinion, no one has actually mention extermination or some mass exodus. Correct?
Originally by: Beringe
I'm appeasing noone. I'm trying to talk sense into some warmongering marionettes who give the Caldari reputation for clever efficiency a bad name.
And who exactly is clambering for war, Please remember to quote IN FULL the texts where I have demanded war.
Originally by: Beringe
I speak up when my fellow citizens exhibit the same lack of good sense.
Good sense according to your humbel opinion, your head grows large if you assume to speak for all Caldari.
Originally by: Beringe
You're not kidding anyone by making your unreasonable demands, you know. Quote:
Whats unreasonable about them, you want me and others who feel the same as me to give up on the cornerstone of our culture and heritage. Yet you will not part with a few measly ships to show your conviction in your words, and you wish to be taken seriously.....
Furthermore would not your gesture of disarming go a long way to appeasing the gallente in your soul....
Originally by: Beringe
If you want war that cannot be circumvented by diplomacy, why don't you have the stones to come out and say so? Admit it - if the Gallente actually gave you back the planet, you'd only find another reason to go to war.
I think you will find as others have done, that actually I am all for a diplomatic solution to this crucial issue, and have stated this many times.
You can't just wish this issue away away as if it was not there.
I fear you are reading to much anti strikeclone propaganda circulated by people who only barely know the people I orignally had the gall *chuckles softly* to stand up to a very very long time ago.
They have never forgiven me my arrogance in standing up and defending myself, I see now that though they may have moved on to greener pastures they have left behind a contingent of agents. Cowards I name them I may not pander to their every word and thus earn their scorn but at least I have the guts to do it myself and not via alter egos.
Originally by: Beringe
Originally by: Britannica
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perhaps I have also jumped to conclusions upon reading strikeclones comments, I do feel he has been over the top in claiming those caldari willing to let go of the memories a lost homeworld are cowards
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Strikeclone has a reputation for being as boorish as he is simple. You only need to see his responses to me to attest to his rudeness and lack of ability to see things from another perspective than one: his own.
My reputation is not the topic under discussion, but I see that you are quick to change the topic when you are faced with questions you can not answer. I respond in kind, as you are rude I am rude in turn, I do not then ask the IGS community to come to my aide against the bad man as hes "using big words and being nasty...waaa waaa waaa~"
Grow up. IT used to be that my little fan club of trolls would put on interesting displays of spin and imagiative word play , to say nothing important and make it seem my fault.
Clearly the agitator fund is running low. Ask your herd nicely prehaps they will give you more isk to purchase better grass that you may think better on a full stomach.
Either way stop digressing from the important national issues.
Strikeclone
Celer Et Audax
Caldari Prime will be ours again!
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Strikeclone
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Posted - 2006.07.06 16:51:00 -
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On a quick side note,
I wish to formally appologise to both Regat Kozovv and Britannia (hope I spelled them right)
In the heat of debates on topics as important as these harsh words are often said that would ordinarily have been said under cooler heads.
I honestly ment no insult to them or their opinions, even if I don't agree with them. We are not feral minmatar knife fighting over bunking rights to a scrawny female, we are proud Caldari, we would all do better to remember this. I have no doubts that though we may differ, our passion is what drives our nation forward and I have every confidence that each of us speaks for the way in which our nation and our people can best be served.
I hope that from this point on cooler head prevail and stick to the matters on the table. Personal grudges, especially very old third or fourth hand grudges should not be tabled here.
That is all I wish to say for now, unless I am called upon to refute/ratify further testimony.
Thank you
Strikeclone
Celer Et Audax
Caldari Prime will be ours again!
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Nooey
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Posted - 2006.07.06 17:28:00 -
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You don't speak for anyone.
Your outdated and absurd views on Caldari Prime, and a whole other assortment of narrow-minded views speak only of ignorance, and have no place in how our people or our state can be served.
