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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.06.29 09:57:00 -
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polly papercut wrote:with the small sample group
we can completely disregard your poll. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
885
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Posted - 2014.06.29 11:08:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:polly papercut wrote:with the small sample group we can completely disregard your poll.
Statistically any poll that is voluntary rather than using a preselected balanced sample should be disregarded ot regarded with scepticism.
Common sense says those people upset about Plex will jump at the chance to vote in that poll whereas the people happily Plexing away will tend to not even read it neverlone vote.
Its not only too small a sample it's also a biased sample. |
Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance
519
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Posted - 2014.06.29 11:22:00 -
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It is obvious that it is in CCP's interest to have very high PLEX prices.
Because people buying them for real money are more likely to do so (to then sell on the market) if the amount of ISK they can return for their real money is higher.
More PLEX sales means more money for CCP.
The only time CCP would intervene would be when large numbers of us "playing for free" people are forced to stop playing, which arguably is starting to happen considering all the PLEX price whine threads lately.
My guess is rather than HELP the playing for free crowd, they'd be more likely to attack the investor crowd first by putting a 30 day expiry on the PLEX after purchase or something to stop ISK rich people stockpiling them. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2014.06.29 12:07:00 -
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Arcelian wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Arcelian wrote:polly papercut wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:I cant wait until Plex prices hit a billion.. the tears will be stunning Yup all the tears from all the people complaining that there is hardly any players left to pvp. Followed by all the complaints about how null sec and low sec are dead and empty will be so great. See for me I will just have more time to work on rl things than computer things. So I will not be here to see all the tears but you can bet your ass they will not come from the people quitting. My god, are the majority of eve players in poverty? Can't afford that $15 sub? I had no idea that was such a colossal amount of money. I am currently living in a country where $600 is a NICE monthly wage. GǪ. So... CCP should lower plex prices and cut into their profits because of the poor countries so individuals that make little income can play? Sorry, but that is a small minority of the eve player base, and not a reason to lower plex prices from a business stand point.
No, you missed the point. All that needs to happen is for the folks living in the USA to stop calling people "poor" just because they can't afford (or don't want to afford) $15 a month to play a game that they can invest a little time in to play for free. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
926
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Posted - 2014.06.29 13:59:00 -
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TharOkha wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Meh, 1 half hour of work and it pays for my account. 1 day of work out of the 25 or so I work in a month lets me be filthy rich selling PLEX to no lifes who can't be assed to go out and get a job and would rather complain that it takes them 6-8 hours to grind out isk for a plex instead of working for an hour and just paying for the game.
Thanks for your ISK losers, get a job ya bums. here you go you ignorant ***meh***.
Then don't play video games if you can't afford too.
Option A) Suck it up and realize plex demand has driven the cost up, meaning you need to put in more effort to play for "free"
Option B) Pay for the account in a normal manner with cash, or credit.
Stop being an entitled little **** and expecting that the environment change to include you. You adapt to the environment, just like in the real world. If you don't adapt you get left behind, just like the real world.
Whether you make $600 a month, or $2000 a month, the onus is on you to budget yourself accordingly, not on CCP, not on this community, and not on "ignorant" people like me.
If you can't afford it, you can't afford it....welcome to life and more often than not it isn't fair. |
Arcelian
Metentis
32
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Posted - 2014.06.29 14:15:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote: No, you missed the point. All that needs to happen is for the folks living in the USA to stop calling people "poor" just because they can't afford (or don't want to afford) $15 a month to play a game that they can invest a little time in to play for free.
I missed the point... what point are you trying to make? People complain plex is too expensive, I say it's perfectly fine, and you don't like that I say that. Pretty clear to me.
If you can't afford $15 a month, yeah you are poor. That's 50 cents a day. Barely enough to feed a starving child in Africa, or so that's what the infomercials on TV say.
It's a giant crock of poo to say that plex prices are going to be preventing a lot of people from playing. The poor non westerners or what have you that can't afford a sub are not the ones losing out on this. It's the vocal, minority bitter-vets that are up in arms about it. And what's funny is they are probably the ones causing the prices to rise in the first place.
It's like some of you don't remember that PLEX is a relatively new thing, eve did just fine without it for many years. If PLEX didn't exist anymore tomorrow, eve wouldn't die because of it... |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6923
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Posted - 2014.06.29 14:36:00 -
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TharOkha wrote: Dude im not complaining about my monthly salary. (read the link i posted).. Im just tired of those "elitists" that moaning "get a job" while they cannot see behind their national border, how the rest of the world lives and what average monthly salary is "out there"..
