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Marko box
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.11.19 11:19:00 -
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I encoutered this not long ago and decided to share this with you since its prity damn good way of catching basicly any cloacked ship, even the nullified ones.
1. Abandon lots of t1 drones in a sphere 15km araud the gate. Obviously a drone boat would be perfect for this (or few of them), it might take u 10-15min to set it up but once u do you are set for two hours. Up side of this is that no one will bother trying to shoot down all the drones, unlike with bubles which ppl like to shoot just to **** u off 2. Sit on the gate with instalocking ship (use or imagination on this one)
If u feel like it u can garnish this with some bubles but they are not that nesesery tbh. What happens is that once ship jumps in it cannot decloack due to having a good chance of being in proximity of one of the abandoned drones. This tactic can be used in low sec with ease because bubles are not rly nesesarry to catch t3 ships or covert industrials
Disclaimer: I DID NOT INVENT THIS. Im just being a nice guy and sharing this with you because it seems like the moust effective way to camp a gate i encountered so far (and this is coming from a guy who jumps into few gate camps a day).
Also dont go bonkers on the abandoned drones because ccp might decided that u are causaing lag if some1 pettitiones it.
HF camping o7 |
Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
98
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Posted - 2011.11.19 11:25:00 -
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perfekt fer catchngi all those dishonerabel gankbears who uze T3 linkz which r so unfair!!!!!! |
Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity Narwhals Ate My Duck
5
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Posted - 2011.11.19 13:30:00 -
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one word: dramiel |
Smiling Menace
Star Nebulae Holdings Inc.
34
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Posted - 2011.11.20 20:52:00 -
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2 words: instalocking Stiletto.
Anyone wanna go for 3? |
Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
64
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Posted - 2011.11.20 21:11:00 -
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We had a member who had apparently failed to learn to spell once. He even told us a story that his spell check didn't work and he didn't know why. We eventually found out that it was because Word tries to detect what language you're writing automatically and had apparently given up on him.
We gently ribbed him and to this day refer to him as our worst poster and he's improved significantly. His number of spelling errors per sentence are now well within the norm.
Maybe PODLA should do that for this guy. |
Jamradar
Autocannons Anonymous
7
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Posted - 2011.11.21 00:45:00 -
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Marko box wrote:I encoutered this not long ago and decided to share this with you since its prity damn good way of catching basicly any cloacked ship, even the nullified ones. 1. Abandon lots of t1 drones in a sphere 15km araud the gate. Obviously a drone boat would be perfect for this (or few of them), it might take u 10-15min to set it up but once u do you are set for two hours. Up side of this is that no one will bother trying to shoot down all the drones, unlike with bubles which ppl like to shoot just to **** u off 2. Sit on the gate with instalocking ship (use or imagination on this one) If u feel like it u can garnish this with some bubles but they are not that nesesery tbh. What happens is that once ship jumps in it cannot decloack due to having a good chance of being in proximity of one of the abandoned drones. This tactic can be used in low sec with ease because bubles are not rly nesesarry to catch t3 ships or covert industrials Disclaimer: I DID NOT INVENT THIS. Im just being a nice guy and sharing this with you because it seems like the moust effective way to camp a gate i encountered so far (and this is coming from a guy who jumps into few gate camps a day). Also dont go bonkers on the abandoned drones because ccp might decided that u are causaing lag if some1 pettitiones it. HF camping o7
the littering the gate with lots and lots of garbage to decloak might also be treading into a petition for deliberately slowing down the server, last I heard. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration
155
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Posted - 2011.11.21 00:49:00 -
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Jamradar wrote:Marko box wrote:I encoutered this not long ago and decided to share this with you since its prity damn good way of catching basicly any cloacked ship, even the nullified ones. 1. Abandon lots of t1 drones in a sphere 15km araud the gate. Obviously a drone boat would be perfect for this (or few of them), it might take u 10-15min to set it up but once u do you are set for two hours. Up side of this is that no one will bother trying to shoot down all the drones, unlike with bubles which ppl like to shoot just to **** u off 2. Sit on the gate with instalocking ship (use or imagination on this one) If u feel like it u can garnish this with some bubles but they are not that nesesery tbh. What happens is that once ship jumps in it cannot decloack due to having a good chance of being in proximity of one of the abandoned drones. This tactic can be used in low sec with ease because bubles are not rly nesesarry to catch t3 ships or covert industrials Disclaimer: I DID NOT INVENT THIS. Im just being a nice guy and sharing this with you because it seems like the moust effective way to camp a gate i encountered so far (and this is coming from a guy who jumps into few gate camps a day). Also dont go bonkers on the abandoned drones because ccp might decided that u are causaing lag if some1 pettitiones it. HF camping o7 the littering the gate with lots and lots of garbage to decloak might also be treading into a petition for deliberately slowing down the server, last I heard.