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Kailea Shandrasekkar
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Posted - 2006.07.06 17:47:00 -
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Well, he speaks for me, as i share the same views regarding Caldari Prime.
I fear for those who fails to see that it's part of our cultural identity, an important part - one we must not forget. I never saw a true Caldari loyalist who didn't dreamed about stepping in a Caldari Prime once again under Caldari sovereignity.
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Regat Kozovv
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Posted - 2006.07.06 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Kailea Shandrasekkar
I never saw a true Caldari loyalist who didn't dreamed about stepping in a Caldari Prime once again under Caldari sovereignty.
This viewpoint seems to prevail among a number of persons here over these past few days, and it's one that worries me. The notion that all Caldari loyalists support the reacquisition of Caldari prime and as such all who do not favor it are not loyal to the state frightens me. I realize that some of you may not have said this expressly, but the number of statements along these lines leads me to believe this is not far from the truth.
Honestly, who here has been on Caldari Prime when it was a Caldari world? Kailea's comments and others seem to indicate that we all can recall playing and frolicking on the home world hundreds of years ago...
I for one didn't. I haven't spent time there, I wasn't even born there. the Caldari State consists of hundreds of worlds, and billions of our citizens have never called Caldari Prime home. The notion that we all long for something many of us never had an attachment to is incorrect.
Likewise, the desire to reclaim the world is in the interests of only a few, and therefore detrimental to the State at large.
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Kailea Shandrasekkar
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Posted - 2006.07.06 20:47:00 -
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We could keep arguing here for days, Regat, without reaching an understandment about which 'side' have 'fewer' followers. I believe that i share my views with a parcel of Caldari population far larger than 'only a few'. I've also a strong feeling that soon this matter will be of higher significance, and the Caldari megacorporations will publicly state their positions regarding Caldari Prime.
Apart from your sarcastic comments - something i'm not keen to resort to in healthy discussions, as it draws the attention from the arguments and focus it on unnecessary witty disputes - Caldari Prime have a strong significance, as i've already stated.
My House have served Caldari Navy for generations, and have members that fought alongside Tovil-Toba. So perhaps Caldari Prime have a stronger significance to my family, i acknowledge that. Does that fact diminishes the validity of my arguments?
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.07.06 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Strikeclone
I respond in kind, as you are rude I am rude in turn,
And yet, I was merely throwing your insults back at you.
I don't think you can claim to be a victim here, any more than a person who attempts to warp scramble a station in high security space.
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Strikeclone
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Posted - 2006.07.07 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Nooey
You don't speak for anyone.
I speak for myself, I have that right as do you. I have not and do not claim to speak for any other than myself.
Originally by: Nooey
Your outdated and absurd views on Caldari Prime, and a whole other assortment of narrow-minded views speak only of ignorance, and have no place in how our people or our state can be served.
I am not the only one who believes in our heritage, our culture, and our way of life.
Fully one third of the CEP for one thing.
Many nations claim to be free, but few earn that freedom as we have because freedom isn't free.
Generations of Caldari laboured and died to provide you with that freedom, and you squander it spewing statements like the one above.....
Stop grandstanding with your pathetic little grudge against me you probably can't even justify outside of personality clash.
Say something relevant about the topic if you can.
Strikeclone
Celer Et Audax
Caldari Prime will be ours again!
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Strikeclone
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Posted - 2006.07.07 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: Beringe
Originally by: Strikeclone
I respond in kind, as you are rude I am rude in turn,
And yet, I was merely throwing your insults back at you.
I don't think you can claim to be a victim here, any more than a person who attempts to warp scramble a station in high security space.
Re-read the thread you will find that it is you who first insult anyone. Insinuating that me and others who want to see homeworld returned to us are "warmongering marionettes"
You then go on to say, "If you want war that cannot be circumvented by diplomacy, why don't you have the stones to come out and say so?" not only is this inflammetory and insulting baqsically saying i have no b*ll*cks. But it is completely contrary to what I have been saying since teh beginning. I won't correct you here I am sure you can go back and re-read for yourself. Although I doubt you will.