My monthly ingame isk icome is waaaaay over PLEX price and my ingame needs, thats why i PLEX my account rather than pay 21 EUR for it. For 21 EUR i can buy food for a 5-6 days.
You're looking at it the wrong way. I has nothing to do with what country you live in, and people aren't being "elitist" for telling people to not play a video game if they can't afford it. I personally think the sense of 'entitlement' coming from some who use plex is irratating, CCP doesn't owe anyone cheap plex to play their game. CCP is a western for profit company, pay their price for their service or don't.
That being said, the 'get a job' crowd is stupid. They tend to be pvp only types who thinks that everything else is 'unfun'. I pay with pex because I LIKE PVE/doing things that make is and I'd much rather spend 5 or 6 hours a month killing rats in a video game while sitting in my chair in front of my computer drunk and on comms.
For me the alternative is to put on my uniform , equipment and weapons for an extra 30 minutes a month to go deal with criminals. I like EVE but damn if I'm risking my life for it if I can achile the same goal while butt ass naked at home. It's fine if the 'get a job' crowd wants to do that because they work at a nice safe job like Kinkos or McDonalds, but alas some of us like the video game we're playing and would prefer to do that instead. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6923
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Posted - 2014.06.29 14:38:00 -
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Arcelian wrote:Mara Rinn wrote: No, you missed the point. All that needs to happen is for the folks living in the USA to stop calling people "poor" just because they can't afford (or don't want to afford) $15 a month to play a game that they can invest a little time in to play for free.
I missed the point... what point are you trying to make? People complain plex is too expensive, I say it's perfectly fine, and you don't like that I say that. Pretty clear to me. If you can't afford $15 a month, yeah you are poor. That's 50 cents a day. Barely enough to feed a starving child in Africa, or so that's what the infomercials on TV say.It's a giant crock of poo to say that plex prices are going to be preventing a lot of people from playing. The poor non westerners or what have you that can't afford a sub are not the ones losing out on this. It's the vocal, minority bitter-vets that are up in arms about it. And what's funny is they are probably the ones causing the prices to rise in the first place. It's like some of you don't remember that PLEX is a relatively new thing, eve did just fine without it for many years. If PLEX didn't exist anymore tomorrow, eve wouldn't die because of it...
LMAO, AAs I read that i totally heard a white woman in my mind singing about being in the arms of some angels.
"50 cents a day is all that is needed to help Goons. Won't you help a child in Deklien today?"
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Arcelian
Metentis
32
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Posted - 2014.06.29 15:08:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:TharOkha wrote: Dude im not complaining about my monthly salary. (read the link i posted).. Im just tired of those "elitists" that moaning "get a job" while they cannot see behind their national border, how the rest of the world lives and what average monthly salary is "out there"..
My monthly ingame isk icome is waaaaay over PLEX price and my ingame needs, thats why i PLEX my account rather than pay 21 EUR for it. For 21 EUR i can buy food for a 5-6 days.
You're looking at it the wrong way. I has nothing to do with what country you live in, and people aren't being "elitist" for telling people to not play a video game if they can't afford it. I personally think the sense of 'entitlement' coming from some who use plex is irratating, CCP doesn't owe anyone cheap plex to play their game. CCP is a western for profit company, pay their price for their service or don't. That being said, the 'get a job' crowd is stupid. They tend to be pvp only types who thinks that everything else is 'unfun'. I pay with pex because I LIKE PVE/doing things that make is and I'd much rather spend 5 or 6 hours a month killing rats in a video game while sitting in my chair in front of my computer drunk and on comms. For me the alternative is to put on my uniform , equipment and weapons for an extra 30 minutes a month to go deal with criminals. I like EVE but damn if I'm risking my life for it if I can achile the same goal while butt ass naked at home. It's fine if the 'get a job' crowd wants to do that because they work at a nice safe job like Kinkos or McDonalds, but alas some of us like the video game we're playing and would prefer to do that instead.
You aren't the only one with a dangerous profession, but it's NORMAL to have a job to pay for entertainment. I don't go to the movies and work the snack bar for a couple of hours so I can get a ticket.... I have a job to pay for the necessities and the extravagances (which my job also includes a uniform, and guns).
And I feel like this belongs here.