No... if you do it to lag out the server it's an exploit, and if you do it to decloak a ship it is not. Where the line in between the two exists is a little grey, and subject to GM investigation.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1555366&page=1#4
...bottom line: Using cans or bodies to decloak is NOT an exploit. All GëíGêçGëí Ships | Many Odd GëíGêçGëí Items (+Drones) | <-- Links to showInfo in-game |
Vandiilo
Port Royal Buccaneers
0
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Posted - 2011.11.21 05:39:00 -
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Smiling Menace wrote:2 words: instalocking Stiletto.
Anyone wanna go for 3?
La che sis
amidoinitrite?
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Mr Bigwinky
Click Click BOOM 4U Holdings Inc
36
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Posted - 2011.11.21 12:49:00 -
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Marko box wrote:I encoutered this not long ago and decided to share this with you since its prity damn good way of catching basicly any cloacked ship, even the nullified ones. 1. Abandon lots of t1 drones in a sphere 15km araud the gate. Obviously a drone boat would be perfect for this (or few of them), it might take u 10-15min to set it up but once u do you are set for two hours. Up side of this is that no one will bother trying to shoot down all the drones, unlike with bubles which ppl like to shoot just to **** u off 2. Sit on the gate with instalocking ship (use or imagination on this one) If u feel like it u can garnish this with some bubles but they are not that nesesery tbh. What happens is that once ship jumps in it cannot decloack due to having a good chance of being in proximity of one of the abandoned drones. This tactic can be used in low sec with ease because bubles are not rly nesesarry to catch t3 ships or covert industrials Disclaimer: I DID NOT INVENT THIS. Im just being a nice guy and sharing this with you because it seems like the moust effective way to camp a gate i encountered so far (and this is coming from a guy who jumps into few gate camps a day). Also dont go bonkers on the abandoned drones because ccp might decided that u are causaing lag if some1 pettitiones it. HF camping o7 Apart from wanting to kill myself / yourself for posting.. whatever that was, I do have a note which doesn't relate to your spelling or grammar:P
IF you do this in low-sec and the drones are yours and you GCC to shoot the T3, gate guns will eat all of your drones. Null-sec is another matter of course.
- Winky Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself GÖÑ |
Nex apparatu5
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
70
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Posted - 2011.11.21 16:41:00 -
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Smiling Menace wrote:2 words: instalocking Stiletto.
Anyone wanna go for 3?
Remote sebo'd hictor |
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Alyssa Yotosala
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2011.11.22 00:01:00 -
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Nex apparatu5 wrote:Smiling Menace wrote:2 words: instalocking Stiletto.
Anyone wanna go for 3? Remote sebo'd hictor
Lol, U a bit slow there Bub? That was soooo 6 posts ago... |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
195
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Posted - 2011.11.22 10:39:00 -
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Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic, thank you. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Lyrka Bloodberry
Spybeaver
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Posted - 2011.11.22 10:55:00 -
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Game mechanics question: Will the jumpcloak be interrupted if you land in range of a drone or will it last the full 60 seconds? Spybeaver |
Marko box
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
3
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Posted - 2011.11.22 13:00:00 -
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Lyrka Bloodberry wrote:Game mechanics question: Will the jumpcloak be interrupted if you land in range of a drone or will it last the full 60 seconds?
