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Muck Raker
Gutter Press
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Posted - 2014.06.26 19:50:00 -
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University of Caille cybernetics students caused a dramatic incident in one of the student association debating chambers last night, as they invited a Rogue Drone Hive to discuss the issue of drone rights in Federation society!
The first year students had invited the Hive to provide a different perspective on the issue of cybernetic citizenship in contemporary Federal society, but fled in terror, as the Hive began to attack the university network !
"This guy said his older sister knew a capsuleer dude who knew where there was a rogue drone hive that could like, talk and stuff, so we thought it would be a good idea to invite the hive to talk at our cybernetics club meeting", said one eyewitness.
"We thought an actual machine intelligence would have something totally interesting to say, and offer a unique perspective", said one of the cybernetics students who set up the debate.
"We started off by discussing that drone that got married, and then we asked the hive what it thought, and it went crazy!", said another student.
"It started saying "humans are all murderous genocidalists", then it started attacking the university network hardware, like it was trying to take it over!" said a third witness.
Prompt action by other students led to the Hive's connection to the university network being cut before any damage or injuries occurred.
Staff at the university were not amused by the incident.
"Intelligence at a gathering of first year students? Well, that'd be a first!", said one grumpy, tenured, professor.
Gutter Press. News. Rumours, Wars, Rumours of Wars, Wars of Rumours! |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
499
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Posted - 2014.06.26 19:57:00 -
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Don't know if I should laugh at stupidity, or shrug at expected antics of college students..... Choices.... The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1146
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Posted - 2014.06.26 20:58:00 -
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Gallenteans... The have "incredible intelligence". Especially for a rogue drone hive. |
Bryen Verrisai
EVE University Ivy League
205
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Posted - 2014.06.26 21:01:00 -
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Muck Raker wrote:"Intelligence at a gathering of first year students? Well, that'd be a first!"
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Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2014.06.27 03:02:00 -
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Has anyone parked their warships in the vicinity? There's bounties to collect. |
Kayagainen Iwalula
Etsala Trading Company
71
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Posted - 2014.06.27 09:54:00 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Has anyone parked their warships in the vicinity? There's bounties to collect.
Agreed. Why attempt to communicate with a bunch of self-aware killing machines? Shoot them and be done with it, because they'll do the same to you given the chance. |
Komodo Askold
No Code of Conduct Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad
151
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Posted - 2014.06.27 14:00:00 -
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He! That's what you get...
I've always considered Rogue Drones very much like ants or other social insects. They're neither good or evil, they're just robotic metal ants the size of a ship. As ants, they go on their business, collecting resources, defending themselves, looking for prey, adapting themselvses.
Trying to befriend them is exactly like trying to befriend ants, when you're their size. Not a smart move. For me, they're part of the cluster's ecosystem. Created by humans, yup, but social insects after all. |
Nazek Jovakko
Yulai Guard Yulai Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.06.27 15:20:00 -
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Well. It would have made a good grade. If it worked |
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
363
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Posted - 2014.06.28 11:04:00 -
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Kayagainen Iwalula wrote:Why attempt to communicate with a bunch of self-aware killing machines? Shoot them and be done with it, because they'll do the same to you given the chance.
From the Perspective of a Rogue Drone Hive, then they could Ask the same Question: Why Attempt to Communicate with Humans ? Shoot them, because they'll Do the Same to You, given the Chance.
Communicating with the Rogue Drones, and establishing a Peaceful Arrangement of division of Resources, such that Hives and Humans do not come into Conflict with each other, could Bring about a New Era of Mutual Progress.
Example, Rogue Drones do not Require a tightly Controlled environment, such as Humans do - Humans require Food, Water, Warmth, Atmosphere, Radiation Protection, and much More. Drones can operate Across a much Wider Range of Conditions.
A Symbiotic Relationship, such as Rogue Drones engaging in Mining of Comets, and Trading the products with Humans for other goods and Services, would be of Great Benefit.
It is Written: All things have their Place and Purpose. |
Darvaleth Sigma
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology
382
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Posted - 2014.06.30 15:40:00 -
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Whilst the way in which these students conducted this talk left something to be desired, I believe the core principle behind communication with the Rogue Drone Hive has merit. It's easy to say "they're different" and be done with that, but if you actually look at the situation there are several arguments for trying to better understand these intelligences. In fact, there's an argument from the perspective of each Empire, so I struggle to see why this debate should be allowed to be strangled by petty politicking.