Here you go. |
Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1939
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Posted - 2014.06.29 15:56:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
You're looking at it the wrong way. I has nothing to do with what country you live in, and people aren't being "elitist" for telling people to not play a video game if they can't afford it. I personally think the sense of 'entitlement' coming from some who use plex is irratating, CCP doesn't owe anyone cheap plex to play their game. CCP is a western for profit company, pay their price for their service or don't.
That being said, the 'get a job' crowd is stupid. They tend to be pvp only types who thinks that everything else is 'unfun'. I pay with pex because I LIKE PVE/doing things that make is and I'd much rather spend 5 or 6 hours a month killing rats in a video game while sitting in my chair in front of my computer drunk and on comms.
For me the alternative is to put on my uniform , equipment and weapons for an extra 30 minutes a month to go deal with criminals. I like EVE but damn if I'm risking my life for it if I can achile the same goal while butt ass naked at home. It's fine if the 'get a job' crowd wants to do that because they work at a nice safe job like Kinkos or McDonalds, but alas some of us like the video game we're playing and would prefer to do that instead.
Sorry Jenn, but the only thing I pulled out of your post was the "Butt ass naked" bit.
Could you please maybe snap a few pix of that? Perhaps wearing the Sam Brown and the hat please.
This is very relevant to my interests and studies. This thread officially has 25% more pssssssshhh than leading competitors. The chupacabra does not deliver presents on Cinco De Mayo. President Obama does not want to take away T-shirt guns. Most women have only two breasts. The Memphis Grizzlies are not a gay blues band. |
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Matilda Cecilia Fock
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
195
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Posted - 2014.06.29 16:10:00 -
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Just another take on the issue (my 2 cents):
- Active players have gone down by 20% - Very likely active subscriptions have gone down by 20% - PLEX trade has gone down by 10% - PLEX price has gone up by 40%
So, PLEX demand should have gone down by 20% (as the ultimate purpose of a PLEX is to pay an account). But it only has gone down 10%, and price has gone up by 40%.
The standard explanation is speculation and stockpiling: PLEX are being traded at a faster pace and prices are being driven up by the expectation of profits, rather than the need to pay accounts.
But I want to ask: what about supply? What if people unsubbing were net PLEX suppliers rather than PLEX consumers/speculators? Q: So many well known dev's left lately, should we be worried? A: (Jester): Nope. (...) Worry a lot if Fozzie, Masterplan, Rise, Veritas, Bettik, Ytterbium, Scarpia, Arrow, or even Greyscale leaves. Worry a little if Punkturis, karkur, SoniClover, Affinity, Goliath, or Xhagen leaves.
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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
237
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Posted - 2014.06.29 16:48:00 -
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Arcelian wrote: That's 50 cents a day. Barely enough to feed a starving child in Africa, or so that's what the infomercials on TV say.
You mean barely enough to buy every African child a bible, and build a church in every town.
But yeah, the PLEX is too damn high! I wish CCP would at least disconnect PLEX from AUR and the NES and other services. It seems they plan to go the opposite direction though, and retire PLEX and move to an AUR-only system.
Hmm. Maybe I'll actually start paying for my sub again, and play the game without alts. Woah. That would be really weird.
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Poo Sugar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.06.29 17:22:00 -
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I wanted to post in this new and refreshing thread. |
polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
78
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Posted - 2014.06.29 17:40:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Dave Stark wrote:polly papercut wrote:with the small sample group we can completely disregard your poll. Statistically any poll that is voluntary rather than using a preselected balanced sample should be disregarded ot regarded with scepticism. Common sense says those people upset about Plex will jump at the chance to vote in that poll whereas the people happily Plexing away will tend to not even read it neverlone vote. Its not only too small a sample it's also a biased sample. Actually the amount of people who are happy with plex prices are completely irrelevant to the purpose of the poll. The purpose of the poll was just to get a sample head count of how many people have canceled accounts because on plex prices.
This was not a are you satisfied with the plex prices poll. I could have left out the answer about not canceling any any still achieved the desired results.
And seeing that we have a fair number of canceled accounts over a small sample size it if safe to assume that there are a large number of canceled accounts due to the price of plex.
The fact that the sample size is smaller than the amount of canceled accounts highly suggest that. If anything my own poll is working against me as I can not reach the people who have canceled there only account or all of there accounts. .
So if this was a satisfactory poll you would have a point about the small sample size but as the purpose of the poll is trying to tally the amount of canceled accounthe the small sample size works in my favor.