I think it does. |
Shaidar Hussan
Uncontrollable Violence Rage Alliance
14
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Posted - 2011.11.23 00:39:00 -
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Lyrka Bloodberry wrote:Game mechanics question: Will the jumpcloak be interrupted if you land in range of a drone or will it last the full 60 seconds? You're still cloaked I believe, but it's only 30 second FYI |
Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2011.11.23 09:57:00 -
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Shaidar Hussan wrote:Lyrka Bloodberry wrote:Game mechanics question: Will the jumpcloak be interrupted if you land in range of a drone or will it last the full 60 seconds? You're still cloaked I believe, but it's only 30 second FYI
Test it, it's been 60 seconds for a very long time.
30 seconds is your session change timer, which is dropping to 20 soon!
Edit: you remain cloaked until you move, then the drones make it so you can't recloak. |
Aryu Sirius
ORE WHORES GALOURE Intrepid Crossing
0
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Posted - 2011.11.24 13:53:00 -
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This is a fail tactic. I at first thought this could be something new I didn't know could work but after testing it out on a normal non-region gate and dropping over 60 drones I never got a single warp in to land next to a drone. The closes drone I got to was 4km more than enough to stear clear of. |
Ikra Atarm
Bodybag Industries Mean Coalition
1
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Posted - 2011.11.24 22:06:00 -
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Last time my mates did this they got pettioned although they put out over 300 drones |
Sphit Ker
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
36
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Posted - 2011.11.26 18:26:00 -
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Im pretty sure spawning within 2,000m of a drone upon gate jump will not decloak you per but it will prevent re-cloaking. c/d |
Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
354
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Posted - 2011.11.27 08:25:00 -
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Sphit Ker wrote:Im pretty sure spawning within 2,000m of a drone upon gate jump will not decloak you per but it will prevent re-cloaking. c/d
c |
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Soldarius
Peek-A-Boo Bombers
78
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Posted - 2011.11.28 06:44:00 -
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Also confirming. Unfortunately, the odds of any 1 ship spawning within 2000m of one of your drones is very small.
Maths: surface of a sphere is 4pir^2. Since the ships spawn roughly 12km from the gate, a sphere of 12,000m radius would have a surface area of 1,809,557,368m2. As you would require a drone every 2000m, you would thus require 904,779 drones/cans/etc to completely cover the surface of the sphere.
I believe all objects are spheres as far as Eve's physics engine is concerned. This does not take size of the object spheres into account, which reduce the total number of objects required. But I think you get the point.
remote sebo an inty. It's much easier.
"How do you kill that which has no life?" |
mingetek
DustWaffe DUST ALLIANCE
20
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Posted - 2011.11.28 10:54:00 -
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to catch one of these ship in null sec you need..
10% dumb luck 23% pilot error 47% fast ceptors 9% lag 1% drones out 100% lulz .. |
BearJews
Holdingz
3
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Posted - 2011.11.28 16:45:00 -
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Or you can fit a warp core stabilizer in the low and laugh at the insta locking ship. Usually when i travel with a cloaky, nullified tengu i have a ton of EHP and a bunch of warp core stab in the bottom meaning they'll need at least 2-3 fast locking ships (most use disrupters i'd assume) |
Tamiya Sarossa
Hedion University Amarr Empire
104
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Posted - 2011.11.28 21:03:00 -
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Soldarius wrote:Also confirming. Unfortunately, the odds of any 1 ship spawning within 2000m of one of your drones is very small.
Maths: surface of a sphere is 4pir^2. Since the ships spawn roughly 12km from the gate, a sphere of 12,000m radius would have a surface area of 1,809,557,368m2. As you would require a drone every 2000m, you would thus require 904,779 drones/cans/etc to completely cover the surface of the sphere.