You then further go on to say "Strikeclone has a reputation for being as boorish as he is simple" which may be your opinion although I don't recall speaking with you prior to this thread...one troll groupie fades into another as it were.....
And apparently my "rudeness" and "lack of ability to see things from another perspective than one: his own." Is your way of describing my rebutle of your posts.
Well to you I say hello pot this is kettle....
I suggest that we have both taken up ample space with our verbal fencing. If you have a grudge against me and have no alternative means of working out your issues, then start up a thread and try to bring more than hot air to prove your point. If in fact you or any of my shadows have one.
I for one merely wish to see our homeworld returned to us, and I fancy our home world is more important to my faction than your ships are too you. And I have yet to recieve those escrows.....
Strikeclone
Celer Et Audax
Caldari Prime will be ours again!
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Britannica
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Posted - 2006.07.07 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kailea Shandrasekkar
Well, he speaks for me, as i share the same views regarding Caldari Prime.
I fear for those who fails to see that it's part of our cultural identity, an important part - one we must not forget. I never saw a true Caldari loyalist who didn't dreamed about stepping in a Caldari Prime once again under Caldari sovereignity.
I remember the stories of Caldari prime told by the families of war heros, and seen many pictures of the landmarks, I did visit Caldari prime recently and saw the light of the huge gallente cities from orbit
it is a vital part of Caldari history, but then if the legends are true so is the planet called earth
strikeclone, I accept your apology. if we, two people from opposing veiwpoints within the state can accept we dont agree on a topic and admit we have been wrong in comments about, and to, each other. it may only be a matter of time until the same happens between the state and the federation
I have come to understand even more these past few days that the Caldari state is as strong as it is because of the patriots, the liberals and the other factions in the CEP, not because of one over the other
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.07.09 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Strikeclone
I say to Beringe and all the others who will talk complete rubbish in order to appease the gallentes, escrow me your ships, and all your equipment and send me all you money.
After all its only a few ships and guns and a few ISK, you can always get more.
Of course you will tell me to go to hell, and rightly so. Because you lack the courage of your convictions, you wouldhave us leave behind forever an entire planet but you would not part with your battleship to stand by your principles.
I await your escrow and cash with breathless anticipation......
What is this but an insult, to me specifically?
Sorry, I cannot debate with someone who denies easily verifiable fact.
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Nooey
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Posted - 2006.07.09 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kailea Shandrasekkar
Well, he speaks for me, as I share the same views regarding Caldari Prime.
So you also share his racist views? I speak of the way in which he addresses the Gallente, the Matari and probably even the Amarr too somewhere if I bothered reading half of what he dribbles out...
Something tells me that whilst you may have similar views with Strikeclown in some matters, you would be uncomfortable with him spouting racist rhetoric on your behalf.
He speaks for the only the most tragically pathetic minority of people, whom many would hesitate to call a real, thinking Caldari.
Strikeclown is just a tired echo of a slowly dying meme. He is an almost pitiable monologue of tired war slogans and appeals to false patriotism. I'm surprised that even one other person in this universe is happy to swallow delusions of this scale.
And no clown, I'm not your fan and you're nowhere near important enough to consider worthy of any lasting grudge. I think you'll find I only speak up and speak frequently when there's a reason. You just invariably provide me with plenty.
Every time you open your mouth, utter crap falls out.
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Karl Mattar
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Posted - 2006.07.09 16:09:00 -
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Strikeclone is not the issue here, and arguments in regard to him or any other individual are irrelevant.
What is relevant to this discussion is the future of the State. State security requires removing the Gallente threat.
Disarming the tension between the Federation and the State requires removing the one symbol that keeps the most rabidly anti-Federation faction going, and what keeps the symbol that keeps the Federation on the defensive.
That is Caldari Prime.