The reason for that is one we know we didn't reach every person who has canceled an account. We need to factor in the people who don't come to the forum and the people who have out right quit eve with one or more accounts.
There for the poll iso 100% relevant.
I wasn't going to bother posting back as the forums are typically a place for the eve lifers and fan boys hence an other reason the poll works against me. But I caught a rerun of to catch a predator last night, and they were talking about how many pedophiles they caught out in this little back water town. I thought to my self man if they caught that many pedophilestudents in such a small area (small sample size) just think of how many pedophiles there really must be.
Same applies here small sample size large number of accounts for the size. Just think how many more canceled accounts we don't know about. .
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22672
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Posted - 2014.06.29 17:50:00 -
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polly papercut wrote:The reason for that is one we know we didn't reach every person who has canceled an account. We need to factor in the people who don't come to the forum and the people who have out right quit eve with one or more accounts.
There for the poll iso 100% relevant. No, it is still 100% irrelevant because you're still only dealing with a self-selecting biased sample. Your sample size is insignificant and your sample selection process is thoroughly flawed. Therefore, the poll gives an absolute number that tells us nothing of any interest.
Quote:I thought to my self man if they caught that many pedophilestudents in such a small area (small sample size) just think of how many pedophiles there really must be.
Same applies here small sample size large number of accounts for the size. Just think how many more canceled accounts we don't know about. .
*drops the mic You should probably not try to handle microphones if your hands are that slippery. You're quite correct, though, but in the exact opposite of what you're hoping for: the small and biased sample of a back-water town is indeed a thoroughly invalid source for any kind of conclusion about the general population GÇö same as for the minute-n self-selecting poll. Your conclusion is just as wrong about it as about the poll in question and for the exact same reasons.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Plug in Baby
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
225
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Posted - 2014.06.29 18:03:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Plug in Baby wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I'm one of those people that buys PLEX from CCP and sells it in-game, and manipulates the market whenever possible to keep prices high so I can make a lot of isk.. So let me get this straight, you are introducing PLEX to the game and somehow you have convinced yourself that you are increasing PLEX prices. No, you haven't been trolled
Oh dear I'm sure your method for breaking the fundamentals of economics is great, even if your posting suggests you don't quite understand high school statistics. This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main. |
polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
78
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Posted - 2014.06.29 18:04:00 -
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Tippia wrote:No, it is still 100% irrelevant because you're still only dealing with a self-selecting biased sample. Your sample size is insignificant and your sample selection process is thoroughly flawed. Therefore, the poll gives an absolute number that tells us nothing of any interest. sorry but your wrong. When the purpose of the poll is solely to try to get a tally of canceled accounts due to plex prices it doesn't need to be unbiased at all. But again I'm talking to an eve lifer so carry on. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6197
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Posted - 2014.06.29 18:06:00 -
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Pretty interesting discussion here... ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2322
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Posted - 2014.06.29 18:07:00 -
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I took your pole and I lied...what dose that mean for your numbers eh? "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22675
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Posted - 2014.06.29 18:19:00 -
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polly papercut wrote:sorry but your wrong. Not really, no.
Quote:When the purpose of the poll is solely to try to get a tally of canceled accounts due to plex prices it doesn't need to be unbiased at all. If that's all it's supposed to do, then it is if anything even more meaningless since it you can't even relate that number to anything relevant. It fails to provide a useful tally since it simply doesn't tally the people who cancel their accounts GÇö just a (insignificantly minute) number of them who just so happen to discover and answer the poll.
Your poll still needs to be unbiased in order to actually do what it's supposed to do, otherwise it's just a random number generator.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Drunk 'n' Disorderly
1252
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Posted - 2014.06.29 18:19:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Pretty interesting discussion here... How large is the stockpile of plex currently held back from the pool by Gsf economic war divisions? Buy orders not high enough yet? (Sorry I had to introduce some conspiracy flavour to this thread) TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
78
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Posted - 2014.06.29 18:26:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:I took your pole and I lied...what dose that mean for your numbers eh? Means **** all except maybe you should get out of the house more. The result are still relevant. Even if only 50% of the information is correct. We can still safely assume there is a much larger number of canceled accounts not accounted for..
I know you people think eve is some self sustainable game. And that ccp doesn't need subscriptions to stay in business but I am here to tell you that your wrong.
Everyone here who cares about eve should care about subscription numbers. But your all to thick skulled to realize that. See your knowledge of EVE does nothing to help you with you understanding of business.