I believe all objects are spheres as far as Eve's physics engine is concerned. This does not take size of the object spheres into account, which reduce the total number of objects required. But I think you get the point.
remote sebo an inty. It's much easier.
Almost, but not quite - you're forgetting that a drone decloaks anything within a 2000m radius circle of it, so you need less than one every 2000m. It's much easier to do all the math in km, since it's 2k and 12k radius.
4pi(12)^2=576*pi km2 surface area - embedding circles of area 2^2*pi=4pi km2 (area in which a drone will decloak) in it results in you needing only 144 drones - of course this isn't exact since circles don't tile so you'll have to have some overlap, but as you mentioned the fact that ships have a non-zero radius makes this much less of an issue and in fact greatly reduces the number of drones needed for the tactic to be effective. Once people get 60+ properly placed drones, I've observed near 100% decloak rates on non-constellation or regional gates.
Jump in a couple times and abandon drones to get a guidline, then fill in the rest of the sphere. You might not get everyone but you'll get enough to make it worth your while. |
Mike Whiite
Progressive State
4
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Posted - 2011.11.30 10:53:00 -
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I've seen this tactics used in low sec a couple of times, until now it never even got close to decloaking one of my ships.
144 drones * what is it 50.000isk is 7.200.000 investment in the hope you can catch a blockade runner of a Tengu,
Low sec is mostly millitia space, setting up 144 drones at a place where it actualy matters have discovered long before your set up is ready, and alarmed everybody except the lone wolf, not to mention you might have a millitia fleet to answer to.
It might work once in a while, though if you do it for the money, I'd try something else. |
Mazare Mircea
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.11.30 11:52:00 -
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Marko box wrote:I encoutered this not long ago and decided to share this with you since its prity damn good way of catching basicly any cloacked ship, even the nullified ones. 1. Abandon lots of t1 drones in a sphere 15km araud the gate. Obviously a drone boat would be perfect for this (or few of them), it might take u 10-15min to set it up but once u do you are set for two hours. Up side of this is that no one will bother trying to shoot down all the drones, unlike with bubles which ppl like to shoot just to **** u off 2. Sit on the gate with instalocking ship (use or imagination on this one) If u feel like it u can garnish this with some bubles but they are not that nesesery tbh. What happens is that once ship jumps in it cannot decloack due to having a good chance of being in proximity of one of the abandoned drones. This tactic can be used in low sec with ease because bubles are not rly nesesarry to catch t3 ships or covert industrials Disclaimer: I DID NOT INVENT THIS. Im just being a nice guy and sharing this with you because it seems like the moust effective way to camp a gate i encountered so far (and this is coming from a guy who jumps into few gate camps a day). Also dont go bonkers on the abandoned drones because ccp might decided that u are causaing lag if some1 pettitiones it. HF camping o7
It's an exploit, it's not about causing lag. |
Marko box
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
3
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Posted - 2011.12.01 16:18:00 -
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Mazare Mircea wrote:
It's an exploit, it's not about causing lag.
I petitioned it and gm said its not an exploit unless its causing lag so vov |
Dray
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
5
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Posted - 2011.12.01 17:14:00 -
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Marko box wrote:Mazare Mircea wrote:
It's an exploit, it's not about causing lag.
I petitioned it and gm said its not an exploit unless its causing lag so vov
Actually it's down to the GM as are most things you petition in this game unless the criteria is in black and white.
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Marko box
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
3
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Posted - 2011.12.01 20:30:00 -
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So can we get a response from a gm about this then, so its clear once and for all.
Im such an optimist mods dont read this |
Tamiya Sarossa
Hedion University Amarr Empire
109
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Posted - 2011.12.01 21:30:00 -
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Consensus from the petitions I've seen is that placing objects to decloak is not an exploit, placing enough objects to lag clients as they jump in is. As with most things GM related, there's no set limit on how much you can abandon and it's a judgement call on the GM's part so results will vary depending on what GM you get in touch with.
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