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Nooey
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Posted - 2006.07.09 16:29:00 -
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Please, do tell us more about this "Gallente threat". Is there some kind of alarming new development in Luminaire? Or are you just another warmonger talking out their ass?
We leave in peace-time people, and this little thing called reality begs to suggest that it wont come to an end in a war fought over "symbols".
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Yuki Li
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Posted - 2006.07.09 16:39:00 -
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So this begs the question of how many shades of stupid can you fit into one discussion, really.
Apparantly quite a few, and mostly shades of the same colour of stupid.
Why do you happy smiling people insist on going back in time, when the State is flourishing in its current position? There's a hundred million planets out there to be conquered, colonised and controlled, that could be handled with such ease.
Why on earth would you want the one planet back that we couldn't defend, entirely for the reason that it was in the heart of Gallente space?
I've no love for the Gallente Federation, and i'd be quite happy to join the blast-the-Fed bandwagon if ever there becomes one, but not for the sake of a rock we died losing.
You're bitter idiots, there's region upon region of space populated by Guristas and you're more interested in one planet.
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Malthros Zenobia
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Posted - 2006.07.09 17:05:00 -
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You are all discussing something that doesn't need discussion, it's not how, when, why, or what if we take back Caldari Prime.
It will be returned to us once the Gallente elect Blaque, and he starts a war with us. The CEP will marshall the troops, and we will sweep through the Federation until they beg for Blaque's war to end, and the CEP will most likely tell them to return Caldari Prime (and other Caldari planets that were taken) if they want the war to end.
The Republic won't get involved, because they have enough work to do as it is. Many Intaki will see the war as their chance for true freedom, and the Mordu numbers will surge like nothing we've ever seen before, adding even more power to the already powerful legion which stands next to its Caldari allies. Perhaps the Legion would take it upon themselves to become the Navy for a Intaki State. That would be a wonderful thing to see.
You see, it doesn't matter what the dicussion of war and loss of life is, because all the talking will be brought to an end when the xenophobicc Blaque becomes the Federation's president, and he causes war with us. We won't start the fighting, but we will finish it, and all that was taken will be returned.
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Nooey
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Posted - 2006.07.09 18:26:00 -
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Yet more self-certain delusions to make Kimotoro Directive look even more pathetic.
I know there's intelligent, capable pilots in the Alliance, I'm good friends with some of them, but honestly, you're all rabbiting on like a bunch of lobotomized political scientists on mindflood.
Get a grip.
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Karl Mattar
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Posted - 2006.07.10 13:29:00 -
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Nooey, what is the reason for this hostility toward other Caldari? Are you a Federation sympathizer? Why would you be so arrogant towards us, your comrades, unless it is to curry the favor of Gallente politicians?
The Federation system depends on the plundering of resources for their own citizens. Like a parasite, they always need new infusions of labor and materials to feed their corrupt system. Yesterday it was the Caldari worlds. Today, it is Minmatar immigrants. Tomorrow, who knows?
We are not the aggressors here. Our "hate-mongering" is simply a reflection of the past performance of the Federation. Expecting them to act any different than their nature dictates is the definition of "delusional". The more we prepare for war, the stronger the peace will be.
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Nooey
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Posted - 2006.07.10 14:18:00 -
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If you had at least one eye open you'd see I wasn't being hostile because they're Caldari.
Nice try though.
So, now that you're done trying to paint me as something I'm clearly not, care to actually address the post Yuki made where the nonsense you and others spout was entirely obliterated?
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Kailea Shandrasekkar
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Posted - 2006.07.10 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Nooey
Something tells me that whilst you may have similar views with Strikeclown in some matters, you would be uncomfortable with him spouting racist rhetoric on your behalf.
As i consider you an intelligent person, Nooey, I'd ask you to keep the higher moral ground. So please no petty offenses.
I've served under Strikeclone on the XV Squadron, and we had our healthy share of members from other 'races' there - a term which i don't like to resort, even being the official one. We EVE citizens have the same origins, or so the genetic fingerprints says.
