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BLOOGDORY
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Posted - 2014.06.25 13:29:00 -
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Plus one from moi. Ain't nothing turn me on moar than a good old nerfbat spanking session. Dinsdale Pirannha for CEO of CCP |
Edwin McAlister
Interstellar Engineering and Electronics INC
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Posted - 2014.06.25 14:29:00 -
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Cassius Invictus wrote:I would not change my Paladin for any other ships. Over 100 km on scroch ammo is nuts. And you can't instapop frigates with Golem.
bull ****, have insta poped frigs many times... 2x TP + 1x Web = deaded frig |
Bohneik Itohn
Amarrian Salvage Gnomes and Associates
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Posted - 2014.06.25 14:32:00 -
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Edwin McAlister wrote:Cassius Invictus wrote:I would not change my Paladin for any other ships. Over 100 km on scroch ammo is nuts. And you can't instapop frigates with Golem. bull ****, have insta poped frigs many times... 2x TP + 1x Web = deaded frig
You mean you traded tank to be able to apply more DPS in a Golem?
OH NO! Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.06.25 14:47:00 -
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Edwin McAlister wrote:Cassius Invictus wrote:I would not change my Paladin for any other ships. Over 100 km on scroch ammo is nuts. And you can't instapop frigates with Golem. bull ****, have insta poped frigs many times... 2x TP + 1x Web = deaded frig
I wish I could web as far as I can blap with guns so I can wait a few more seconds for my missile to reach the target... |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
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Posted - 2014.06.25 15:47:00 -
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The guristas/angels missions needs to be either removed from Amarr space or reduced in frequency. it is really annoying when you get a guristas mission so you skip it and the next one is against either angels or guristas. then u have to find another agent or wait 4 hours.
Minmatar and Caldari don't have such restrictions, why should Amarr? to make matters worse Minmatar enemies tickle u with target painters whereas Blood Raiders and Sansha use Tracking Disrupters? imbalance or wtf
Caldari enemies (Guristas) have respectable ewar though. to be clear im not saying its impossible to do angels or guristas missions in a laser boat. it just takes forever, and It's a waste of damage to my crystals... So in the end I'm losing more isk than I'm gaining.
oh and imagine all the players with lowish skills. how the hell can they cope with those missions? |
Bohneik Itohn
Amarrian Salvage Gnomes and Associates
367
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Posted - 2014.06.25 16:05:00 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:The guristas/angels missions needs to be either removed from Amarr space or reduced in frequency. it is really annoying when you get a guristas mission so you skip it and the next one is against either angels or guristas. then u have to find another agent or wait 4 hours.
Minmatar and Caldari don't have such restrictions, why should Amarr? to make matters worse Minmatar enemies tickle u with target painters whereas Blood Raiders and Sansha use Tracking Disrupters? imbalance or wtf
Caldari enemies (Guristas) have respectable ewar though. to be clear im not saying its impossible to do angels or guristas missions in a laser boat. it just takes forever, and It's a waste of damage to my crystals... So in the end I'm losing more isk than I'm gaining.
oh and imagine all the players with lowish skills. how the hell can they cope with those missions?
Why? To homogenize your PvE experience even further so that it requires even less thought?
Great idea... Just what we need. Let's nerf PvE content and make it all the same...
Fit up a 'geddon with some sentries so you can switch out your damage types if it's that big of a deal. You fly Amarr, Amarr also uses missiles and drones reasonably well. Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2014.06.25 16:31:00 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:Hello there. This has been going on for far too long... You have to agree with me on that whenever anybody talks about the T3 cruisers, everybody suggest one using the Tengu... or when doing level 4 missions, everybody suggest using the Golem.
These missile boats have become overpowered and completely overshadow every other race ships. The same goes for Pirate factions, the Nightmare is close to useless compared to the Vindicator or the Machariel.
It seems to me that Caldari has been "owning" the universe of New Eden for quite too long. I think one of the best examples of how overpowered the Tengu is, is by showing it with HAM missiles where it hits over the 900 dps, which can only be matched with a Battleship. A cruiser doing more damage than a BS, how pathetic is that?
Are you aware that pretty much all T3s can achieve battleship-grade DPS? I'm assuming you're not, since you seem to think this is noteworthy.