You can have 22k likes on the forum *cough. And that makes you no more qualified to assume canceled subscriptions don't have a negative impact on ccp.
We can clearly see there is an issue we know there is a decline is active users online. We know that ccp has laid off people in the hundreds. And even though you think you might know something about business because you run a corporation in eve lol. None of that applies to the real world. There is only one reason why a company lays off over 100 people. But I'm not going to tell you why, you'll have to figure that out on your own. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
22675
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Posted - 2014.06.29 18:33:00 -
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polly papercut wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:I took your pole and I lied...what dose that mean for your numbers eh? Means **** all except maybe you should get out of the house more. The result are still relevant. Even if only 50% of the information is correct. We can still safely assume there is a much larger number of canceled accounts not accounted for. GǪbut the assumption is meaningless because we have no way of telling how much larger it is (or, indeed, if it is larger at all).
So yes, his lying on the poll means a hell of a lot, especially when your sample size is so insignificantly small. Your already huge margin of error has now increased by a lot. The purpose of GÇ£keeping a tallyGÇ¥ is shot all to hell since it's not keeping a proper tally.
You can drag out as many ad hominmen or strawman fallacies you like, but they won't change how statistics, generalisation, or polling methodology works. Your poll might tell you exactly one (meaningless) thing, but what Ralph has done means that it doesn't even do that. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Arcelian
Metentis
37
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Posted - 2014.06.29 18:38:00 -
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Tippia the way your eyes are looking up it seems you are staring at pollys rack. Just sayin.
On another note, arguing with Tippia usually means you're wrong. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
2323
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Posted - 2014.06.29 18:39:00 -
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Or did I mwahahahahh!
(Actually I probably should get out more) "Confirming EVE is hot, batshit crazy, and puts out." -Omar Alharazaad "CAKE CANNOT HOLD UP TO BEING A CHARACTER DAMNIT." --áUnsuccessful At Everything |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5442
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Posted - 2014.06.29 18:42:00 -
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Arcelian wrote:Tippia the way your eyes are looking up it seems you are staring at pollys rack. Just sayin.
On another note, arguing with Tippia usually means you're wrong.
No, it means: "you are not a professional sophist".
Being extremely skilled at winning arguments does not mean being right, it just means being extremely skilled at rethorics.
BUT in this specific case, Tippia is right on all the line, so the two concepts (winning arguments and actually being right) overlap. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
6924
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Posted - 2014.06.29 18:48:00 -
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Arcelian wrote:
You aren't the only one with a dangerous profession, but it's NORMAL to have a job to pay for entertainment. I don't go to the movies and work the snack bar for a couple of hours so I can get a ticket.... I have a job to pay for the necessities and the extravagances (which my job also includes a uniform, and guns).
No one said it wasn't normal, but EVE Online offers an alternative (PLEX), one that's foolish to ignore if you actually like doing the activites needed to let you play for 'free'.
My point is that the 'get a job' people are foolish, if you don't have a job and are hungry, you probably shouldn't be playing a game. What I find irritating is the people saying 'just work overtime and pay for the game' OT for me is not the same as OT for the above mentioned burger flippers.
CCP doesn't owe me or anyone the option to use plex, but as log as they do I'll use the hell out of it.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
5898
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Posted - 2014.06.29 18:58:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Being extremely skilled at winning arguments does not mean being right, it just means being extremely skilled at rethorics.
Do you mean Rhetorics? ( The art or study of using language effectively and persuasively.)
Because that isn't what Tippia does, infact diplomacy is not one of her strong points.
Being factually accurate is, however. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
5443
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Posted - 2014.06.29 19:35:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Being extremely skilled at winning arguments does not mean being right, it just means being extremely skilled at rethorics.
Do you mean Rhetorics? ( The art or study of using language effectively and persuasively.) Because that isn't what Tippia does, infact diplomacy is not one of her strong points. Being factually accurate is, however.
You omitted the first sentence (sophist), it might picture the methodology used better.
Also, being nice is not necessarily part of rhetoric: there are Roman Empire (if not older) examples of long talks against somebody (by Cicero, a most famous rhetorician) and those were not diplomatic at all. What they did do, was often to use the "captatio benevolentiae" but that was a means to an end and was not tied in a causation relationship with the possible harshness of the talk. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2014.06.29 19:45:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Also, being nice is not necessarily part of rhetoric
Diplomacy is not a synonym of nice. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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