I agree with Strike that Caldari Prime is one of the most important symbols the Caldari people have - a symbol which continues to cause stirr after so much time. It can build great bridges between our people and Gallente, or drag us to a all-out war. Which choice will the Gallente government and Caldari megacorps choose?
Originally by: Nooey
(...)care to actually address the post Yuki made where the nonsense you and others spout was entirely obliterated?
I admit i fail to notice how an Ad Hominem attack obliterates an argument - it only comfirms her inability to state her toughts.
The points she raised have already been debated a few posts ago. I suggest both of you to read the entire thread; after that i'm most than willing to hear your ideas and comments.
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Posted - 2006.07.10 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Nooey
Yet more self-certain delusions to make Kimotoro Directive look even more pathetic.
I know there's intelligent, capable pilots in the Alliance, I'm good friends with some of them, but honestly, you're all rabbiting on like a bunch of lobotomized political scientists on mindflood.
Get a grip.
Karl and Malthros do not speak for the Directive, Nooey, nor do they speak for CAIN. The CEP has expressed no desire to retake Caldari Prime -- a stance for which I am already on record as a supporter, and one which CAIN and the Directive, as loyal corporations in service of the CEP and the State, have pledged to uphold. In the future, do not try to paint us all with one brush -- as there are differences between various parties in the State, there are differences in the Directive. That does not change the fact that we hold the State and its welfare above all else, not any specific corporation, not any political faction, and not any one person. The State is greater than all of these, and it is the safety of the state which most concerns us all -- some members simply differ on the method of doing so. I would hope that Omerta, despite their well-known feud with Ishukone, would feel the same way.
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Regat Kozovv
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Posted - 2006.07.10 19:04:00 -
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Kai has made a number of good points, which I'd like to address. While this is primarily addressed to her, I think the discussion could benefit all.
Kai: I in no way intend to disrespect your heritage (and a proud one at that) from Caldari Prime, I do think that the vast number of Caldari citizens (not just capsule pilots) do not benefit from such an illustrious past. This argument largely boils down to "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". In this instance, I truly do believe that the numbers of citizens expressing serious support for acquiring Caldari Prime slants heavily towards the few. Of course, this is an estimate at best, since most of these people I have just named are not in a position to join on our discussion. I recognize this vulnerability in my argument.
I do think Yuki (and my) concerns have not been properly addressed nonetheless. I haven't heard any plans or ideas for holding onto such a world should this matter result to force. I pose this question to everyone, and not just Kai.
I do think I should capitalize on one of Kai's comments, however, and that is that the issue of Caldari Prime "can build great bridges between our people".
This is a position I have not considered, and as far-fetched and cynical my idea will sound, I will put it forth anyways. It might be possible to negotiate an agreement on Caldari Prime in which the world was co-governed or even handed over to Caldari control, with the understanding that it will not be used to harbor naval vessels or other forms of offensive military strength. Such an agreement already exists in Tierijev with a good deal of success.
I believe however that any agreement may look more like the former (co-governance) unless the Caldari State offers something to improve the deal. This may take the form of some assurance on the halt of all operations in Gallente space, or some sort of comprehensive trade deal. Either way, The Gallente Federation will not want to look as though they are simply acquiescing to Caldari demands, so the State will need to bring something to the table.
Simply negotiate for the planet itself I do not think would yield much. But perhaps including it as part of a larger, more substantial agreement would yield better results, and perhaps even put an end to this feuding.