Quote: Now, Amarr could live in peace with their own PVE, if the Pirate factions like Guristas and Serpentis wasn't so ridicously strong in EM and Thermal damage, and I seriously mean ridicously strong... Especially in The Assault and Dread Pirate Scarlett where it's close to impossible for Amarr battleships to break their tank without sacrificing too much of their own tank for dmg mods. Now I could just choose not to do it... Sure, but that would create an imbalance where it's easier for Caldari to do it, making it easier for them to earn isk than everyone else.
I've never had trouble in any level 4 mission, in any ship I chose to bring. Maybe you're bad?
Quote:Beside this, Caldari has always been able to keep up their dps without sacrificing tank for dps, which is also a problem that needs fixing or balancing.
I think this is a urgent problem in the world of PVE that needs adressing relatively soon. Of all the races, Amarr are the ones who has the biggest challenge in PVE. Amarr ships has to sacrifice a great deal of tank to keep up dps, unlike Caldari who got their fancy invulability modules.
Thanks in advance Regards Celthric
There's no such thing as an "urgent problem in the world of PvE". "Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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Margaret Croke
East Eve Trading Co The Diogenes Club
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Posted - 2014.06.25 16:32:00 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:Hello there. It seems to me that Caldari has been "owning" the universe of New Eden for quite too long.
What private server have you been playing on? |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
1024
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Posted - 2014.06.25 16:35:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:...OP, are you trolling?
Has anyone actually seen a caldari ship bigger than a frigate in a PVP gang lately?
OP thinks PvE is important. "Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Elusive Panda
Gendry's Leech Nerfed Alliance Go Away
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Posted - 2014.06.25 16:42:00 -
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I usually recommend people to leave high-sec, stop missioning/mining and get to known low-sec and 0.0, but in your case OP, it's going to be the opposite.
Please stay in high-sec and never leave, you complete inability to adapt scares the hell out of me. |
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Bohneik Itohn
Amarrian Salvage Gnomes and Associates
369
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Posted - 2014.06.25 16:42:00 -
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So now that that's out of the way...
Can we nerf Caldari ships anyways for being ugly? Wait, CCP kills kittens now too?!-á - Freyya
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Saelem Black
Savage Knights
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Posted - 2014.06.25 17:00:00 -
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Bohneik Itohn wrote:So now that that's out of the way...
Can we nerf Caldari ships anyways for being ugly?
Bahahaha! It has its gems, though I wish they'd deal with the blackbird. *shutter* Does anyone know if they've put the new shaders on the Rokh yet? It still seems... meh compared to the new moa or the naga.
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Fer'isam K'ahn
None Of One
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Posted - 2014.06.25 17:07:00 -
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First : ... balance... PvE ... in a PvP game = fail Second : Same ship/fit for all missions = fail Not knowing what you are talking about = can you guess ?
Are you sure your issues aren't elsewhere ?! |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
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Posted - 2014.06.25 19:00:00 -
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Fer'isam K'ahn wrote:-1
First : ... balance... PvE ... in a PvP game = fail Second : Same ship/fit for all missions = fail Not knowing what you are talking about = can you guess ?
Maybe you don't notice how PvE gives PvPers prey and allows PvPers a source of ISK with which to pay their expenses. What was that about not knowing what you're talking about? PvE is a necessary and core component of EVE, unless you think CCP should just start giving everyone free ISK on a daily basis. PvE has been here since Day 1 and will remain until the servers close. As such, there's no reason why it shouldn't be balanced and of good quality.
That's not to say I agree with OP; OP is an idiot. It just happens that you're an idiot too.
Your entire post = fail. Use the toilet next time instead of the forums. |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2014.06.25 19:29:00 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:So wait.. all those times I saw people saying that the Vargur is the king of mission ships, they were actually typoing "Golem" very badly? You know, its amazing how many people forget that the Golem looses 1/4 of its DPS to NPC defender missiles a good portion of the time. Vargur > Golem any day. |
Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
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Posted - 2014.06.25 21:39:00 -
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I care about pvp. Gallente ships currently represent about 65 to 70 percent of the ships used in pvp. Gallente are horribly unbalanced. |
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Cult of Mooby
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Posted - 2014.06.25 21:49:00 -
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Phaade wrote:I care about pvp. Gallente ships currently represent about 65 to 70 percent of the ships used in pvp. Gallente are horribly unbalanced. Yea! Nerf Gallente for.... well something because.... stuff!!! |
Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
194
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Posted - 2014.06.25 22:17:00 -
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scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:Phaade wrote:I care about pvp. Gallente ships currently represent about 65 to 70 percent of the ships used in pvp. Gallente are horribly unbalanced. Yea! Nerf Gallente for.... well something because.... stuff!!!