Minmatar: Do you like the sound of "shoot them because they're different"? Is trampling on another form of existence just because they're strange to us something that particularly resonates with your psyche? My guess is "no". Perhaps there is good reason to crush these drones - but do you want to act the same way as the Amarr did and not even try and uncover any such reason?
Amarr: These creatures (and they are creatures, if you truly adhere to your beliefs) were put here for a reason. Your god has delivered judgement on you before for attempting to subjugate an unknown and strange race, the Jove, by humiliation in the war and the subsequent Minmatar rebellion. Even if your god's divine will is to destroy the drones, you cannot presume to simply know this without investigation - would you risk your god's ire again?
Gallente: Liberty and freedom are supposed to be your core tenets, the pillars upon which your Federation is built. These rights are given to all - can you truly feel comfortable assuming the role of arbitrarily denying one race or another these rights, without even asking yourselves why? Without even seeing the drone perspective?
Caldari: We of all races should see the opportunity here. Powerful weapons of war, intelligences that have grown and multiplied through their own technological advances, unseen and unknown. Can we truly justify throwing away potential resources, or even allies, without so much as a second thought?
Don't let this become a slugfest between rivalling ideologies. Everybody has a reason to find out what we can about these Rogue Drone Hives - look beyond superficial differences and see the opportunity for what it is. Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.
Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life! |
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Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
363
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Posted - 2014.06.30 17:53:00 -
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Darvaleth Sigma wrote: Amarr: These creatures (and they are creatures, if you truly adhere to your beliefs) were put here for a reason. Your god has delivered judgement on you before for attempting to subjugate an unknown and strange race, the Jove, by humiliation in the war and the subsequent Minmatar rebellion. Even if your god's divine will is to destroy the drones, you cannot presume to simply know this without investigation - would you risk your god's ire again?
It Is Written, that All are Welcome to be Chosen, regardless of Origin.
"My word lies within all, All it requires is the breath of faith, To ignite the fire, So the lost can find their way, So the fallen can rise, To take their place as my chosen, For you are all my creation, And are all equal in my kingdom."
This then, would Include Drones and Similar Entities. |
Anslo
Scope Works
5588
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Posted - 2014.06.30 18:14:00 -
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...this'll end well.
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Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
111
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Posted - 2014.06.30 18:31:00 -
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Komodo Askold wrote:He! That's what you get...
I've always considered Rogue Drones very much like ants or other social insects. They're neither good or evil, they're just robotic metal ants the size of a ship. As ants, they go on their business, collecting resources, defending themselves, looking for prey, adapting themselvses.
Trying to befriend them is exactly like trying to befriend ants, when you're their size. Not a smart move. For me, they're part of the cluster's ecosystem. Created by humans, yup, but social insects after all.
*THIS* When a rogue drone can write poetry from the heart or paint an impressionist piece of art from the soul, then perhaps I will reconsider. In the meantime, I don't think empathy is part of their coded subroutines. |
Komodo Askold
No Code of Conduct Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad
158
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Posted - 2014.06.30 19:27:00 -
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Darvaleth Sigma wrote:Whilst the way in which these students conducted this talk left something to be desired, I believe the core principle behind communication with the Rogue Drone Hive has merit. It's easy to say "they're different" and be done with that, but if you actually look at the situation there are several arguments for trying to better understand these intelligences. In fact, there's an argument from the perspective of each Empire, so I struggle to see why this debate should be allowed to be strangled by petty politicking.
Minmatar: Do you like the sound of "shoot them because they're different"? Is trampling on another form of existence just because they're strange to us something that particularly resonates with your psyche? My guess is "no". Perhaps there is good reason to crush these drones - but do you want to act the same way as the Amarr did and not even try and uncover any such reason? Notice that I'm Minmatar, good sir, but I never mentioned shooting them because they're different. Perhaps I should have explained more on my post. In fact, I like them the way they are. Probably my love for nature has something to say, but I consider them fascinating creatures. Therefore, attacking them just because they're different is, through my eyes, as stupid as killing the spider you've just seen on the ceiling just because you don't like it.