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Britannica
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Posted - 2006.07.11 09:28:00 -
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Quote:
This is a position I have not considered, and as far-fetched and cynical my idea will sound, I will put it forth anyways. It might be possible to negotiate an agreement on Caldari Prime in which the world was co-governed or even handed over to Caldari control, with the understanding that it will not be used to harbor naval vessels or other forms of offensive military strength. Such an agreement already exists in Tierijev with a good deal of success.
this could be the most profitable idea for the state on the subject of regaining Caldari prime
I see little the federation may want in exchange for handing over Caldari prime. the Jovians deal directly with the state more often than the other empires even selling technology to us, we could alow the Gallente access to the technology and information in exchange of join control of caldari prime
however some of the problems with negotiating for Caldari prime are the anti-Caldari feelings Mentas Blaque has been stirring and both sides believe they have the stronger position and are unlikely to back down and compromise at this point in time
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Kailea Shandrasekkar
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Posted - 2006.07.11 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Regat Kozovv
Kai: I in no way intend to disrespect your heritage (and a proud one at that) from Caldari Prime, I do think that the vast number of Caldari citizens (not just capsule pilots) do not benefit from such an illustrious past.
Regat, i'm relieved to read your post - and stated opinions. People goes all jumpy when it comes to discuss Caldari Prime, and often starts verbal aggressions.
I see your point and its value; but please allow me to demonstrate that i'm not drive only by a personal (or familiar) issue. Caldari Prime (and its loss) is something that lies deep inside Caldari psyche, even if not so clearly at first sight. Every children learns about it, all militar corporations have commemorative days for it, our entertainment industry have exposed several views about it. Some of our business management models (mainly military, but not limited to) were defined by the Caldari-Gallente war. It provoked an upheaval which led to a technological boost in weapon systems and military ship manufacturing. And it all happened because our society is steeped in military tradition.
That said, i'll state this: We must obtain Caldari Prime back, exactly to sate our military tradition. It's about honor and pride. The Gallente possession hurts our collective identity. I can barely imagine the social benefits that would originate from a Caldari sovereignity over Caldari Prime.
I'll add something more: The logical way for the Gallente is just to hand it over to Caldari State. Why i say that? It's only a planet; it can boost our mutual relations to unknown levels; and having it deep inside Gallente space is like the historical Shogunates in Old Terra, when a Daymio should send his wife or daughters to live inside the Shogun's castle - thus restraining the Daymios from acting against the Shogun. Still a delicate balance of power, but not one that would hurt our pride.
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Roy Gordon
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Posted - 2006.07.11 16:45:00 -
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It is an affront to all true Caldari citizens that Prime still resides in the hands of the Gallente. Those who advocate sharing Prime with other races do not deserve the title Caldari nor should they dare call themselves 'citizen'. No, it is the duty of all citizens to do what they must to ensure that Prime is returned once more to its rightful place, namely, to the State itself.
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Yuki Li
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Posted - 2006.07.11 19:13:00 -
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We won the war and we have our sovereignity, the independance that the war was actually about, unsurprisingly nothing to do with one planet.
Bury the past already - if you can't swallow that our independance cost us one planet, then you've no concept of what it's worth.
Let me give you a clue. A damn sight more than Caldari Prime is.
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Derran
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Posted - 2006.07.11 21:39:00 -
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I can't believe I am going to say it but I actually agree with Yuki.
While one side says it is fighting for a 'cause', it seems to keep pointing towards a fight to try to heal injured pride. A war that can lead to the loss of millions of lives over a piece of rock that has been the territory of the Federation for many decades. That doesn't appear to be so much as a cause as much as it does an act of pride. There are wars for freedom from oppression and slaver and there are wars to defend oneself. You want to intigate a war because 'it was yours'. Are you still children in the playground?
I am actually half Caldari and historically I can definitely sympathize with the oppression they suffered from the once tyrannical government that controlled the Federation, but a war over this now is lunancy.
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Karl Mattar
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Posted - 2006.07.12 01:15:00 -
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Edited by: Karl Mattar on 12/07/2006 01:17:33
Funny, Yuki & Nooey, but you both sound just like Ishukone drones when you talk like that. What is it you have against them again? Too militaristic for you? See, I can make personal attacks instead of getting to the point too. /sarcasm
Yes, we have our independence. Just like a slaver hound turned out of his cage and kicked into the street.
That is not enough. Not near enough.
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