Because they are massively over represented in PvP.....would be the something...and stuff....
Reading comprehension. |
Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
100
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Posted - 2014.06.25 22:48:00 -
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Speaking as a total high sec bear. I've been trying to get out missiles(caldari) for a long time. Gunnery especially with the marauder changes is the most optimal PvE weapon platform. Splitting guns on frigates on approach, application on cruiser sized ships adds up to make for the fastest mission completion time. Why do missiles fail imho, overkill and underkill. Depending on the bounty on a ship different dps is needed and you have to wait and see also you lose more dps then people want to talk about to defenders in anything but torpedo golem, and that is a chunk of SP further it would be childish to suggest such a niche SP venture as OP. Since it really doesn't shine as the ultimate marauder.
Drones post nerf aren't great, sure they are awesome in certain setups and specific ships, like a certain gallente HAC. But across the line, drones aren't it because 1: 1 sec dps application delay, all the small ticks cut into your dps. 2: Micromanagement and drone loss. 3: Slow response. 4: Sentries being the main drone for PvE use need you to be stationary. 5:You can't split guns and kill off frigates quickly in fact that is where slow response really hurts, because their approach is so fast the window for frigs to close in is rather enlarged with sentries.
Gunnery, it applies instantly, has no tracking issues with enough range, just one click, and when things get close there should only be BS/BC left or you suck, yes you suck :P. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
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Posted - 2014.06.25 23:15:00 -
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All my pals fly around in bait proteuses. Massive dps, enormous ehp, I'm a purist though and fly around in t1 and t2 amarr, which is why I'm **** at pvp. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
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Onslaughtor
Occult National Security Affirmative.
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Posted - 2014.06.25 23:21:00 -
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It comes down to 2 things. Shield tanks are better for missions as they are more effective when active tanking and they allow ships to deal better DPS. Second is that missiles have really good range and damage put out by them is reduced, only based on the statistics of the target, and at that never miss if in range. These means that caldari missile ships are in many ways perfect for a PVE environment such as lvl4s.
Missile ships are good for PVP in many places but due to extreme damage mitigation from piloting and force preservation from logistics, missiles aren't always the optimum choice. In other PVE content missile ships fair fairly well in all but incursions, where the delay in damage slows the fleet down and makes them in-optimal. |
Michael Mach
Nova Wolves
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Posted - 2014.06.28 17:15:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:...OP, are you trolling?
Has anyone actually seen a caldari ship bigger than a frigate in a PVP gang lately?
I've seen Caracals quite often by reds and blues alike in the thunderdome of PVP that is Provi. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
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Posted - 2014.06.28 17:36:00 -
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funny thread. thanks all. EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
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Posted - 2014.06.28 21:37:00 -
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Danika Princip wrote:...OP, are you trolling?
Has anyone actually seen a caldari ship bigger than a frigate in a PVP gang lately? This.
I've been reading OPs post expecting a sudden twist only to realize there are none.
The hell??
Do you know how useless the missiles become when a single smartbomb makes its entrance?
Crows are hot stuff right now, moas and vultures are good and rail tengus are pretty great too.
But that's about it . Also notice how only 1 of these ships is using missiles?
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Vas Eldryn
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Posted - 2014.06.29 00:56:00 -
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I'd say the caldari missile boats are the king of high sec missions.
Gallente are the king of null sec pve
And i'd place gallente, amarr and minmatar above caldari for pvp overall (although thats just my opinion). |
Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
314
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Posted - 2014.06.29 12:03:00 -
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Vas Eldryn wrote:I'd say the caldari missile boats are the king of high sec missions.
Gallente are the king of null sec pve
And i'd place gallente, amarr and minmatar above caldari for pvp overall (although thats just my opinion). edit: with the exception of caldari's rail ships
Wasn't the whole point of the rebalancing effort to make all ships have a place in PVP?
Is it really caldari that is bad (yes, kinetic only bonus FOAD) or are the missile systems just really bad? (Yes, Torps are dog-**** on anything but golem/SB, HAMs are meh, HML are terrible, RLML are broken, citadel missiles are so horribly broken they had to change the sig radii on nearly every structure and capital in game to make them work the same they did before) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=348015 T3 OHing subsystem review and rebalance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290346 LP faction weapon store costs rebalancing
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