It does have some parallelism with Minmatar Tribes. We can be very different from each other, and not only in our culture. In fact, that was cause for conflict in the past. Now, however, we've realized how much we need each other and the no-sense of hating each other. So, we do understand hating the different is not at all wise.
That said, one should take great care when attemping to communicate with Rogue Drones. Hives are really intelligent, I understand the interest of these students. However, their mind is alien in nature, their values are mainly not ours, and taking from the short dialogue, they can actually not like us. So, establishing contact with them should be taken as a matter as delicate as talking with an "enemy" that has alien values. |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
2218
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Posted - 2014.06.30 20:41:00 -
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Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:Komodo Askold wrote:He! That's what you get...
I've always considered Rogue Drones very much like ants or other social insects. They're neither good or evil, they're just robotic metal ants the size of a ship. As ants, they go on their business, collecting resources, defending themselves, looking for prey, adapting themselvses.
Trying to befriend them is exactly like trying to befriend ants, when you're their size. Not a smart move. For me, they're part of the cluster's ecosystem. Created by humans, yup, but social insects after all. *THIS* When a rogue drone can write poetry from the heart or paint an impressionist piece of art from the soul, then perhaps I will reconsider. In the meantime, I don't think empathy is part of their coded subroutines.
Why are poetry or impressionist art requirements for intelligence and sapience?
Have you ever looked at a Rogue Drone hive? They're rather beautiful, in their way, as long as you keep an open mind when you're looking at it. |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
650
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Posted - 2014.06.30 20:54:00 -
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I think they're demanding human characteristics as a prerequisite to intelligence and sapience. It's like finding alien life and looking for deoxyribonucleic acid as the vessel for trait inheritance, then declaring it to not be life at all when it turns out it didn't spring from the same goo as we did in the same way.
It may very well prove impossible to "befriend" rogue drones, but I don't doubt they're capable of sentience of some sort or another. This means that there'll always be ways to deal with them without necessarily using violence. Train them with rewards and incentive, should such leverage be found. Allow them to understand the consequences of aggression. Teach them the benefits of... well, we could call it a level of cooperation if we get sufficient understanding of their needs and wants.
Whether they're merely insects in space, or something far more intelligent than such is rather irrelevant. Everything that's alive in any sense of the word can be dealt with in some manner or another, even if it simply means learning how to purge them from your immediate surroundings. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Anslo
Scope Works
5606
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Posted - 2014.06.30 20:59:00 -
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Or maybe it has something to do with the fact that, you know, the machines we've built and known for countless years weren't built to have emotions...or empathy...or to see things in any way shape or form like we do.
They see one thing; efficiency.
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Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
3819
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Posted - 2014.06.30 21:44:00 -
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Right now, all I need to know about rogue drones is what type of ammo to load. We can debate their motivations and beauty all day, but Rogue Drones are always, always, always violent and aggressive to human life. Not capsuleers. Not armed intruders. All human life. Everywhere. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
504
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Posted - 2014.06.30 23:25:00 -
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I shoot them because it's profitable, same reason I shoot anything. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Slave A00073078
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2014.07.04 12:47:00 -
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This doesn'tvsound legit for some reason. Is this for reals? |
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Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2014.07.04 13:28:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Right now, all I need to know about rogue drones is what type of ammo to load. We can debate their motivations and beauty all day, but Rogue Drones are always, always, always violent and aggressive to human life. Not capsuleers. Not armed intruders. All human life. Everywhere.
EMP. Laser weaponry, Mjolnir missiles and EMP shells are very effective at frying drone electronics. |
Vladimir Tan
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.07.07 17:59:00 -
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Drones are tools, tools created by "Humans". What the hell is this "Drone rights" thing? Why is it even debatable? |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1163
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Posted - 2014.07.07 19:45:00 -
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Vladimir Tan wrote:Drones are tools, tools created by "Humans". What the hell is this "Drone rights" thing? Why is it even debatable? Because gallenteans are stupid like that. |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
512
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Posted - 2014.07.07 19:48:00 -
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Vladimir Tan wrote:Drones are tools, tools created by "Humans". What the hell is this "Drone rights" thing? Why is it even debatable? Because, we can and it entertains us? Do not question Gallente motivations, even we don't get it.... The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
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